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Well that was one of the most boring races I've ever sat through. It's typical, I usually record the Indycars because of the time difference as it's usually on Sunday evening/night, and Mrs Badger doesn't want to watch it because we have to watch Britain's Got Fat Dragons on Den Benefits Poldark Something Something ars
hole.
Anyway, she was doing some work on the laptop in the other room and had the whole damn evening to myself to watch it. And what did I see? A bunch of cars plodding round under the safety car for 1hr 40mins. Seriously they only completed about 12 laps under green, and only managed 30 something laps out of 70 odd!
My question is this though; yes I know the drivers should have been more careful and gentle in tricky conditions, but why do they leave the safety car out for so damn long after everything has been cleared away?
hole.Anyway, she was doing some work on the laptop in the other room and had the whole damn evening to myself to watch it. And what did I see? A bunch of cars plodding round under the safety car for 1hr 40mins. Seriously they only completed about 12 laps under green, and only managed 30 something laps out of 70 odd!
My question is this though; yes I know the drivers should have been more careful and gentle in tricky conditions, but why do they leave the safety car out for so damn long after everything has been cleared away?
Speed Badger said:
Well that was one of the most boring races I've ever sat through. It's typical, I usually record the Indycars because of the time difference as it's usually on Sunday evening/night, and Mrs Badger doesn't want to watch it because we have to watch Britain's Got Fat Dragons on Den Benefits Poldark Something Something arshole.
Anyway, she was doing some work on the laptop in the other room and had the whole damn evening to myself to watch it. And what did I see? A bunch of cars plodding round under the safety car for 1hr 40mins. Seriously they only completed about 12 laps under green, and only managed 30 something laps out of 70 odd!
My question is this though; yes I know the drivers should have been more careful and gentle in tricky conditions, but why do they leave the safety car out for so damn long after everything has been cleared away?
I guess to make sure they've swept up. What's the chance of watching two races finish under yellow on the same day?!hole.Anyway, she was doing some work on the laptop in the other room and had the whole damn evening to myself to watch it. And what did I see? A bunch of cars plodding round under the safety car for 1hr 40mins. Seriously they only completed about 12 laps under green, and only managed 30 something laps out of 70 odd!
My question is this though; yes I know the drivers should have been more careful and gentle in tricky conditions, but why do they leave the safety car out for so damn long after everything has been cleared away?
Speed Badger said:
Well that was one of the most boring races I've ever sat through. It's typical, I usually record the Indycars because of the time difference as it's usually on Sunday evening/night, and Mrs Badger doesn't want to watch it because we have to watch Britain's Got Fat Dragons on Den Benefits Poldark Something Something arshole.
Anyway, she was doing some work on the laptop in the other room and had the whole damn evening to myself to watch it. And what did I see? A bunch of cars plodding round under the safety car for 1hr 40mins. Seriously they only completed about 12 laps under green, and only managed 30 something laps out of 70 odd!
My question is this though; yes I know the drivers should have been more careful and gentle in tricky conditions, but why do they leave the safety car out for so damn long after everything has been cleared away?
Thats the American way. Every series does it, its annoying.hole.Anyway, she was doing some work on the laptop in the other room and had the whole damn evening to myself to watch it. And what did I see? A bunch of cars plodding round under the safety car for 1hr 40mins. Seriously they only completed about 12 laps under green, and only managed 30 something laps out of 70 odd!
My question is this though; yes I know the drivers should have been more careful and gentle in tricky conditions, but why do they leave the safety car out for so damn long after everything has been cleared away?
Anyone see the Alabama race? Thought it was a damn good one, a new winner in Josef Newgarden, Will Power moaning it wasn't fair to get a drive-through when he rejoined from the pits into the side of Takuma Sato, and fantastic late push from Graham Rahal, who I've never really rated, but credit to a fine drive.
New Indy aero package not working as intended.
With video - http://sports.usatoday.com/2015/05/13/helio-castro...
Fire for de Silvestro too - http://sports.usatoday.com/2015/05/12/indycar-simo...
Is it just me who thinks they are totally unsuitable for putting out fires, two weedy extinguishers?
With video - http://sports.usatoday.com/2015/05/13/helio-castro...
Fire for de Silvestro too - http://sports.usatoday.com/2015/05/12/indycar-simo...
Is it just me who thinks they are totally unsuitable for putting out fires, two weedy extinguishers?
I love Indycar as a formula, but it always seems to be in a situation of taking one step forwards and two steps back. I can see the logic of the aero kits, but the implementation has been awful. First it's winglets littering the place and injuring fans, now it's cars taking off. I used to love the Indy 500, but have increasingly found myself watching with a sense of trepidation and an increasing conviction that these cars really no longer belong on the big ovals.
FourWheelDrift said:
New Indy aero package not working as intended.
Nothing to do with the aero kit. It's the nature of aero and ground effects - they're designed to work in forward motion, vulnerable at yaw (which is why LMP1 cars are mandated fins) and even more dangerous going backwards. Even NASCAR is prone to the same type of blowover as there rear bumpers are akin to a primitive diffuser.The rear of the car is designed to accelerate air pressure and create low air pressure at the bottom of the car during forward motion. Turn it around 180° and air will lift the car.
http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints/item/116730-p...
entropy said:
Nothing to do with the aero kit.
Odd loss of control to start it though.And of course as you mention large amounts of aero on the car to provide downforce going forward doesn't work when the car spins around and the car will go airborne as shown, even the carthorse engineering of NASCAR worked that out years ago when they fitted the anti-flip devices.
entropy said:
Nothing to do with the aero kit. It's the nature of aero and ground effects - they're designed to work in forward motion, vulnerable at yaw (which is why LMP1 cars are mandated fins) and even more dangerous going backwards. Even NASCAR is prone to the same type of blowover as there rear bumpers are akin to a primitive diffuser.
The rear of the car is designed to accelerate air pressure and create low air pressure at the bottom of the car during forward motion. Turn it around 180° and air will lift the car.
http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints/item/116730-p...
The thing I find troubling is that nobody seems to have considered that during the design process? An Indycar spinning and going backwards at high speed is a common enough occurence that some sort of counter measure ought to have been considered long before the kits got anywhere near the cars. Shouldn't take a car flipping for the powers that be to realise "ooh, so that's what happens if one of them goes backwards!". Makes the whole series look horrifically amateur.The rear of the car is designed to accelerate air pressure and create low air pressure at the bottom of the car during forward motion. Turn it around 180° and air will lift the car.
http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints/item/116730-p...
FourWheelDrift said:
Odd loss of control to start it though.
And of course as you mention large amounts of aero on the car to provide downforce going forward doesn't work when the car spins around and the car will go airborne as shown, even the carthorse engineering of NASCAR worked that out years ago when they fitted the anti-flip devices.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZXIvpzoH_YAnd of course as you mention large amounts of aero on the car to provide downforce going forward doesn't work when the car spins around and the car will go airborne as shown, even the carthorse engineering of NASCAR worked that out years ago when they fitted the anti-flip devices.
roof flaps were mandated late 90's/2000s?
I wouldn't say there was anything odd. HCN had an oversteer moment mid-corner, corrected but sent bouncing off the wall. The cars are very sensitive to handling not to mention the wind can make a difference.
entropy said:
I didn't say the NASCAR engineers were geniuses 
The COT has been hammered for it's design, aero and lack of downforce and since 2010 (that accident) they have replaced the rear wing with a more traditional boot flip up spoiler.
Josef Newgarden has just had a big crash, hit the wall, went backwards and turned over he's ok though.
Live stream - https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=14416&v=m8OBWv... and you can also go back the time line to see earlier.
Live stream - https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=14416&v=m8OBWv... and you can also go back the time line to see earlier.
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