Brands Hatch BTCC
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decadence said:
Mainly built in China actually. Cones to UK for some finishing touches from 40 odd staff... so probably means they stick the badges on a it's badged different in China.. sorry to dent the fairy tale .
You really are a muppet aren't you? Why not try reading a bit about it before you comment?The cars are assembled at Longbridge and a lot of the design work was done by engineers in the UK.
At the moment it clearly makes commercial sense to bring parts in from China but f the volume increases to a sensible level then it will more than likely make commercial sense to find European suppliers for the parts to cut the logistics costs.
But it has to make sense to create new tooling at many 10's of thousands of pounds.
But hey, you keep thinking they just stick the badge on in your fairy tale world.
Just for you... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Motor
Edited by Cyder on Wednesday 10th October 22:32
ybt1982 said:
Roo said:
They should try letting people know you can buy one for only £15k new. It's quite a bargain.
Yes, that would be a good start....... are they only £15k? Really? I didn't know that, does seem a bit of a bargain. Surely that undercuts most if its rivals?So you could get one for £12,455 plus an old banger. Why the hell are MG.co.uk not shouting this from the rooftops? That's a lot of car for the money.
Anyway, back on topic. Good luck to Redstone/Motorbase this weekend.
The reason that MG have a £3000 minimum part exchange allowance is because the retail price of its cars are at least £3000 over priced and are not selling.
First year depreciation of about 50% is shocking.
I would imagine that any BTCC fan,keen driver or anyone with any sence would not buy a new MG.
If you have no interest in cars and just need a vehicle to go from A To B then a year old car at less than half price would be a reasonable buy.
First year depreciation of about 50% is shocking.
I would imagine that any BTCC fan,keen driver or anyone with any sence would not buy a new MG.
If you have no interest in cars and just need a vehicle to go from A To B then a year old car at less than half price would be a reasonable buy.
Edited by btcc123 on Wednesday 10th October 23:52
Never driven one. But have read that the dynamics, are pretty good but finish let's it down.
Anyway once the 4 second hand ones have been snapped up, people (if they wanted one) would buy new, and as depriciation is a function of demand that will slowly get better.
But for that to happen it does need the kick start. very hard when.in a mainstream sector. BTCC has got people talking about it though
Anyway once the 4 second hand ones have been snapped up, people (if they wanted one) would buy new, and as depriciation is a function of demand that will slowly get better.
But for that to happen it does need the kick start. very hard when.in a mainstream sector. BTCC has got people talking about it though
Cyder said:
decadence said:
Mainly built in China actually. Cones to UK for some finishing touches from 40 odd staff... so probably means they stick the badges on a it's badged different in China.. sorry to dent the fairy tale .
You really are a muppet aren't you? Why not try reading a bit about it before you comment?The cars are assembled at Longbridge and a lot of the design work was done by engineers in the UK.
At the moment it clearly makes commercial sense to bring parts in from China but f the volume increases to a sensible level then it will more than likely make commercial sense to find European suppliers for the parts to cut the logistics costs.
But it has to make sense to create new tooling at many 10's of thousands of pounds.
But hey, you keep thinking they just stick the badge on in your fairy tale world.
Just for you... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Motor
Edited by Cyder on Wednesday 10th October 22:32
"Despite the ownership, and the fact that it is three-quarters built in China before being shipped over and finished off by the 40 or so manufacturing workers in Birmingham,"
Its a pile of rubbish, any fool who parts with 15k on one of those is a nutjob, just go see what 15k can get you in your garage.....
Edited by decadence on Thursday 11th October 10:01
Go on then, show us a source for your 40 people claim and that the cars are 3/4's built before arriving at Longbridge.
What with the crap you've written here and the crap you've written on the other BTCC threads I'm not entirely sure why I'm giving you satisfaction.
It's like a child poking a wasp's nest I suppose.
What with the crap you've written here and the crap you've written on the other BTCC threads I'm not entirely sure why I'm giving you satisfaction.
It's like a child poking a wasp's nest I suppose.
decadence said:
Cyder said:
decadence said:
Mainly built in China actually. Cones to UK for some finishing touches from 40 odd staff... so probably means they stick the badges on a it's badged different in China.. sorry to dent the fairy tale .
You really are a muppet aren't you? Why not try reading a bit about it before you comment?The cars are assembled at Longbridge and a lot of the design work was done by engineers in the UK.
At the moment it clearly makes commercial sense to bring parts in from China but f the volume increases to a sensible level then it will more than likely make commercial sense to find European suppliers for the parts to cut the logistics costs.
But it has to make sense to create new tooling at many 10's of thousands of pounds.
But hey, you keep thinking they just stick the badge on in your fairy tale world.
Just for you... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Motor
Edited by Cyder on Wednesday 10th October 22:32
"Despite the ownership, and the fact that it is three-quarters built in China before being shipped over and finished off by the 40 or so manufacturing workers in Birmingham,"
Its a pile of rubbish, any fool who parts with 15k on one of those is a nutjob, just go see what 15k can get you in your garage.....
Edited by decadence on Thursday 11th October 10:01
MG have been pretty honest that the UK and Europe are not their focus for the brand at the moment. From what I've read elsewhere sales in China, South America and other parts of the world are pretty reasonable.
Anyay we digress, bring on the BTCC finale!
Nick
The success of the MG in the BTCC will make little difference to its car sales in the UK as the amount of people that watch the BTCC is very small in percentage terms.There will be a few Plato fans that wear the MG merchandise that think its cool to have a MG road car,the same happened with the Cruize.
Although the MG is is reasonably spacious and quite a good drive what lets it down is that the interior plastics look cheap,the running costs are high due to the poor fuel consumption and high emissions.This together with its high retail price and 50% depreciation in the first year makes it a unwise new car purchase.
I used to be a Plato fan but the moaning last year put me off him.The team were going to use a turbo engine in the Cruze but decided against it as they thought the engine would be powerful enough and they had the best handling car.So it was their own fault.Matt Neal and the Honda teams are moaning this year and as I have some knowledge of what is happening with the turbo boost I must say I think it is justified.
I now support my mate Tony Gilham who has not really had the opportunity to show what a good driver he is with sponsors pulling out,no testing etc.From what I have been told next year could be very exciting.
I would like Gordon Shedden to win the title this year as his driving over the last three years has deserved a title.After race 1 at Brands Matt Neal could be out of it so races 2 and 3 with Matt Neal as Gordon Sheddens wing mad could produce some fireworks.
Although the MG is is reasonably spacious and quite a good drive what lets it down is that the interior plastics look cheap,the running costs are high due to the poor fuel consumption and high emissions.This together with its high retail price and 50% depreciation in the first year makes it a unwise new car purchase.
I used to be a Plato fan but the moaning last year put me off him.The team were going to use a turbo engine in the Cruze but decided against it as they thought the engine would be powerful enough and they had the best handling car.So it was their own fault.Matt Neal and the Honda teams are moaning this year and as I have some knowledge of what is happening with the turbo boost I must say I think it is justified.
I now support my mate Tony Gilham who has not really had the opportunity to show what a good driver he is with sponsors pulling out,no testing etc.From what I have been told next year could be very exciting.
I would like Gordon Shedden to win the title this year as his driving over the last three years has deserved a title.After race 1 at Brands Matt Neal could be out of it so races 2 and 3 with Matt Neal as Gordon Sheddens wing mad could produce some fireworks.
Edited by btcc123 on Thursday 11th October 11:07
btcc123 said:
The reason that MG have a £3000 minimum part exchange allowance is because the retail price of its cars are at least £3000 over priced and are not selling.
First year depreciation of about 50% is shocking.
How much does the equivalent Proton/Chevrowoo depreciate in the same time, it can't be that far off?First year depreciation of about 50% is shocking.
The MG6's problem is it doesn't have a diesel option, it'd make a pretty good taxi otherwise.
Average depreciation on a new car would be in the region of 50% over three years.Anything worse than that is madness.
Car manufactures realise that win on Sunday sell on Monday does not apply to the BTCC anymore that is the reason only MG and Honda are in the BTCC.
MG do not pay much to participate as most of the money comes from Tesco and Andy Neate.Also I would not be susprised if Honda pull out of the BTCC the way they are at a disadvantage with the turbo boost and concentrate four cars in the WTCC and a return to F1 in a couple of years.
Car manufactures realise that win on Sunday sell on Monday does not apply to the BTCC anymore that is the reason only MG and Honda are in the BTCC.
MG do not pay much to participate as most of the money comes from Tesco and Andy Neate.Also I would not be susprised if Honda pull out of the BTCC the way they are at a disadvantage with the turbo boost and concentrate four cars in the WTCC and a return to F1 in a couple of years.
decadence said:
can't remember the last time a saw a chevy Cruze on the roads, not seen a new Chinese Rover at all yet, pig ugly car pig ugly racing car too, at least the Cruze looked great... nah sorry the old "Win on Sunday sell on Monday" dosen't exists in the BTCC anymore...
I've seen more MG6 on the road than Cruize. And the MG is no worse looking than the Astra or modern BMWs, because several non car people have asked me if that's the new Astra/BMW when I point them out in a "hey look at that" kind of way.So you may not like it. But it seems bang on trend to many.
btcc123 said:
Average depreciation on a new car would be in the region of 50% over three years.Anything worse than that is madness.
Car manufactures realise that win on Sunday sell on Monday does not apply to the BTCC anymore that is the reason only MG and Honda are in the BTCC.
MG do not pay much to participate as most of the money comes from Tesco and Andy Neate.Also I would not be susprised if Honda pull out of the BTCC the way they are at a disadvantage with the turbo boost and concentrate four cars in the WTCC and a return to F1 in a couple of years.
Totally agree, I'm not Honda drum banger, far from it , but with these regs in BTCC making then look stupid at Silverstone, I can see HONDA UK pulling out of factory support, which is sad. Car manufactures realise that win on Sunday sell on Monday does not apply to the BTCC anymore that is the reason only MG and Honda are in the BTCC.
MG do not pay much to participate as most of the money comes from Tesco and Andy Neate.Also I would not be susprised if Honda pull out of the BTCC the way they are at a disadvantage with the turbo boost and concentrate four cars in the WTCC and a return to F1 in a couple of years.
Andy Neate as you say basically is the reason that MG is on the grid, and I Dave Bartrum says that Liam Groffin is the reason that they have built an NGTC car... pay for drivers are hear to stay...
I dont get why people are saying honda/ dynamics will move to the wtcc JAS are running a pair of fatory supported civics next year so why would dynamics do it doesn't make sense.
Also dynamics have sold their s2000 civics so would have to build another pair of s2000 civics to the wtcc regs which are even more expensive than the btcc. Dynamics will be staying.
Also dynamics have sold their s2000 civics so would have to build another pair of s2000 civics to the wtcc regs which are even more expensive than the btcc. Dynamics will be staying.
MG CHRIS said:
I dont get why people are saying honda/ dynamics will move to the wtcc JAS are running a pair of fatory supported civics next year so why would dynamics do it doesn't make sense.
Also dynamics have sold their s2000 civics so would have to build another pair of s2000 civics to the wtcc regs which are even more expensive than the btcc. Dynamics will be staying.
Dynamics will stay, but with Honda support? No alliances here to Honda, but i honestly do worry if it loses Honda factory support however small, as that was a real glimmer of hope for the BTCC after the big names dropped out. Any factory support is good, even MG, bless old Thorney he tried to entice Vauxhall support with the Insignia, but i reckon they would rather pay them to stay away than pay them to race the thing... Also dynamics have sold their s2000 civics so would have to build another pair of s2000 civics to the wtcc regs which are even more expensive than the btcc. Dynamics will be staying.
Honda will have four Civics in the WTCC next year,two factory cars and two run by an independent team with some factory support.Team Dynamics will have no involvement in this.
Honda will probably stay in the BTCC as they make a hell of a lot of cars in their UK plant and I believe that they do benefit from their involvement in the series.Another year being disadvantaged with turbo boost and they could say cherrio.
There are lots of true stories about turbo boost throughout the year that are unbelievable.One example is that before the season all cars were given turbo boost allowance.MG and 888 said that as they had new cars and had done little testing their boost levels should be increased.The BTCC organisers increased there boost,then Chris James heard about this and said that as they run the same engine as the MG they should have the same inrease in boost and they were given it.
I think its very likely that the NGTC Ford Focus will win the championship in 2013.
Honda will probably stay in the BTCC as they make a hell of a lot of cars in their UK plant and I believe that they do benefit from their involvement in the series.Another year being disadvantaged with turbo boost and they could say cherrio.
There are lots of true stories about turbo boost throughout the year that are unbelievable.One example is that before the season all cars were given turbo boost allowance.MG and 888 said that as they had new cars and had done little testing their boost levels should be increased.The BTCC organisers increased there boost,then Chris James heard about this and said that as they run the same engine as the MG they should have the same inrease in boost and they were given it.
I think its very likely that the NGTC Ford Focus will win the championship in 2013.
btcc123 said:
Honda will have four Civics in the WTCC next year,two factory cars and two run by an independent team with some factory support.Team Dynamics will have no involvement in this.
Honda will probably stay in the BTCC as they make a hell of a lot of cars in their UK plant and I believe that they do benefit from their involvement in the series.Another year being disadvantaged with turbo boost and they could say cherrio.
There are lots of true stories about turbo boost throughout the year that are unbelievable.One example is that before the season all cars were given turbo boost allowance.MG and 888 said that as they had new cars and had done little testing their boost levels should be increased.The BTCC organisers increased there boost,then Chris James heard about this and said that as they run the same engine as the MG they should have the same inrease in boost and they were given it.
I think its very likely that the NGTC Ford Focus will win the championship in 2013.
I didn't know that MG had same engine as the Vectras even! Honda will probably stay in the BTCC as they make a hell of a lot of cars in their UK plant and I believe that they do benefit from their involvement in the series.Another year being disadvantaged with turbo boost and they could say cherrio.
There are lots of true stories about turbo boost throughout the year that are unbelievable.One example is that before the season all cars were given turbo boost allowance.MG and 888 said that as they had new cars and had done little testing their boost levels should be increased.The BTCC organisers increased there boost,then Chris James heard about this and said that as they run the same engine as the MG they should have the same inrease in boost and they were given it.
I think its very likely that the NGTC Ford Focus will win the championship in 2013.
Interesting about MG boost increase. As they have more increases as seasons gone on.
As the Team Dynamics Hondas handling has been so good they are the fastest around corners but slow on the straights but overall the lap times have been faster so no boost increase for the Hondas but boost increases for everyone else.
This has gone on all season and as other teams and especially MG have improved their handing we have come to a situation that Honda are only a bit quicker in the corners but still alot slower on the straights.
Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
This has gone on all season and as other teams and especially MG have improved their handing we have come to a situation that Honda are only a bit quicker in the corners but still alot slower on the straights.
Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
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