RE: Regulation changes to V8 Supercars
Discussion
Aussie Supercars is pretty much the only series I watch every round of these days - I get a bit bored with F1 by about this point in the season (I haven't watched Monza yet).
And it's the fact that you can really see the cars working on their suspension that does it for me (plus 180mph top speeds on some tracks). So as long as the IRS doesn't make the COTF too grippy and composed, I'll be happy.
Nissan coming in is a big deal, too, and provided the memories of the early 90s aren't still too raw for the Ford and Holden fans, should really give the V8 series a kick (in a good way).
And it's the fact that you can really see the cars working on their suspension that does it for me (plus 180mph top speeds on some tracks). So as long as the IRS doesn't make the COTF too grippy and composed, I'll be happy.
Nissan coming in is a big deal, too, and provided the memories of the early 90s aren't still too raw for the Ford and Holden fans, should really give the V8 series a kick (in a good way).
Riggers said:
Aussie Supercars is pretty much the only series I watch every round of these days - I get a bit bored with F1 by about this point in the season (I haven't watched Monza yet).
And it's the fact that you can really see the cars working on their suspension that does it for me (plus 180mph top speeds on some tracks). So as long as the IRS doesn't make the COTF too grippy and composed, I'll be happy.
Nissan coming in is a big deal, too, and provided the memories of the early 90s aren't still too raw for the Ford and Holden fans, should really give the V8 series a kick (in a good way).
The "pack of aAnd it's the fact that you can really see the cars working on their suspension that does it for me (plus 180mph top speeds on some tracks). So as long as the IRS doesn't make the COTF too grippy and composed, I'll be happy.
Nissan coming in is a big deal, too, and provided the memories of the early 90s aren't still too raw for the Ford and Holden fans, should really give the V8 series a kick (in a good way).
holes" Bathurst victory speech is Australian Touring car lore and won't be forgotten in a hurry. The key for Nissan will be the way they go about it. Control chassis eliminates one area where those sneaky little japs could innovate their way to a trophy*. I'm not sure what the engine regs are but Nissan will need to play a very straight bat to avoid another PR own goal. Having said that, for about ten years now Skylines, Fairladys, 350z etc have been been taken up in much larger numbers by the young kids who are now touring car fans and drifting has become an established sport in its won right in Oz, so it may well be that the crowd has changed enough to be quite accepting of a Nissan win. Maybe that GTR campaign made more sense than it appeared....* This is meant in a strictly satirical sense
Kawasicki said:
doogz said:
Kawasicki said:
Always love to read negative comments on live rear axle, wonder why the same experts aren't so damning of front wheel drive?
Where?I don't see anyone saying that.
t cliche writing style. for these behemoths maybe LRA was the best option? Ive done plenty of miles in cars with live rear axles and they can be good fun and are not the unruly beasts the media would have you think. Get off the bloody top gear bandwagon and do a bit of research, show us insight.
There is something special about the sound of big V8's flying around a race track. That sound! The speed!! The thrills!!! You get 3 out of 3 with that format. I like the BTCC but we just get the thrills and sometimes 1 out of 3 just does not cut it when others get to make their cake and eat it as well. Speed and sound remain the domian of roaring V8's. We can laugh all we want but I'd vote for big V8's for BTCC over rice-burners anyday!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAfy42hFYBk
Here's a video explaining the live rear axle. It was a way to keep costs and speed down; there was a spec for minimum axle weight on the old style cars.
Here's a video explaining the live rear axle. It was a way to keep costs and speed down; there was a spec for minimum axle weight on the old style cars.
Allyc85 said:
I hope the new cars are just as entertaining as the old.
You must be a right sad bd to really care about a cars suspension type over something that really moves about and is great to watch on the limit.
From the small bits I've read on the V8SC website expect much of the same kind of racing/driving with the COTF. All is looking good. You must be a right sad b
d to really care about a cars suspension type over something that really moves about and is great to watch on the limit.Must admit, ever sincthe end of group a, I havent cared about tin top racing.
The two cars in oz now (ford falcon and holden commodore) are taxis with v8's. The stupid thing, is that none of the engines in the race cars exist in any road cars you can buy here, so the "relevance" is zero.
I used to love seeing a small, moderately powerful car racing a heavier, more powerful car, and seeing their performances ebb and flow with tight sections of track, versus more open sections, and braking distances making real difference to results.
Nowadays, its like seeing the same car go round over and over. Just cant get into it, and not really interested.
I prefer to watch something like a Time Attack round if possible - at least the machinery is very different.
The two cars in oz now (ford falcon and holden commodore) are taxis with v8's. The stupid thing, is that none of the engines in the race cars exist in any road cars you can buy here, so the "relevance" is zero.
I used to love seeing a small, moderately powerful car racing a heavier, more powerful car, and seeing their performances ebb and flow with tight sections of track, versus more open sections, and braking distances making real difference to results.
Nowadays, its like seeing the same car go round over and over. Just cant get into it, and not really interested.
I prefer to watch something like a Time Attack round if possible - at least the machinery is very different.
big_rob_sydney said:
I used to love seeing a small, moderately powerful car racing a heavier, more powerful car, and seeing their performances ebb and flow with tight sections of track, versus more open sections, and braking distances making real difference to results.
Nowadays, its like seeing the same car go round over and over. Just cant get into it, and not really interested.
I prefer to watch something like a Time Attack round if possible - at least the machinery is very different.
that is a very good point and one thing racing lacks at the moment. back in the 80s you had 200bhp M3s up against 300bhp+ jags and holdens which was great aS they each played different strengths which meant overtaking happened more often. the M3 could brake later and corner faster so came shooting through on the bends only for the big power to come surging past once straight again. bring back the varietyNowadays, its like seeing the same car go round over and over. Just cant get into it, and not really interested.
I prefer to watch something like a Time Attack round if possible - at least the machinery is very different.
I'm a proponent of the NGTC rules. I actually think they've breathed new life into BTCC. I think the CoTF regulations have the same potential for V8 Supercars. There's not much wrong with the cars or drivers but greater international marketability and exposure can't do any harm.
SWMBO and I are in the formative stages of planning a trip to Bathurst and the Gold Coast 600 next year so I'm looking forward to seeing how the M-B and Nissan match up to the incumbents. I can't help but feel that a little homogeny between the Italian-based V8 Superstars series might also be worthwhile, but I won't be holding my breath...
SWMBO and I are in the formative stages of planning a trip to Bathurst and the Gold Coast 600 next year so I'm looking forward to seeing how the M-B and Nissan match up to the incumbents. I can't help but feel that a little homogeny between the Italian-based V8 Superstars series might also be worthwhile, but I won't be holding my breath...
DanDC5 said:
chevronb37 said:
SWMBO and I are in the formative stages of planning a trip to Bathurst and the Gold Coast 600 next year
Damn you! 
She lived in Aus for 6 months and is desperate to go back. I am desperate to go to Bathurst. We've decided to come to a compromise and do 4 weeks out there in October. The other potential piece of excitement is that the MotoGP at Philip Island is usually in October so we're keeping all fingers and toes crossed that it occurs in the middle weekend between the big V8 Supercars events. Even so, we'll do the V8S driving experience at Calder Park and the Philip Island circuit tour. Fortunately she loves muscle cars so thinks Commodores and Falcons are crazy cool.
Oh and I need to make it up to her in a big way after buggering off around Europe with my dad for two weeks and going to the Belgian and Italian Grand Prix without her. Not even a lovely Monza fridge magnet was going to make up for that little jaunt...
DanDC5 said:
chevronb37 said:
I'm sure my bank manager will be equally delighted when I go to ask for a honking great loan to pay for my wallet-crippling global motorsports addiction.
There are no unhappy parties in this. What could be better?aucklander said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I used to love seeing a small, moderately powerful car racing a heavier, more powerful car, and seeing their performances ebb and flow with tight sections of track, versus more open sections, and braking distances making real difference to results.
Nowadays, its like seeing the same car go round over and over. Just cant get into it, and not really interested.
I prefer to watch something like a Time Attack round if possible - at least the machinery is very different.
that is a very good point and one thing racing lacks at the moment. back in the 80s you had 200bhp M3s up against 300bhp+ jags and holdens which was great aS they each played different strengths which meant overtaking happened more often. the M3 could brake later and corner faster so came shooting through on the bends only for the big power to come surging past once straight again. bring back the varietyNowadays, its like seeing the same car go round over and over. Just cant get into it, and not really interested.
I prefer to watch something like a Time Attack round if possible - at least the machinery is very different.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5nuRgzaJ-q8
aucklander said:
Exactly pissed me off too. I doubt the writer has a clue about the relative merits of LRA/IRA and once again ph shows its bullst cliche writing style. for these behemoths maybe LRA was the best option? Ive done plenty of miles in cars with live rear axles and they can be good fun and are not the unruly beasts the media would have you think.
Get off the bloody top gear bandwagon and do a bit of research, show us insight.
The people who write for PH, with the exception of Chris Harris, don't actually know anything about cars or motorsport and, in the main, just re-hash press releases with a few of their own sarcastic (though they probably think of it as dryly humourous) comments added in. They can't be bothered to do any research or attempt to show any real knowledge.t cliche writing style. for these behemoths maybe LRA was the best option? Ive done plenty of miles in cars with live rear axles and they can be good fun and are not the unruly beasts the media would have you think. Get off the bloody top gear bandwagon and do a bit of research, show us insight.
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