Red Bull declared illegal.....

Red Bull declared illegal.....

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trackdemon

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12,149 posts

260 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Not seen story on Beeb or Planet F1 yet, guess they're waiting to confirm authenticity....

http://thef1times.com/news/display/06144

GadgeS3C

4,516 posts

163 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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According to http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2012/869/96... none of the teams mentioned actually protested the issue.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Like W.T.F!

Gold

1,998 posts

204 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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I don't want to bring out the tin-foil hats too much but if McLaren had won a race with an illegal car what would the punishment be?


Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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The car was deemed legal at the time of the last race.

The teams did not protest the car during the allotted time period following the race (2 hours I believe), however they did seek clarification on the floor from the FIA.

FIA have now deemed the floor illegal from this point onward, all previous results stand.

FIA have a history of this (renault mass damper and ferrari barge boards for example).

Just means that RB have to get the jigsaw out and cut the hole out to meet the edge of the floor, then it matches the Sauber/Ferrari floor which AFAIK is still deemed legal at this time.

trackdemon

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260 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Story not running anywhere else, I'm going to call BS on it....

RYH64E

7,960 posts

243 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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trackdemon said:
Story not running anywhere else, I'm going to call BS on it....
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/7791932/-FIA-Declare-Red-Bull-RB8-s-Floor-Illegal-

MissChief

7,095 posts

167 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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And so it should. Foul tasting over priced rubbish that has vague 'anti-establishment' tones. Oh wait.....

Jasper3.0

652 posts

199 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18310767

It's on the BBC now, so it 'must be true'.

DynoDad

32 posts

143 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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I'd guess that a deal was done at Monaco along the lines of "if you don't protest & arse up the race results (always embarrassing when that happens) we'll ban it for Canada" which was why none of the teams actually protested last week. A sensible way to handle it? Or a stitch up that's more about F1's reputation (i.e. the sponsors) than the sport?

Life Saab Itch

37,068 posts

187 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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It was an agreement between the teams that they would not protest the result, but would ask the FIA to look into it after the required period had elapsed to protest the result.

Alfanatic

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218 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Gold said:
I don't want to bring out the tin-foil hats too much but if McLaren had won a race with an illegal car what would the punishment be?
Mosley has gone so I wouldn't expect special treatment for McLaren anymore.

trackdemon

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260 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Well, well, well: I guess I was a bit too hasty & the F1times boys were ahead of the game. I can't help be curious about the FIA & other teams response though: essentially, we've got a statement declaring that RB won with an illegal car in the last race - which surely should invalidate the race results????

I really like Webber & it would be shame to lose the race win, but that's what should happen: if the car is deemed illegal, its illegal. End of story. Result cannot stand. At the risk of sounding sensationalist I wonder what the outcome would be had it been Hamilton/McLaren in the Mosely era....

williamp

19,213 posts

272 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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trackdemon said:
Well, well, well: I guess I was a bit too hasty & the F1times boys were ahead of the game. I can't help be curious about the FIA & other teams response though: essentially, we've got a statement declaring that RB won with an illegal car in the last race - which surely should invalidate the race results????

I really like Webber & it would be shame to lose the race win, but that's what should happen: if the car is deemed illegal, its illegal. End of story. Result cannot stand. At the risk of sounding sensationalist I wonder what the outcome would be had it been Hamilton/McLaren in the Mosely era....
Yes but cars have won with illegal cars whose results have stood: Kimi Ferrari in Australia, for example. Its floor was deemed illegal, yet the results stayed. I cannot think of any incident of results being declared void if the car is judged to be illegal after the event.

RYH64E

7,960 posts

243 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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trackdemon said:
Well, well, well: I guess I was a bit too hasty & the F1times boys were ahead of the game. I can't help be curious about the FIA & other teams response though: essentially, we've got a statement declaring that RB won with an illegal car in the last race - which surely should invalidate the race results????

I really like Webber & it would be shame to lose the race win, but that's what should happen: if the car is deemed illegal, its illegal. End of story. Result cannot stand. At the risk of sounding sensationalist I wonder what the outcome would be had it been Hamilton/McLaren in the Mosely era....
Have you read any of the previous posts?

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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They 'got away with it'- for a car to be excluded from the results, it must be illegal but also it must be disputed within the allotted timeframe after the race.

Life Saab Itch

37,068 posts

187 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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williamp said:
Yes but cars have won with illegal cars whose results have stood: Kimi Ferrari in Australia, for example. Its floor was deemed illegal, yet the results stayed. I cannot think of any incident of results being declared void if the car is judged to be illegal after the event.
Brazil '81 iirc.

Wasn't Piquet disqualified from the win and someone else from second place (reuteman?)
Possibly for the "water cooled brakes".

williamp

19,213 posts

272 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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as alwats LSI I bow to your superior knowledge!!

trackdemon

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12,149 posts

260 months

Sunday 3rd June 2012
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RYH64E said:
trackdemon said:
Well, well, well: I guess I was a bit too hasty & the F1times boys were ahead of the game. I can't help be curious about the FIA & other teams response though: essentially, we've got a statement declaring that RB won with an illegal car in the last race - which surely should invalidate the race results????

I really like Webber & it would be shame to lose the race win, but that's what should happen: if the car is deemed illegal, its illegal. End of story. Result cannot stand. At the risk of sounding sensationalist I wonder what the outcome would be had it been Hamilton/McLaren in the Mosely era....
Have you read any of the previous posts?
What do you mean?

trackdemon

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260 months

Sunday 3rd June 2012
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PW said:
trackdemon said:
RYH64E said:
trackdemon said:
essentially, we've got a statement declaring that RB won with an illegal car in the last race
Have you read any of the previous posts?
What do you mean?
He means it has already been explained that the Red Bulls were legal at Moncao because they passed scrutineering and there was no protest.

The "statement" is that the hole in the Red Bull floors is not allowed by the rules.

That is subtly but significantly different to a statement saying Red Bull won with an illegal car.
I've read the link RYH64E refers to but it doesn't shine an awful lot more light on the subject of RB illegality/Monaco. I don't want Webber to lose his spot (or Vettel his 4th) but I'm still interested in the apparent inequality of a car being ruled illegal (however small the infringment) yet retaining significant race results results whilst racing in the same trim.