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decadence

502 posts

84 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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StoatInACoat said:
There's some really good stuff on this thread. Thank you to all those who have contributed something usefull and intresting. Wish I was a mod, I'd delete the other 50% of it!
Oh the irony.....

decadence

502 posts

84 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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MG CHRIS said:
It's the 2nd slowest car on the grid and has the 2nd lowest boost fiqures of all the cars on the grid how hard is that for you to understand the car was a dog to start with you could see that at the start of the year with only 13 weeks to build a car it wasn't going to be perfect. Over the year you can see the difference in how it handles and grips compared with the first race. Silverstone suites the mg it can grip better in the corners so puts the power down earlier and with it being 4 corners leading to 3 straights it had the advantage.
The honda has the better package so in the wet at both rockingham and thrxton it was the best car different tracks suit different cars try seeing that before making stupid comments.
Second quickest according to JP's info he gave us. Remember above YOU claimed 2nd slowest....hmmmm
jasonplato said:
Just in case any of you are interested in facts, here are some:

Silverstone Official mph Speed Trap figures: number is an average of Q, R1,R2,R3 bests

Trap 1: Wellington Straight

Matt Jackson 137.77
Jason Plato 134.73
Matt Neal 132.00
Gordon Shedden 131.53

Trap 2: Finish Line

Matt Jackson 127.47
Jason Plato 125.85
Matt Neal 122.48
Gordon Shedden 122.80

Wh00sher

1,164 posts

144 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
I put to you that...
wow. You are taking this waaay too seriously.


Did JP run over your cat or something ?, you just seem to be looking for an argument. I`m guessing you just like to argue for the sake of it.

Why do so many threads on PH end up with a couple of posters taking over a thread, arguing back and forth about something and spoiling them (IMO). Some of the F1 threads are just the same.

StoatInACoat

1,080 posts

111 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
StoatInACoat said:
There's some really good stuff on this thread. Thank you to all those who have contributed something usefull and intresting. Wish I was a mod, I'd delete the other 50% of it!
Oh the irony.....

rolleyes

Ok, a different approach. Please, for the sake of everyone else, stop posting endless rubbish on every thread with BTCC or Jason Plato in the title. You're swamping them completely and it's detracting from anything you say that might actually make sense and anything at all that anybody else says.

decadence

502 posts

84 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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StoatInACoat said:
decadence said:
StoatInACoat said:
There's some really good stuff on this thread. Thank you to all those who have contributed something usefull and intresting. Wish I was a mod, I'd delete the other 50% of it!
Oh the irony.....

rolleyes

Ok, a different approach. Please, for the sake of everyone else, stop posting endless rubbish on every thread with BTCC or Jason Plato in the title. You're swamping them completely and it's detracting from anything you say that might actually make sense and anything at all that anybody else says.
Because this is the most important thing in BTCC has been since 2011 when Jason Plato started moaning about 'parity'.
Plato was moaning about the boost levels for Ford at Knockhill in 2012. People are allowed to discuss it as if you bother to look into it it's a joke and even the drivers think it is.
if you want to pretend it dosen't exist well sorry just stick your head deeper into the sand.
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MGJohn

10,203 posts

109 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Sooooo,

When the Hondas run away with things, that's because they are the superior team and drivers nothing to do with rules.

When Plato does, it's the rules.

Got it. Good explanation ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWOTpeBVML8

All clear now!

Do not need any more decadent input now thank you. All is very clear ... wink

Pete RS

302 posts

159 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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How about you look at all this stuff from a slightly different angle:

I was in two of the support races (Porsche cup car). In the speed traps I was quickest in one and joint quickest in the other. BUT, I was fourth and fifth quickest in the overall sector times. What does that tell you? It says that I was getting good drive onto the straights and have a strong engine however I was not carrying the speed into and through the corner as I should - in my case scrubbing off to much speed and having a bit of understeer mid corner on the slower speed stuff.

When you then look at the motec data, it exactly backs up the point about mid corner speed.

Then, when you watch JP on Sunday, particularly at Luffield, his car is able to get to places on the curb, completely legally, than any other car on the grid ie its got brilliant turn in and is not washing out. Hence his point about the chassis being the best one out there.

So it is more than possible to be slow on the straights on that circuit but still win the race.

Hope that makes sense.


tux

2,621 posts

134 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Pete, your not allowed to talk sense, get out!!

Pete RS

302 posts

159 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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tux said:
Pete, your not allowed to talk sense, get out!!
Sorry about that LOL.

Its all a bloody fix - everyone's cheating. Is that better?

Vocal Minority

7,903 posts

78 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Pete RS said:
tux said:
Pete, your not allowed to talk sense, get out!!
Sorry about that LOL.

Its all a bloody fix - everyone's cheating. Is that better?
No - you didn't blame Plato once.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

109 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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tux said:
Pete, your not allowed to talk sense, get out!!
Yes! +several. Poor form on PH.

decadence

502 posts

84 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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MGJohn said:
Sooooo,

When the Hondas run away with things, that's because they are the superior team and drivers nothing to do with rules.

When Plato does, it's the rules.

Got it. Good explanation ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWOTpeBVML8

All clear now!

Do not need any more decadent input now thank you. All is very clear ... wink
OK if you want to fall into the trap, go for it...

Please explain why then that at Knockhill JP said the regs were unfair and it made people like Aron Smith faster and further up than they should be.?

So if Plato runs away with it then it's him and the Chassis, when Aron challenges the mighty Plato his car is unfairly boosted...

it's bks. If Plato doesn't win a race he blames the regs he blames the "pig of a car" he blames Gow he blames ToCA then next race he gas boost increase., he wins... suddenly all is fine, regs are great, chassis is great..

decadence

502 posts

84 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Pete RS said:
How about you look at all this stuff from a slightly different angle:

I was in two of the support races (Porsche cup car). In the speed traps I was quickest in one and joint quickest in the other. BUT, I was fourth and fifth quickest in the overall sector times. What does that tell you? It says that I was getting good drive onto the straights and have a strong engine however I was not carrying the speed into and through the corner as I should - in my case scrubbing off to much speed and having a bit of understeer mid corner on the slower speed stuff.

When you then look at the motec data, it exactly backs up the point about mid corner speed.

Then, when you watch JP on Sunday, particularly at Luffield, his car is able to get to places on the curb, completely legally, than any other car on the grid ie its got brilliant turn in and is not washing out. Hence his point about the chassis being the best one out there.

So it is more than possible to be slow on the straights on that circuit but still win the race.

Hope that makes sense.
Not really no cause both cars that walked away with the races (Plato/ Jackson) were the fastest through speed traps also FWD with engines in the front .... you porky guys don't have organisers messing about with boost levels either do you?
So as we know that some cars run with more boost we can make an assumption that more boost equals better torque out of said corners....

smartypants

32,681 posts

95 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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They all do it. But it's mostly the ones that have been involved in the sport for a long time, so I think they have an understanding on what makes a good driver, good car, and biased regulations that work in and out of their favour.

The nature of this NGTC "evolution" I think unfortunately.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

109 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
OK if you want to fall into the trap, go for it...

Please explain
Request declined.... No way.... no point..... a million verbal diagrams would not change your oh so narrowly focused mindset.

Plus, it really is not that important. You obviously know-it-all.

Who cares if that big cry baby in the Honda wins or not. Some obviously do, not me.

I hope Plato uses every trick in the book to do better than your chosen ones who always play fair. Just to get on your nerves. Now that would be a result to benefit all of us ... except yow.





smartypants

32,681 posts

95 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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MGJohn said:
I hope Plato uses every trick in the book to do better than your chosen ones who always play fair. Just to get on your nerves. Now that would be a result to benefit all of us ... except yow.
heheclap

IainW

1,631 posts

101 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
it's bks. If Plato doesn't win a race he blames the regs he blames the "pig of a car" he blames Gow he blames ToCA then next race he gas boost increase., he wins... suddenly all is fine, regs are great, chassis is great..
Call the cops!! It's mind games and it's clearly worked a treat on you. wink

decadence

502 posts

84 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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smartypants said:
MGJohn said:
I hope Plato uses every trick in the book to do better than your chosen ones who always play fair. Just to get on your nerves. Now that would be a result to benefit all of us ... except yow.
heheclap
And there it is... true colours... you dislike Mat Neal and Honda.

I only really want Rob Austin to do well, I don't support a team in BTCC at all. Far from it. If Alfa Romeo or at least someone in an Alfa were there I'd support them.

I don't care who wins it though having said that Collard is a nice bloke with some seriously good skills.

Nope can't think of anyone else, maybe the little Golf I do hope to see it do well as its one of the best looking cars out there ..

fatboy69

7,306 posts

113 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Let's be honest. It doesn't really matter because in 4 weeks time no one will give a toss who the BTCC or who had more boost than the other.

Its a race series which has no bearing on anyone when all said & done.

As far as I am concerned so long as Matt Neal doesn't win the title I don't give a flying fk!

Having said that if he should win the title so long as it was by fair means - & not by him or someone else ttting Plato or Shedden off a the first corner - then I won't loose any sleep or worry about it?

I don't like him however if he wins the title because on the day he was the better driver then sobeit. It won't change my life one way or the other.

As for the arguments regarding the boost rules i still say dump the turbos & go back to normally aspirated engines.




smartypants

32,681 posts

95 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
And there it is... true colours... you dislike Mat Neal and Honda.

I only really want Rob Austin to do well, I don't support a team in BTCC at all. Far from it. If Alfa Romeo or at least someone in an Alfa were there I'd support them.

I don't care who wins it though having said that Collard is a nice bloke with some seriously good skills.

Nope can't think of anyone else, maybe the little Golf I do hope to see it do well as its one of the best looking cars out there ..
Matt Neal seems a nice enough bloke around the paddock, don't really know him personally to comment further. I have a bit of allegiance to Triple 8 and the MG Team so would prefer to see them finish above Honda, that's all.

Apart from that, it's just racing! Everyone's always moaning about something or other that it's unfair smile