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Original Poster:

25,241 posts

193 months

Saturday 11th April 2015
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BT Sport red button? Help!

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

Original Poster:

25,241 posts

193 months

Saturday 11th April 2015
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Think I've found the answers

Sunday 12 April: Grand Prix of Lousiana (BT Sport Extra, 8pm)

Sunday 19 April: Grand Prix of Long Beach (BT Sport 2, 9pm)

Sunday 26 April: Grand Prix of Alabama (ESPN, 8pm)

That's OK for watching live, hard for recording!

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

Original Poster:

25,241 posts

193 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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So,

website says

Sunday 12 April: Grand Prix of Lousiana (BT Sport Extra, 8pm)

...and I miss the first 9 laps!

fatandwheezing

383 posts

116 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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They really need to invent tyres that can grip in the wet. It's been full course yellow since I switched on 40 minutes ago.

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Original Poster:

25,241 posts

193 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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What's the record for the most laps under yellow!?

FourWheelDrift

80,843 posts

242 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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Has New Orleans flooded again?

Speed Badger

1,283 posts

75 months

Monday 13th April 2015
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Well that was one of the most boring races I've ever sat through. It's typical, I usually record the Indycars because of the time difference as it's usually on Sunday evening/night, and Mrs Badger doesn't want to watch it because we have to watch Britain's Got Fat Dragons on Den Benefits Poldark Something Something arscensoredhole.

Anyway, she was doing some work on the laptop in the other room and had the whole damn evening to myself to watch it. And what did I see? A bunch of cars plodding round under the safety car for 1hr 40mins. Seriously they only completed about 12 laps under green, and only managed 30 something laps out of 70 odd!

My question is this though; yes I know the drivers should have been more careful and gentle in tricky conditions, but why do they leave the safety car out for so damn long after everything has been cleared away?


2 sMoKiN bArReLs

Original Poster:

25,241 posts

193 months

Monday 13th April 2015
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Speed Badger said:
Well that was one of the most boring races I've ever sat through. It's typical, I usually record the Indycars because of the time difference as it's usually on Sunday evening/night, and Mrs Badger doesn't want to watch it because we have to watch Britain's Got Fat Dragons on Den Benefits Poldark Something Something arscensoredhole.

Anyway, she was doing some work on the laptop in the other room and had the whole damn evening to myself to watch it. And what did I see? A bunch of cars plodding round under the safety car for 1hr 40mins. Seriously they only completed about 12 laps under green, and only managed 30 something laps out of 70 odd!

My question is this though; yes I know the drivers should have been more careful and gentle in tricky conditions, but why do they leave the safety car out for so damn long after everything has been cleared away?

I guess to make sure they've swept up. What's the chance of watching two races finish under yellow on the same day?!

anonymous-user

12 months

Monday 13th April 2015
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Speed Badger said:
Well that was one of the most boring races I've ever sat through. It's typical, I usually record the Indycars because of the time difference as it's usually on Sunday evening/night, and Mrs Badger doesn't want to watch it because we have to watch Britain's Got Fat Dragons on Den Benefits Poldark Something Something arscensoredhole.

Anyway, she was doing some work on the laptop in the other room and had the whole damn evening to myself to watch it. And what did I see? A bunch of cars plodding round under the safety car for 1hr 40mins. Seriously they only completed about 12 laps under green, and only managed 30 something laps out of 70 odd!

My question is this though; yes I know the drivers should have been more careful and gentle in tricky conditions, but why do they leave the safety car out for so damn long after everything has been cleared away?

Thats the American way. Every series does it, its annoying.

Altrezia

8,367 posts

169 months

Monday 13th April 2015
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It's so hard to watch - awful commentary, lots of ad-breaks (even when we get to keep the pic we have to listen to it) and average drivers. I liked it up until a few years ago and still watch, but it's not got the magic at the moment.

Speed Badger

1,283 posts

75 months

Monday 27th April 2015
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Anyone see the Alabama race? Thought it was a damn good one, a new winner in Josef Newgarden, Will Power moaning it wasn't fair to get a drive-through when he rejoined from the pits into the side of Takuma Sato, and fantastic late push from Graham Rahal, who I've never really rated, but credit to a fine drive.

FourWheelDrift

80,843 posts

242 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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New Indy aero package not working as intended.



With video - http://sports.usatoday.com/2015/05/13/helio-castro...





Fire for de Silvestro too - http://sports.usatoday.com/2015/05/12/indycar-simo...

Is it just me who thinks they are totally unsuitable for putting out fires, two weedy extinguishers?


MartG

16,609 posts

162 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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Another nasty one - again driver unhurt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29XoVcDF95I

hornet

6,333 posts

208 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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I love Indycar as a formula, but it always seems to be in a situation of taking one step forwards and two steps back. I can see the logic of the aero kits, but the implementation has been awful. First it's winglets littering the place and injuring fans, now it's cars taking off. I used to love the Indy 500, but have increasingly found myself watching with a sense of trepidation and an increasing conviction that these cars really no longer belong on the big ovals.

entropy

3,926 posts

161 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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FourWheelDrift said:
New Indy aero package not working as intended.
Nothing to do with the aero kit. It's the nature of aero and ground effects - they're designed to work in forward motion, vulnerable at yaw (which is why LMP1 cars are mandated fins) and even more dangerous going backwards. Even NASCAR is prone to the same type of blowover as there rear bumpers are akin to a primitive diffuser.

The rear of the car is designed to accelerate air pressure and create low air pressure at the bottom of the car during forward motion. Turn it around 180° and air will lift the car.

http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints/item/116730-p...

FourWheelDrift

80,843 posts

242 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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entropy said:
Nothing to do with the aero kit.
Odd loss of control to start it though.

And of course as you mention large amounts of aero on the car to provide downforce going forward doesn't work when the car spins around and the car will go airborne as shown, even the carthorse engineering of NASCAR worked that out years ago when they fitted the anti-flip devices.

hornet

6,333 posts

208 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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entropy said:
Nothing to do with the aero kit. It's the nature of aero and ground effects - they're designed to work in forward motion, vulnerable at yaw (which is why LMP1 cars are mandated fins) and even more dangerous going backwards. Even NASCAR is prone to the same type of blowover as there rear bumpers are akin to a primitive diffuser.

The rear of the car is designed to accelerate air pressure and create low air pressure at the bottom of the car during forward motion. Turn it around 180° and air will lift the car.

http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints/item/116730-p...
The thing I find troubling is that nobody seems to have considered that during the design process? An Indycar spinning and going backwards at high speed is a common enough occurence that some sort of counter measure ought to have been considered long before the kits got anywhere near the cars. Shouldn't take a car flipping for the powers that be to realise "ooh, so that's what happens if one of them goes backwards!". Makes the whole series look horrifically amateur.

entropy

3,926 posts

161 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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FourWheelDrift said:
Odd loss of control to start it though.

And of course as you mention large amounts of aero on the car to provide downforce going forward doesn't work when the car spins around and the car will go airborne as shown, even the carthorse engineering of NASCAR worked that out years ago when they fitted the anti-flip devices.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZXIvpzoH_Y

roof flaps were mandated late 90's/2000s?

I wouldn't say there was anything odd. HCN had an oversteer moment mid-corner, corrected but sent bouncing off the wall. The cars are very sensitive to handling not to mention the wind can make a difference.


FourWheelDrift

80,843 posts

242 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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entropy said:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZXIvpzoH_Y

roof flaps were mandated late 90's/2000s?
I didn't say the NASCAR engineers were geniuses hehe

The COT has been hammered for it's design, aero and lack of downforce and since 2010 (that accident) they have replaced the rear wing with a more traditional boot flip up spoiler.

FourWheelDrift

80,843 posts

242 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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Josef Newgarden has just had a big crash, hit the wall, went backwards and turned over he's ok though.


Live stream - https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=14416&v=m8OBWv... and you can also go back the time line to see earlier.