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I'm hoping either Shedden or Neal defy the boost ruling tomorrow. Does seem that the series politics go against them. Shouldn't get penalised for designing and building a very competitive car.Although I don't believe that's the full reason for rulings going against them. The car should be built to the requirements that are set at the beginning of the season.
Isn't the last race at Brands Hatch, where the Hondas will need the turbo removing to give the other cars a chance to catch up. I don't think the two big teams were expecting the parity rules to affect them, perhaps they thought they'd be allowed to have their own private race at the front while the smaller teams fought over 5th and below.
Dan Friel said:
Tsl timing website for all details..
Thanks, forgot if you looked at the full PDF all the speed data and lap data was on there.Thanks for clarifying the boost change details, i was under the impression they weren't changed but you know what the internet is like, you can easily add 1+1 and get 5.
I wonder if they were change on account of Hondas success at Rockingham and not the speed data.
Marc W said:
They did make it clear at the start of the season that the boost equalisation would be applied (Which all the teams agreed to at the time), it's not something that's been made up mid season to "pick on" Honda.
Well I know it was agreed to at the beginning of the season that Lotus would be looking into the parity. But a 10moh difference on straights? Slightly unfair in my eyes. MG have often been as quick. The rules do need changing somewhere. RJB_666 said:
Well I know it was agreed to at the beginning of the season that Lotus would be looking into the parity. But a 10moh difference on straights? Slightly unfair in my eyes. MG have often been as quick. The rules do need changing somewhere.
There is not 10mph difference. Fastest Honda in Qualifying was Smith at 131.3, Plato was 134.8 Jackson was fastest at 137.2 down the "Wellington" straight.At the finish line the fastest Honda was Smith at 123.1, Plato was 126.4 and fastest was Jackson at 127.9
Smiths Honda was 1mph quicker than Neals and 1.7 faster than Sheddens.
There is a clear difference however the Hondas were much quicker in a straight line in qualifying than in practice...
To be honest i don't really care about it that much, just felt it was important to post some facts before the Plato haters come on here claiming he has 500bhp and that Alan Gow has given him a 25 lap head start.
And before anyone claims i love to stare at pictures of Jason and imagine him naked etc, i have no favourite driver and i couldn't care less if he wins, loses, crashes.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 7th October 07:19
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 7th October 07:21
MG CHRIS said:
tux said:
It could be suggested that Honda could well be sandbagging to get their own boost increase for the final round. I thought the boost levels were the same as Rockingham for everyone? The gap between MG and Honda in terms of straight line speeds were not as big as the qualifying times suggested at Rockingham.
Would be nice if we could go into a race weekend and be discussing something other than boost levels, driving standards and pay drivers.
Qualifying is online at 3:10pm
Agree with you on the 2nd statement it's getting boring now we all know the boost level arrangment, we know who pays for their ride and who doesn't and we know the driving standards are lets are questionable so why just repeat it over and over if you really feel unhappy then complain to alan gow on the main btcc forum about it or not watch.Would be nice if we could go into a race weekend and be discussing something other than boost levels, driving standards and pay drivers.
Qualifying is online at 3:10pm
Edited by tux on Saturday 6th October 14:13
Back to quali going to be a close but would love to see matt jackson get a pole the focus is looking stronger and with high boost levels could be at an advantage.
Link to live quali
http://www.itv.com/btcc/live/
Tge Hondas clearly are borked... look a where they all are....
top speed has no real bearing on how well a car goes over whole lap, in Red Bulls dominate season Vettel was one of the 'slowest' cars through speed traps.
Boost means how quick it hooks up from outta corners etc... speed traps are misleading, yes it helps but main reason Honda are so way off is the low boost affects the whole lap not just top speed.
Plato has been given a head start yet again ...
Boost means how quick it hooks up from outta corners etc... speed traps are misleading, yes it helps but main reason Honda are so way off is the low boost affects the whole lap not just top speed.
Plato has been given a head start yet again ...
decadence said:
top speed has no real bearing on how well a car goes over whole lap, in Red Bulls dominate season Vettel was one of the 'slowest' cars through speed traps.
Boost means how quick it hooks up from outta corners etc... speed traps are misleading, yes it helps but main reason Honda are so way off is the low boost affects the whole lap not just top speed.
Plato has been given a head start yet again ...
Can't you give it a rest ? All the teams knew the boost equalisation rules before they started this season. The rules are being applied exactly as suggested.Boost means how quick it hooks up from outta corners etc... speed traps are misleading, yes it helps but main reason Honda are so way off is the low boost affects the whole lap not just top speed.
Plato has been given a head start yet again ...
I agree that Plato needs to clean up his driving, but he's not the only one. A certain Honda driver doesn't set the best example to young drivers either.
As for Andy Neate, he was pretty much on the pace last year, after a slow start to his season. Plato has said on several occasions that the MG is a bit of a handful still - I guess Andy is just having problems getting to grips with it. It could also be that the car is being developed to suit Plato's style, which could be very different to Neate's.
I know decadence won't like this, but Plato's ability is shining through. He's driving that car to the limit when it's not up to that level yet. That's the difference between him and his teammate. It's not all about boost, it's about commitment and dragging the car kicking and screaming into the top positions. In my opinion, that's only something the likes of Plato, Muller, Giovanardi and Thompson have been able to do in the past. Nobody else can touch them in that respect. The Honda is clearly the best chassis, but the power balances it out, perhaps more than it should be, but that's the circuit layout for you. Wouldn't be as bad on the twists of Oulton, Brands Indy or Knockhill.
I dont doubt for a second that Plato isnt in a different league to Neate as a driver. But I'm just saying to MGChris that Plato moaned all lat year about 'parity' so why can't people do the same this season?
question remains of you produce the best car within the rules allowed, why should you be penalised to allow the rest to have a chance?
If the Honda is the best package like they suggest, why can't they reap the rewards?
the reason they can't is that Plato will cry moan on TV and threaten to leave the series....
Os Plato in the same league as Giovanardi/ Tarquini/ muller/Thompson... no IMO.
question remains of you produce the best car within the rules allowed, why should you be penalised to allow the rest to have a chance?
If the Honda is the best package like they suggest, why can't they reap the rewards?
the reason they can't is that Plato will cry moan on TV and threaten to leave the series....
Os Plato in the same league as Giovanardi/ Tarquini/ muller/Thompson... no IMO.
I also think this banging on about the achievements he's had in an MG. Let's get something straight here he's not just put a Rover 75 on pole it's 888 engineering with an ugly Chinese MG shell. 888 are a bit good BTW.... be under no illusions, it's a fantastic race car... the whole MG thing is just rubbish it's not an MG engine is it? look at Mat Jackson in the new ford NGCT, it's not as amazing as Plato likes his fanboys to think it is....
decadence said:
question remains of you produce the best car within the rules allowed, why should you be penalised to allow the rest to have a chance?
Because Mr Gow has decided it is an entertainment show and not a racing series as such. It just makes this parody video seem not such a parody. 
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/4300691/paddock-co... (NSFW)rscott said:
decadence said:
question remains of you produce the best car within the rules allowed, why should you be penalised to allow the rest to have a chance?
p.s I'll state again I'm no Honda fanboy, of it ain't Italian I'm not that interested of it wins or not, but I do feel it's gone too far towards other teams regards boost levels.
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