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Red Bull declared illegal.....

Red Bull declared illegal.....

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trackdemon

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10,018 posts

186 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Not seen story on Beeb or Planet F1 yet, guess they're waiting to confirm authenticity....

http://thef1times.com/news/display/06144

GadgeS3C

3,965 posts

89 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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According to http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2012/869/96... none of the teams mentioned actually protested the issue.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

187 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Like W.T.F!

Gold

1,997 posts

130 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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I don't want to bring out the tin-foil hats too much but if McLaren had won a race with an illegal car what would the punishment be?


Crafty_

11,332 posts

125 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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The car was deemed legal at the time of the last race.

The teams did not protest the car during the allotted time period following the race (2 hours I believe), however they did seek clarification on the floor from the FIA.

FIA have now deemed the floor illegal from this point onward, all previous results stand.

FIA have a history of this (renault mass damper and ferrari barge boards for example).

Just means that RB have to get the jigsaw out and cut the hole out to meet the edge of the floor, then it matches the Sauber/Ferrari floor which AFAIK is still deemed legal at this time.

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trackdemon

Original Poster:

10,018 posts

186 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Story not running anywhere else, I'm going to call BS on it....

RYH64E

7,960 posts

169 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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trackdemon said:
Story not running anywhere else, I'm going to call BS on it....
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/7791932/-FIA-Declare-Red-Bull-RB8-s-Floor-Illegal-

Gaz.

51,856 posts

176 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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trackdemon said:
Story not running anywhere else, I'm going to call BS on it....
The F1technical boys didn't even question the authenticity of the story:

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1...

MissChief

4,446 posts

93 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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And so it should. Foul tasting over priced rubbish that has vague 'anti-establishment' tones. Oh wait.....

Gaz.

51,856 posts

176 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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MissChief said:
And so it should. Foul tasting over priced rubbish that has vague 'anti-establishment' tones. Oh wait.....
Mixes well with two shots of vodka though... paperbag

Jasper3.0

318 posts

125 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18310767

It's on the BBC now, so it 'must be true'.

DynoDad

24 posts

69 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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I'd guess that a deal was done at Monaco along the lines of "if you don't protest & arse up the race results (always embarrassing when that happens) we'll ban it for Canada" which was why none of the teams actually protested last week. A sensible way to handle it? Or a stitch up that's more about F1's reputation (i.e. the sponsors) than the sport?

Life Saab Itch

37,067 posts

113 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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It was an agreement between the teams that they would not protest the result, but would ask the FIA to look into it after the required period had elapsed to protest the result.

Alfanatic

7,343 posts

144 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Gold said:
I don't want to bring out the tin-foil hats too much but if McLaren had won a race with an illegal car what would the punishment be?
Mosley has gone so I wouldn't expect special treatment for McLaren anymore.

trackdemon

Original Poster:

10,018 posts

186 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Well, well, well: I guess I was a bit too hasty & the F1times boys were ahead of the game. I can't help be curious about the FIA & other teams response though: essentially, we've got a statement declaring that RB won with an illegal car in the last race - which surely should invalidate the race results????

I really like Webber & it would be shame to lose the race win, but that's what should happen: if the car is deemed illegal, its illegal. End of story. Result cannot stand. At the risk of sounding sensationalist I wonder what the outcome would be had it been Hamilton/McLaren in the Mosely era....

williamp

15,749 posts

198 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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trackdemon said:
Well, well, well: I guess I was a bit too hasty & the F1times boys were ahead of the game. I can't help be curious about the FIA & other teams response though: essentially, we've got a statement declaring that RB won with an illegal car in the last race - which surely should invalidate the race results????

I really like Webber & it would be shame to lose the race win, but that's what should happen: if the car is deemed illegal, its illegal. End of story. Result cannot stand. At the risk of sounding sensationalist I wonder what the outcome would be had it been Hamilton/McLaren in the Mosely era....
Yes but cars have won with illegal cars whose results have stood: Kimi Ferrari in Australia, for example. Its floor was deemed illegal, yet the results stayed. I cannot think of any incident of results being declared void if the car is judged to be illegal after the event.

RYH64E

7,960 posts

169 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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trackdemon said:
Well, well, well: I guess I was a bit too hasty & the F1times boys were ahead of the game. I can't help be curious about the FIA & other teams response though: essentially, we've got a statement declaring that RB won with an illegal car in the last race - which surely should invalidate the race results????

I really like Webber & it would be shame to lose the race win, but that's what should happen: if the car is deemed illegal, its illegal. End of story. Result cannot stand. At the risk of sounding sensationalist I wonder what the outcome would be had it been Hamilton/McLaren in the Mosely era....
Have you read any of the previous posts?

HustleRussell

13,500 posts

85 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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They 'got away with it'- for a car to be excluded from the results, it must be illegal but also it must be disputed within the allotted timeframe after the race.

Life Saab Itch

37,067 posts

113 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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williamp said:
Yes but cars have won with illegal cars whose results have stood: Kimi Ferrari in Australia, for example. Its floor was deemed illegal, yet the results stayed. I cannot think of any incident of results being declared void if the car is judged to be illegal after the event.
Brazil '81 iirc.

Wasn't Piquet disqualified from the win and someone else from second place (reuteman?)
Possibly for the "water cooled brakes".

williamp

15,749 posts

198 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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as alwats LSI I bow to your superior knowledge!!