Kvyat - lost his mojo?

Kvyat - lost his mojo?

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Jasandjules

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69,825 posts

228 months

Saturday 9th July 2016
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He really seems be struggling to me. Seems happy in interview etc but in the car it is a different story.

cgt2

7,093 posts

187 months

Saturday 9th July 2016
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Sainz is exceptional though, so a lot of direct pressure against such a strong team-mate. I really hope he isn't stuck in a Toro Rosso for the next two years.

I'm wondering if the evidence is mounting that Verstappen is much better than Ricciardo, seems to be going that way. It also perhaps gives some context to how good Sainz is too.

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Saturday 9th July 2016
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Kvyat needs to get it together. What Marko did was pretty horrendous, he was matching Ricciardo this year (bar reliability) but time to move on. Competing against Sainz is going to be tough.

The only think that might save him is the fact that the only driver Red Bull have in the wings is Gasly who isn't exactly seeing the field alight in gp2 and I dont think qualifies for a super licence.

I suppose they could take on one of the other gp2 guys but they normally keep an eye on them in feeder series first.

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Saturday 9th July 2016
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He never seemed up to much to me. A driver of dubious talent in a good car, once he started smashing into everything around him it was clear he didn't deserve to be in that car any longer. Verstappen seems to be on the ride but if anyone has lost their mojo it seems to have been Ricciardo, he's had some poor luck this season and his times seem to be dropping. I thought he'd comfortably out-pace Verstappen for at least the rest of this season but Max seems to have adjusted to the Red Bull very quickly where Daniel looks less comfortable with each passing race.

Sandy59

2,706 posts

210 months

Saturday 9th July 2016
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Ricciardo is fully aware of Max stealing a bit of limelight, he's calling himself the 'Honey Badger' now and implying he's going to step up another gear in pace and aggression if need be, we'll see.

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Saturday 9th July 2016
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The "Honey Badger" thing is not new.

joefraser

725 posts

110 months

Sunday 10th July 2016
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Crafty_ said:
The "Honey Badger" thing is not new.
I think the point being made is others gave him that name, due to his tenacity/ approach to racing.

Now he's calling himself it. I can't see Ricciardo ever being a champion, same with Daniil. Sainz and Verstappen on the other hand have championships in their future.

FW18

243 posts

140 months

Sunday 10th July 2016
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Kvyat needs to get out of the Red Bull family and go it alone in another team to get his mojo. I can see him being dumped in favour of Pierre Gasly at the end of the year at this rate.

Redlake27

2,255 posts

243 months

Tuesday 12th July 2016
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It shows how mental approach and confidence is everything in F1.

Last year, he was strong on a few occasions (Monaco, Silverstone , Hungary being exceptional) and his drive in China was great. But, the team were right to take Max.

But we've seen many drivers bounce back from poor patches (Hamilton from a collision-strewn 2011, Grosjean in 2013). He needs a strong second half of the season. Some are talking of Red Bull trading Sainz with Renault to get cheaper engines, but I think Kyvat would be a good choice for Renault. They have a Russian sponsors and significant manufacturing investments (Lada) in the country. He could blossom there against Magnussen.

m444ttb

3,160 posts

228 months

Wednesday 13th July 2016
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joefraser said:
I think the point being made is others gave him that name, due to his tenacity/ approach to racing.

Now he's calling himself it. I can't see Ricciardo ever being a champion, same with Daniil. Sainz and Verstappen on the other hand have championships in their future.
Ricciardo is evidently very good, but full judgement reserved until I see him under the pressure of having a title winning car. Same with Verstappen. For sure that smile will slip a little as it did this season. Could be a better inter-team battle than 2014.

Jasandjules

Original Poster:

69,825 posts

228 months

Thursday 14th July 2016
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I am just hoping he has a few good races with no mistakes.

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Thursday 14th July 2016
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I think Kvyat is the weak link in Red Bull / Torro Rosso's current roster and I would think he was vulnerable to being turfed out in favour of Gasly. RB / TR have shown themselves to be utterly mercenary when it comes to throwing out great drivers in favour of potentially outstanding ones.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Saturday 16th July 2016
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Red Bull is abit of a toxic environment if you fall out of favour with Marko.

Verstappen is the money man - great for their PR - so he'll be pushed along, have mistakes forgiven, have 2nd or 3rd chances, the full might of Red Bull behind him, they'll put their arm around him and he'll be their poster boy for as long as he is interested - much like Vettel.

I dare say, in a completely neutral environment, they'll probably perform VERY close to each other.

jbudgie

8,843 posts

211 months

Saturday 16th July 2016
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Schermerhorn said:
Red Bull is abit of a toxic environment if you fall out of favour with Marko.


I dare say, in a completely neutral environment, they'll probably perform VERY close to each other.
That's about it.thumbup

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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Kvyat has taken out his team mate in Baku and at Silverstone. Generally sour faced and negative lately. Saintz is fed up of sharing Torro Rosso with him. Just what is keeping Kvyat in the team- Russian money?

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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Kyvat need to just move on. Formula E.

Yes he was demoted from the Red bull team but if he had performed he would still be there.

Verstappen is clearly the better driver as is Sainz.

He was lucky to be kept at all knowing how tough F1 is.


Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

151 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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His reasoning of Sainz shouldn't have been there when I hit him was the reasoning of a guilty child in my opinion.

These days he tends to wander round with a face like a smacked arse, moaning.


Dermot O'Logical

2,549 posts

128 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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It must be difficult to be a Toro Rosso driver at the best of times, given the fact that a drive for the "lesser" Red Bull team seems to have been a poisoned chalice for so many good drivers: Sebastian Buemi, Jean-Eric Vergne, Jaime Alguersuari, all cast aside despite showing some real promise. Helmut Marko doesn't appear to tolerate anything less than 100% from his junior drivers in particular, and I suspect that includes not acting like a sulky teenager in front of the press, and especially not crashing into your team-mate.

From the perspective of an outsider Kvyat hasn't delivered, and he's done more harm than good. Carlos Sainz, however, looks like the real deal, but the route into the "senior" Red Bull team is currently blocked, and either of the two incumbents can and will win races and get the results that the team needs.

The "Sainz to Renault" conspiracy theory seems to be gaining traction, but would Marko want to lose him? It's not hard to imagine that he would dispense with Kvyat without a second thought, and pave the way for whoever is the next cab off of the Red Bull rank. Would he do it mid-season? Didn't stop him switching Verstappen and Kvyat, so there's every chance we might see an early start to the next driver-go-round.

cuprabob

14,421 posts

213 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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It's never good when your nickname is the "The Torpedo"smile

He's had his chance and it didn't workout so I would say his F1 career is in it's twilight phase. As said above, Formula E beckons...

Evilex

512 posts

103 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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Don't know about his mojo, but I reckon he's lost his seat at STR.