BTCC's Frank Wrathall in court after cyclist collision

[Crafty_]

FourWheelDrift said:

Paul O'Neil is available and had some Toyota Avensis experience with Speedworks from June last year.

And no money to pay for the drive.

djroadboy said:

Yes and by the looks of it, he'll PROBABLY be in jail. That's gonna compromise the season a bit.

Dan

Unless Daddy has, erm, contacts ?

[BMR]

IainW said:

It's Frank Wrathall Snr's team. That's why. Incredible how a story like that has been kept quiet for so long.

Seems pretty conclusive evidence, despite his fangirls on Twitter defending him.......

Edited by IainW on Wednesday 3rd July 22:23

I did hear about this at the beginning of the year. I believe he was maybe in court earlier in the year but of course there was nothing for the Daily Mail to sensationalise about back then, and now with their article in tow it's nearly went viral on facebook etc.

A lot of people become experts but it's very dodgy ground to start assuming guilt etc.

[SmoothCriminal]

Munter said:

Death by careless could be a years ban, or up to 5 years in prison. And given he's not pleaded guilty. And the evidence is pretty damming. I don't see why he should avoid a custodial sentence.

It's death by dangerous that he's on trial for.

And to the person saying people speculating guilt I think the evidence is pretty much damming when the accused is recorded on camera on the phone moments before the accident, telephone records prove there was a 7 minute call around the time of the accident oh and that the accused blames the cyclist for the accident but is then gobsmacked when showed CCTV footage of the cyclist being there before him.

Edited by SmoothCriminal on Wednesday 3rd July 22:45

[StevieBee]

I'm fairly certain that in the days when the MSA was part of the RAC, any race license holder who lost their road license also lost their race license for the same period of time.

IMO, the majority of racing drivers make exceptionally good road drivers but there are those that consider themselves immune to everyday life on the roads and those that transgress this and are found guilty should be excluded from ever holding a racing license again.

[BlackpoolRock]

IainW said:

It's Frank Wrathall Snr's team. That's why. Incredible how a story like that has been kept quiet for so long.

Seems pretty conclusive evidence, despite his fangirls on Twitter defending him.......

Edited by IainW on Wednesday 3rd July 22:23

Ah ok, that explains that.

[Reardy Mister]

Tragic for the deceased obviously but I also feel for Frank. Genuinely nice, down to earth lad who has made a silly mistake that will have far-reaching implications for the rest of his life. I suspect he is far more concerned about causing a death than at the prospect of a year or two in jail.

It could easily have happened to any number of PHers, if they were being a bit more honest with themselves instead of playing "burn the rich boy".

[Munter]

Reardy Mister said:

Tragic for the deceased obviously but I also feel for Frank. Genuinely nice, down to earth lad who has made a silly mistake that will have far-reaching implications for the rest of his life. I suspect he is far more concerned about causing a death than at the prospect of a year or two in jail.

It could easily have happened to any number of PHers, if they were being a bit more honest with themselves instead of playing "burn the rich boy".

So has he pleaded guilty?

Doing something dumb is one thing. Then denying it...

[RemyMartin]

If he did deny the charges and if he is guilty ( which it looks bang to rights) then he deserves the full sentence possible.

Even so cant see him not going down. Death by DD is a serious crime.

Tragic for the cyclist. guess Frank has pretty much ruined his own life now too. tt

[funkyrobot]

Munter said:

Reardy Mister said:

Tragic for the deceased obviously but I also feel for Frank. Genuinely nice, down to earth lad who has made a silly mistake that will have far-reaching implications for the rest of his life. I suspect he is far more concerned about causing a death than at the prospect of a year or two in jail.

It could easily have happened to any number of PHers, if they were being a bit more honest with themselves instead of playing "burn the rich boy".

So has he pleaded guilty?

Doing something dumb is one thing. Then denying it...

Absolutely. I get the distinct impression that some people on here wouldn't be so nice about him if he wasn't a racing driver.

Anyway, let's hear what happens at court. Hopefully the truth will come out there.

[freedman]

Reardy Mister said:

Tragic for the deceased obviously but I also feel for Frank. Genuinely nice, down to earth lad who has made a silly mistake that will have far-reaching implications for the rest of his life. I suspect he is far more concerned about causing a death than at the prospect of a year or two in jail.

It could easily have happened to any number of PHers, if they were being a bit more honest with themselves instead of playing "burn the rich boy".

I might feel (a little) sorry for him if he admited it and said sorry. Instead he's denied it, so doesnt look like he's that bothered about the death, just attempting to protect himself

If this could easily happened to a lot of PHers, then they are all class A idiots as well and deserve no sympathy

Deserves prison, if found guilty

[Jerry Can]

not the first young racing driver to be in this position. Only this one came back and made a successful career

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/hert...

[Marc W]

Everyone is jumping the gun a bit here, he's not been found guilty and the Mail's reporting is not the same as evidence. Newspapers don't always get things correct.

[MG511]

Reardy Mister said:

made a silly mistake

A silly mistake? You sure that's all it was? Some people on PH need a reality check.

[andy97]

IF found guilty:

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manu...

Level 3 offence??????? Starting point is 3 years (You get 1/3rd off for pleading guilty, hence the reason why the average sentence starts at 2 year, but the average does go up to 5)

[McClure]

We were involved in a fairly high profile case a couple of years ago with a young lady who caused a death in an accident shortly after using her phone (not on the phone at the time of the accident). The judge basically said where there has been a death and there was use of a mobile phone involved (even if not at the time - it showed a general lack of attention apparently), you can expect a prison term. It'll probably just be a battle to minimise the sentence. That case is why I never use my phone unless it's bluetoothed any more, even on a deserted motorway.

[Grenoble]

If guilty, I personally hope he goes down for the max duration possible.

It's an inexcusable action and no mitigating circumstances have been provided (dying sibling, etc). He was a well informed, experienced driver who knew all about risk, control and the importance of concentration.

I'm always surprised that the tariff is so low for causing what is effectively causing death by personal stupidity/negligence.

[anonymous-user]

Grenoble said:

If guilty, I personally hope he goes down for the max duration possible.

It's an inexcusable action and no mitigating circumstances have been provided (dying sibling, etc). He was a well informed, experienced driver who knew all about risk, control and the importance of concentration.

I'm always surprised that the tariff is so low for causing what is effectively causing death by personal stupidity/negligence.

Well you are obviously superior to the rest of us and have ever, or will ever have, transgressed so what can we say?

[Inertiatic]

REALIST123 said:

Grenoble said:

If guilty, I personally hope he goes down for the max duration possible.

It's an inexcusable action and no mitigating circumstances have been provided (dying sibling, etc). He was a well informed, experienced driver who knew all about risk, control and the importance of concentration.

I'm always surprised that the tariff is so low for causing whoat is effectively causing death by personal stupidity/negligence.

Well you are obviously superior to the rest of us and have ever, or will ever have, transgressed so what can we say?

How does that have any bearing. There is no excuse for killing someone in these circumstances. Just because transgressions happens without incident doesn't mean they are ok.

[anonymous-user]

Inertiatic said:

REALIST123 said:

Grenoble said:

If guilty, I personally hope he goes down for the max duration possible.

It's an inexcusable action and no mitigating circumstances have been provided (dying sibling, etc). He was a well informed, experienced driver who knew all about risk, control and the importance of concentration.

I'm always surprised that the tariff is so low for causing whoat is effectively causing death by personal stupidity/negligence.

Well you are obviously superior to the rest of us and have ever, or will ever have, transgressed so what can we say?

How does that have any bearing. There is no excuse for killing someone in these circumstances. Just because transgressions happens without incident doesn't mean they are ok.

So you are fully aware of what the circumstances are too, are you? I didn't know that.

Personally, I am prepared to let the court deal with it.

[Grenoble]

REALIST123 said:

Well you are obviously superior to the rest of us and have ever, or will ever have, transgressed so what can we say?

I am happy to take responsibilities for my actions. And no, I never use my phone whilst driving (I don't even use hands free)

Sorry, sore point for me as a friend was killed in similar circumstances. Hands up, I'm not the most objective of commentators.