Pirelli tyres

Poll: Pirelli tyres

Total Members Polled: 337

F1 tyres shoud be fast and durable: 55%
non-durable tyres inproe the show: 45%
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Eric Mc

121,777 posts

264 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Only in your head.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Eric Mc said:
Only in your head.
well, clearly not as I did not draw that (although I wish I had the skills to have done it!)

Eric Mc

121,777 posts

264 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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On the internet you will always find somebody who agrees with you - eventually.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Eric Mc said:
On the internet you will always find somebody who agrees with you - eventually.
best keep looking then!

Eric Mc

121,777 posts

264 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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If you are advising me to keep looking, there are people right here on PH who share my view. I am not a lone voice you know.

rdjohn

Original Poster:

6,135 posts

194 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Scuffers said:
so we are back to this then:

bow Sort of sums it up perfectly. Though it is perhaps more like 4 Rubik cubes.

rdjohn

Original Poster:

6,135 posts

194 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100328

This is where the future of close racing should be. Capped budgets and enforceable resource restrictions on the numbers of aero devices per annum etc. And some lovely sticky Pirellis.

This is the real issue. Engineers need to be given a sensible annual budget. If not sponsors will leave the sport because of lack of viewing figures on pay-TV and races at accessible venues for their guests.

CVC is the greatest threat to the sport of F1 – they need it to be a cash cow of a business, hopefully they will not be able to float and so sink in the very near future. A bit of grist from the FIA would also help as share ownership has changed significantly since the phony deal between Max and Bernie was done. They should reclaim ownership of the series.

Ahonen

5,015 posts

278 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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rdjohn said:
Ahonen said:
That's a pretty silly thing to say.

Do you think teams, any teams in any form of racing, plan their strategies based on what a driver from a rival team says in a press conference? F1 teams employ people specifically in order to calculate strategies and study the pace and deg of rival teams in order to try to work out what everyone is up to. They simulate all sorts of race scenarios beforehand and attempt to calculate the ultimate race time based on a massive number of variables: and the 'What Lewis said in the press conference two days ago' algorithm is not one I'm personally familiar with.
Part of the strategy is to guess what the opposition will be doing. Miss-information is part of that game.

Presumably you missed Gary Anderson say this was a two-stop race before the race. One was possible from the back 11, starting on the harder compound. I guess that Lewis' comment "Are you sure that they are not one-stopping" was said to reinforce the dummy.

It was a well deserved win but Lewis' Friday times showed who the most likely winner was going to be, as passing is not difficult in Canada, but the serious opposition FA and SV were wrong-footed and lost the possibility of better placings through their poor choice of strategy.
You're right, of course. I've only been a race engineer and strategist for 15 years, so I'm sure you know better than I.

Eric Mc

121,777 posts

264 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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So you pay no attention to what the other teams might do? You just run your own race blindly ignoring other teams' stated intentions?

Ahonen

5,015 posts

278 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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Eric Mc said:
So you pay no attention to what the other teams might do? You just run your own race blindly ignoring other teams' stated intentions?
Of course you plan for other teams. As I said above, you try to work out what they're up to also. But what I was largely getting at was the fact that you don't tend to base your strategy on what a driver says in a press conference - although rdjohn has now brought me up to speed, for which I'm grateful.

Eric Mc

121,777 posts

264 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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I would have thought that you pay attention to all clues that come your way - no matter what the source is. Obviously, you might put more credence on some sources compared to others - but the information is taken on board none the less.

Or am I being ignorant of the inner machinations of top rank racing teams?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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Eric,

do you honestly think that any team is ever going to give away that kind of info if there was any validity to it in either an interview or press conference at a race weekend?

Miss-information is as much a tool as any other... People like Steve are more than used to this, it;s the same in jsut about every level of Motorsport (and other sports too I would suggest)

Eric Mc

121,777 posts

264 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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Bluff and double bluff - it's all part of the game. I wasn't suggesting that they had to believe what other teams say. But they most certainly pay attention to comments other team members make. What they decide to do with that information is up to them.

rdjohn

Original Poster:

6,135 posts

194 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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Ahonen said:
Eric Mc said:
So you pay no attention to what the other teams might do? You just run your own race blindly ignoring other teams' stated intentions?
Of course you plan for other teams. As I said above, you try to work out what they're up to also. But what I was largely getting at was the fact that you don't tend to base your strategy on what a driver says in a press conference - although rdjohn has now brought me up to speed, for which I'm grateful.
Do you not concede that, even with multiples of your years of race experience, and possible better resources, both Alonso's and Vettel's race engineers looked pretty dumb with the outcome of the race on Sunday?

To quote EricM the main "known" about these tyres is that once they hit-the-wall they will be useless if an attacking role is required in the latter part of the race. A two-stop was the only safe option for those starting the race on options. Alonso was presumably lightly fuelled and so could not increase his pace, had he tried to cover Hamilton’s two-stop.

John D.

17,702 posts

208 months

Monday 18th June 2012
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Only got round to watching the Canadian GP on Sat. The limited lifespan of the tyres made for a fascinating race in my book. Watching Alonso slithering around trying to make the end and Perez seemingly able to go so far and quick. Yeah Alonso/Ferrari looked pretty stupid in the end but it could have been a great outflanking of Hamilton - certainly had the team going for a while!

Great stuff.

rdjohn

Original Poster:

6,135 posts

194 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101883

Ross Brawn wants less randomness in the second half of the season and equates the first half to going fishing.

zac510

5,546 posts

205 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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You are definitely not random.. I saw that article on Autosport and thought 'I bet there's a post about this from rdjohn in GM' and there it was biggrin

SRT77

676 posts

217 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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rdjohn said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101883

Ross Brawn wants less randomness in the second half of the season and equates the first half to going fishing.
I expect Schuey would like that too. Will my Merc breakdown or will it actually finish a race.