The Official Korean GP thread (WITH SPOILERS)
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oyster said:
Except people on here moan about Singapore and Abu Dhabi as well.
It seems unless it's a wet field somewhere in Northern Europe then some folks will moan it's not a propr race circuit.
There's a good article in Car by Gavin Green on this very subject, basically bemoaning the fact that Bernie is chasing the money at the expense of traditional venues. I have lost interest over the last few years, I just find F1 boring in comparison with other forms of racing, but I'd forgotten that there is no French GP, which is a shame considering they gave the sport its name.It seems unless it's a wet field somewhere in Northern Europe then some folks will moan it's not a propr race circuit.
hairyben said:
IainT said:
hairyben said:
lewis tyrewrecker hamilton
tedious at best.I think lewis is superb, probably the most exciting driver on the grid. That doesn't mean I worship him and are blind to his faults, as these are the traits that make him what he is. He isn't a smooth/conservative driver, is one of the hardest on tyres, not someone you'd put on an extraordinarily tyre-critical strategy, hence my comment.
What about that is it that requires the snark?
IainT said:
Evidence so far this season is that Lewis is no harder on his tyres than his team-mate.
Thats meaningless in itself though- Is it hamilton learning to conserve or button struggling to drive the car or the car playing more of a role in tyre wear than other teams?Evidence from 5 seasons says hamiltons tough on boots. I'd keep one eye on that until something convinces me otherwise. The biggest successes are built on learning, not speculation.
hairyben said:
Thats meaningless in itself though- Is it hamilton learning to conserve or button struggling to drive the car or the car playing more of a role in tyre wear than other teams?
Evidence from 5 seasons says hamiltons tough on boots. I'd keep one eye on that until something convinces me otherwise. The biggest successes are built on learning, not speculation.
have a look at LH's performance at barcelona, for example, and you'll see that if LH ever had a problem with conserving tyres, it's long gone.Evidence from 5 seasons says hamiltons tough on boots. I'd keep one eye on that until something convinces me otherwise. The biggest successes are built on learning, not speculation.
he also drove quite smartly to conserve his tyres at montreal at the beginning of the race. (I think he'd learnt it from alonso in the previous race or two)
hairyben said:
Evidence from 5 seasons says hamiltons tough on boots.
To turn your own dodgy logic back on you... That's meaningless in itself though - what's to say it wasn't the car that was hard on tyres?I'd say, in the balance of fairness, that maybe the statement "evidence from three seasons says hamiltons [sic] tough on boots" linked with "but he seems to have improved that" would be reasonable.
hairyben said:
Thats meaningless in itself though- Is it hamilton learning to conserve or button struggling to drive the car or the car playing more of a role in tyre wear than other teams?
Evidence from 5 seasons says hamiltons tough on boots. I'd keep one eye on that until something convinces me otherwise. The biggest successes are built on learning, not speculation.
Unless you work for the team and have tyre deg data for LH and JB to compare (esp during FP sessions), throwing around phrases like "tyrewrecker" don't mean a thing. It is just a perception, and perception ain't reality here. You are the one asserting that Lewis is tough on his tyres, well, provide data and arguments to back up that claim. Nobody is going to just accept it as received wisdom, no matter how much it is repeated ad nauseam. Evidence from 5 seasons says hamiltons tough on boots. I'd keep one eye on that until something convinces me otherwise. The biggest successes are built on learning, not speculation.
RealSquirrels said:
have a look at LH's performance at barcelona, for example, and you'll see that if LH ever had a problem with conserving tyres, it's long gone.
he also drove quite smartly to conserve his tyres at montreal at the beginning of the race. (I think he'd learnt it from alonso in the previous race or two)
Precisely. He is not stupid, what is obvious to us must be glaring to him.he also drove quite smartly to conserve his tyres at montreal at the beginning of the race. (I think he'd learnt it from alonso in the previous race or two)
I remember the British GP where Kimi forced him to shred his tyres. He is a lot older and wiser than that now and knows from Jenson's telemetry how to be smooth. If anything he is one of the better drivers on the grid for tyre management. Unfortunately he still has several races left at a team who couldn't organise the proverbial drinking party in a brewery. It is ridiculous how many points McLaren have thrown away this year, Lewis would be right in the WDC hunt if it weren't for repeated ineptitude.
Hamilton's approach to using the car with the longer term in view has improved for much the better for at least two seasons now. Obvious to me since that Monza incident with MSC where he took so long to get past has seen that change consistently up until Sunday's race. No sign of going for a near non-existant gap which will close as so often happened in the past. He held back and made a safe certainty of the pass.
I think he has deleted from his mental guidelines that "Anyone who sees any gap and doesn't go for it is not a racer" BS ~ a quote from his F1 hero of a bygone era. Previously, he could never resist any 'gap' no matter how unlikely to succeed.
Hard to remember the last time he registered a self-inflicted DNF from simply 'hot headed racer' over driving the car now.
His move to Mercedes has the style of this longer term view. Good for him. Although no certainty with guaranteed success, here he may have something in common with Alonso's move to the red outfit, not a big gamble in my view and I do not have anywhere near all the details that those directly involved have. Had he acquired this level of wisdom say five years ago, not two ago, I think he would have more than that single WDC to his name.
Both in and out of the car he has matured considerably. Good for him.
I think he has deleted from his mental guidelines that "Anyone who sees any gap and doesn't go for it is not a racer" BS ~ a quote from his F1 hero of a bygone era. Previously, he could never resist any 'gap' no matter how unlikely to succeed.
Hard to remember the last time he registered a self-inflicted DNF from simply 'hot headed racer' over driving the car now.
His move to Mercedes has the style of this longer term view. Good for him. Although no certainty with guaranteed success, here he may have something in common with Alonso's move to the red outfit, not a big gamble in my view and I do not have anywhere near all the details that those directly involved have. Had he acquired this level of wisdom say five years ago, not two ago, I think he would have more than that single WDC to his name.
Both in and out of the car he has matured considerably. Good for him.
hairyben said:
Okay, I'll take it under advisement hamiltons a bit better at tyre management these days.
Perhaps you should have posted that instead as a reply to my tyrewrecker comment- not hard to see why threads about hamilton turn into massive flame wars.
Because some people like to post unfounded and emotive assertions, not mentioning any names of course Perhaps you should have posted that instead as a reply to my tyrewrecker comment- not hard to see why threads about hamilton turn into massive flame wars.
MGJohn said:
I think he has deleted from his mental guidelines that "Anyone who sees any gap and doesn't go for it is not a racer" BS ~ a quote from his F1 hero of a bygone era. Previously, he could never resist any 'gap' no matter how unlikely to succeed.
Hard to remember the last time he registered a self-inflicted DNF from simply 'hot headed racer' over driving the car now.
Some of that change in driving style has been bought about by the change in the rules and the way that has affected overtaking. When it was difficult to overtake drivers had to grab whatever opportunities were presented, when tyres were cold or the driver infront wasn't expecting a move. Now the expectation is to wait. Hang back until tyres go off without killing your own or use DRS and KERs when required.Hard to remember the last time he registered a self-inflicted DNF from simply 'hot headed racer' over driving the car now.
AlexS said:
MGJohn said:
I think he has deleted from his mental guidelines that "Anyone who sees any gap and doesn't go for it is not a racer" BS ~ a quote from his F1 hero of a bygone era. Previously, he could never resist any 'gap' no matter how unlikely to succeed.
Hard to remember the last time he registered a self-inflicted DNF from simply 'hot headed racer' over driving the car now.
Some of that change in driving style has been bought about by the change in the rules and the way that has affected overtaking. When it was difficult to overtake drivers had to grab whatever opportunities were presented, when tyres were cold or the driver infront wasn't expecting a move. Now the expectation is to wait. Hang back until tyres go off without killing your own or use DRS and KERs when required.Hard to remember the last time he registered a self-inflicted DNF from simply 'hot headed racer' over driving the car now.
MGJohn said:
decadence said:
MGJohn said:
Maybe his Ferrari 'Dawg' was a bigger 'Dawg' than his team mate's earlier this season and now much improved ...
If your insinuating that Ferrari would nobble Massa's car to make Alonso look better that's just demented talk. What real benefit would that have to he team, Alonso not having a wing man has caused more issues than if Massa was up there with him....it's simply taken Massa this long to sort his head out and get some confidence back...It is quite possible that the No.1 driver always gets first call on the best bits or best car when they become available and if there's only one 'best bit' or upgrade available......
I'm utterly fed up with your pathetic decadent excrement stirring on these threads.
Please do not respond to any of my postings ever again.
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tux said:
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