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I'd be surprised if he stays at M Sport for next year. A return to Citroen would seem more likely, but who loses their seat at Citroen ? Breen ? Seems a tough decision on Craig.
Hyundai could be a really strong contender next year if Neuville, Mikkelsen and Sordo are their line up. Though Ogier, Meeke and another could be equally strong.
Hyundai could be a really strong contender next year if Neuville, Mikkelsen and Sordo are their line up. Though Ogier, Meeke and another could be equally strong.
Motorsport News arrives on Wednesdays and has all the big stories this week.
1......Citroen want a 2018 superteam of Loeb ,Ogier and Meeke.
If that happens ,how will Meeke compare to two multiple world champions ?
2.....With only 2 days to the 10th anniversary of the passing of Colin McRae ,MN tell a story ,supplied by David Richards that it
was entirely possible that he would return to Subaru/Prodrive for a WRC campaign in 2008.
A test was arranged for literally days after the accident happened and also Robert Reid was asked to go to the test and "possibly"
be Colin's co driver if he also wanted to return to WRC.
Subaru were in the doldrums in 2007 and Colin hadn't had a drive for some time either so it was a no brainer to try it out but never happened.
1......Citroen want a 2018 superteam of Loeb ,Ogier and Meeke.
If that happens ,how will Meeke compare to two multiple world champions ?
2.....With only 2 days to the 10th anniversary of the passing of Colin McRae ,MN tell a story ,supplied by David Richards that it
was entirely possible that he would return to Subaru/Prodrive for a WRC campaign in 2008.
A test was arranged for literally days after the accident happened and also Robert Reid was asked to go to the test and "possibly"
be Colin's co driver if he also wanted to return to WRC.
Subaru were in the doldrums in 2007 and Colin hadn't had a drive for some time either so it was a no brainer to try it out but never happened.
Exciting weekend for the sport; two close events decided by less than a second.
BRC Manx Rally with Keith Cronin claiming the BRC Title at the death over Frederik Ahlin.
And the ERC Roma Capitale Rally decided on the final stage with Bryan Bouffier overcoming Kajto Kaitenowicz. Sadly, neither had any live TV, which really in 2017 is a must.
BRC Manx Rally with Keith Cronin claiming the BRC Title at the death over Frederik Ahlin.
And the ERC Roma Capitale Rally decided on the final stage with Bryan Bouffier overcoming Kajto Kaitenowicz. Sadly, neither had any live TV, which really in 2017 is a must.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/131957/turkey-w...
Marvellous ......and still no NZ....and as for the early October date for RallyGB; ridiculous.
Marvellous ......and still no NZ....and as for the early October date for RallyGB; ridiculous.
Alex Langheck said:
Great article and written passionately. but the fia will just throw a Gallic shrug at it and that's that.Wasn't there a deal or something done not so long ago for the rotation of rally Aus and NZ?
Allyc85 said:
Not seen one positive reaction to the earlier GB date. It's never worked in the past and will just be another gravel event, with very little chance of any night stages. Rubbish.
earlier date Rally GB's have always been s
t. this one will be as you've said Ally. although given the st weather were getting here this week maybe it'll be muddy as usual if we get a repeat in 2018?!? Maybe next year will be the break from it I've been promising myself since it went north?No mention in here of Andreas being confirmed with Hyundai for 2 seasons this week. wonder who's seat hes taking. Sordo maybe, he is a bit of the grandfather of the wrc these days and the youngsters are starting to show him up. As much as i like Dani I think maybe it is time he stepped down to the 3rd shared car. this is all based on them keeping to a 3 car team and not using the 4 cars permitted next year?
Rally GB is this month and I'm down for in stage junctions on Myherin & Dyfnant. planning on taking my camping gear for the gap between the runs in there and getting a few hours sleep
there's got to be a better way of doing it than having these monster gaps, why not set them off earlier in the morning instead. hopefully there wont be any incidents putting the times back like there was last year.RyanTank said:
Rally GB is this month and I'm down for in stage junctions on Myherin & Dyfnant. planning on taking my camping gear for the gap between the runs in there and getting a few hours sleep there's got to be a better way of doing it than having these monster gaps, why not set them off earlier in the morning instead. hopefully there wont be any incidents putting the times back like there was last year.
Probably my biggest gripe with modern day WRC events; the 'dead time' in the middle of the day where nothing happens. We get 3-4 stages all close together, then a huge gap for regroup/ service/ tyres/ refuel, etc then the same stages repeated early-mid afternoon..then nothing until the next day. I agree, there's surely a better way of organising/ running events. there's got to be a better way of doing it than having these monster gaps, why not set them off earlier in the morning instead. hopefully there wont be any incidents putting the times back like there was last year.Saturday is going to be one fker of a day for me. Have to sign on by around 05:30 for first car to leave at 08:47 then pretty much 11hrs later were getting the 2nd run. Break it down to max 2hrs of run time for inernationals.
National cars have their own schedule it seems so will be entering Dyfnant at 13:37 and 2hrs for Nationals to run through. takes us to 3pm ish. 4 hrs later the internationals come back in. Sunset is estimated at 17:53 in Dyfnant. so why wait almost 2 hrs to send them back in!? besides if the weather is st then it'll be as good as dark by 5pm anyway.
I don't think it needs to be pitch black for night runs either. Last years dusk photos far outweighed the lights and glowing disks of the pitch black imho.
and lets not even go into the complaints previously received by drivers being blinded by super bright torches and camera flashes :rolleyse:
ker of a day for me. Have to sign on by around 05:30 for first car to leave at 08:47 then pretty much 11hrs later were getting the 2nd run. Break it down to max 2hrs of run time for inernationals. National cars have their own schedule it seems so will be entering Dyfnant at 13:37 and 2hrs for Nationals to run through. takes us to 3pm ish. 4 hrs later the internationals come back in. Sunset is estimated at 17:53 in Dyfnant. so why wait almost 2 hrs to send them back in!? besides if the weather is s
t then it'll be as good as dark by 5pm anyway.I don't think it needs to be pitch black for night runs either. Last years dusk photos far outweighed the lights and glowing disks of the pitch black imho.
and lets not even go into the complaints previously received by drivers being blinded by super bright torches and camera flashes :rolleyse:
RyanTank said:
Saturday is going to be one fker of a day for me. Have to sign on by around 05:30 for first car to leave at 08:47 then pretty much 11hrs later were getting the 2nd run. Break it down to max 2hrs of run time for inernationals.
And the guy who writes in Motorsport News wonders why events struggle to attract marshals!! ker of a day for me. Have to sign on by around 05:30 for first car to leave at 08:47 then pretty much 11hrs later were getting the 2nd run. Break it down to max 2hrs of run time for inernationals.DelicaL400 said:
And the guy who writes in Motorsport News wonders why events struggle to attract marshals!!
You don't know just how much they are struggling! I've been asked through my club if I can run a stop line on a stage this year as there's no one currently registered for it with timing experience. But we've also been requested by the stage commander to run a large spectator area and only have enough marshals attending to do the area. removing me and maybe 3 others to do stop line will leave the in stage sections short.Looks scarily like their going to have to fill more gaps with circuit marshals than last year at this rate.
The way Saturday is going i think shows the ones who are in it for the love of the sport and not just turning up for a free entry ticket and another bloody poorly stitched pair of gloves/beanie hat in the "goodie bags"
RyanTank said:
You don't know just how much they are struggling!
I'm involved in another form of motorsport and we're having the same issues. A few years ago we had a good core group of marshals, more than enough for what was required. They've got older, some have got ill, some lost enthusiasm and, sadly, some have passed away. And there are very few younger people coming through to replace them. We're now at the bare minimum and if we lose anymore events will be at risk of either not being run or run with a much reduced mileage. And then the competitors will moan and go and do something else and the sport will die. Silly stuff like having to sign on hours before first car and then having huge gaps between the action isn't going to encourage the next generation of marshals. Who wants to sit around in a forest in October for hours with nothing happening? There must be a better way.
DelicaL400 said:
I'm involved in another form of motorsport and we're having the same issues. A few years ago we had a good core group of marshals, more than enough for what was required. They've got older, some have got ill, some lost enthusiasm and, sadly, some have passed away. And there are very few younger people coming through to replace them.
I think its an issue for any form of motorsport that isn't track based. Exactly the same issue is affecting our club, were losing marshals as they cant be bothered to hang about like we have too, and many now chose to compete in autotests/gymkhanas in £50 scrap bound cars they can easily pick up on facebook/ebay to rag the arse off before sending it to the scrappy.It's becoming more and more obvious that track based events is were the MSA want motorsport to be held. Rallying sadly, seems to be on a slippery downward spiral for all sorts of reasons.....
People have got better things to be doing than hanging around in the middle of a damp, forest for hours on end; all for a thank you, and maybe a nice pen & mug/ bobble hat, etc It's 2017 - things have moved on.
People have got better things to be doing than hanging around in the middle of a damp, forest for hours on end; all for a thank you, and maybe a nice pen & mug/ bobble hat, etc It's 2017 - things have moved on.
lately it seems the MSA want rallying gone 
I don't criticise the packs handed out to us for volunteering, but when they cut back on basic stuff it does often leave us feeling like were not fully considered for our help.
Last year I marshalled for 2 days, different roles on each day, arrived to sign on first thing on Saturday and got handed a beanie hat and a badge. that was it, no programme no pens/whistles/marshal dangly or even a tabbard. when I enquired as to where my tabbard was I got told to use the one I had yesterday. So i said I wasn't running a timing control that day so should have a normal marshal tabbard to identify me as an official marshal (as is stated in the handbook) got a bunch of mumbling and off he trotted. came back empty handed and said they had run out of everything so "id just have to manage with what I've got" so I replied "but I've got nothing! I got bare bones given to me yesterday too." apparently under muffled breath it seems it wasn't his fking fault. Luckily one of the guys I was on a junction with had a spare event tabbard so i borrowed that when he eventually arrived. I'd already got bored of explaining that I wasn't lost and knew there wasn't a timing control to officiate mod stage
It really is becoming more and more of a shambles year after year it seems. When national and BRC events are better organised, staffed and supplied you really have to question whats going on in the FIA & MSA??
Notice too that they've handed Jock Armstrong a 6 month ban and £1000 fine for mooning a fellow competitor whilst on an event in August. Apparently it was photographed and published online and MSA got wind and decided to prosecute him :headbang:
I don't criticise the packs handed out to us for volunteering, but when they cut back on basic stuff it does often leave us feeling like were not fully considered for our help.
Last year I marshalled for 2 days, different roles on each day, arrived to sign on first thing on Saturday and got handed a beanie hat and a badge. that was it, no programme no pens/whistles/marshal dangly or even a tabbard. when I enquired as to where my tabbard was I got told to use the one I had yesterday. So i said I wasn't running a timing control that day so should have a normal marshal tabbard to identify me as an official marshal (as is stated in the handbook) got a bunch of mumbling and off he trotted. came back empty handed and said they had run out of everything so "id just have to manage with what I've got" so I replied "but I've got nothing! I got bare bones given to me yesterday too." apparently under muffled breath it seems it wasn't his f
king fault. Luckily one of the guys I was on a junction with had a spare event tabbard so i borrowed that when he eventually arrived. I'd already got bored of explaining that I wasn't lost and knew there wasn't a timing control to officiate mod stage It really is becoming more and more of a shambles year after year it seems. When national and BRC events are better organised, staffed and supplied you really have to question whats going on in the FIA & MSA??
Notice too that they've handed Jock Armstrong a 6 month ban and £1000 fine for mooning a fellow competitor whilst on an event in August. Apparently it was photographed and published online and MSA got wind and decided to prosecute him :headbang:
https://www.motorsport.com/world-rx/news/ford-back...
I wonder if the Ford Big Knobs have got round the table and yanked the iron out of the fire by making a return to the WRC?
I wonder if the Ford Big Knobs have got round the table and yanked the iron out of the fire by making a return to the WRC?
RyanTank said:
lately it seems the MSA want rallying gone
I don't criticise the packs handed out to us for volunteering, but when they cut back on basic stuff it does often leave us feeling like were not fully considered for our help.
Last year I marshalled for 2 days, different roles on each day, arrived to sign on first thing on Saturday and got handed a beanie hat and a badge. that was it, no programme no pens/whistles/marshal dangly or even a tabbard. when I enquired as to where my tabbard was I got told to use the one I had yesterday. So i said I wasn't running a timing control that day so should have a normal marshal tabbard to identify me as an official marshal (as is stated in the handbook) got a bunch of mumbling and off he trotted. came back empty handed and said they had run out of everything so "id just have to manage with what I've got" so I replied "but I've got nothing! I got bare bones given to me yesterday too." apparently under muffled breath it seems it wasn't his fking fault. Luckily one of the guys I was on a junction with had a spare event tabbard so i borrowed that when he eventually arrived. I'd already got bored of explaining that I wasn't lost and knew there wasn't a timing control to officiate mod stage
It really is becoming more and more of a shambles year after year it seems. When national and BRC events are better organised, staffed and supplied you really have to question whats going on in the FIA & MSA??
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The comments you raise have nothing to do with the MSA it is down to the club and their officials (who also have volunteered) perhaps if you did some more events you would begin to wonder how many mugs, beanie hats, pens whistles etc you actually need. Happy to except them as at least it shows somebody is thinking of the marshals, similarly I don't get upset if I don't get anything. I don't criticise the packs handed out to us for volunteering, but when they cut back on basic stuff it does often leave us feeling like were not fully considered for our help.
Last year I marshalled for 2 days, different roles on each day, arrived to sign on first thing on Saturday and got handed a beanie hat and a badge. that was it, no programme no pens/whistles/marshal dangly or even a tabbard. when I enquired as to where my tabbard was I got told to use the one I had yesterday. So i said I wasn't running a timing control that day so should have a normal marshal tabbard to identify me as an official marshal (as is stated in the handbook) got a bunch of mumbling and off he trotted. came back empty handed and said they had run out of everything so "id just have to manage with what I've got" so I replied "but I've got nothing! I got bare bones given to me yesterday too." apparently under muffled breath it seems it wasn't his f
king fault. Luckily one of the guys I was on a junction with had a spare event tabbard so i borrowed that when he eventually arrived. I'd already got bored of explaining that I wasn't lost and knew there wasn't a timing control to officiate mod stage It really is becoming more and more of a shambles year after year it seems. When national and BRC events are better organised, staffed and supplied you really have to question whats going on in the FIA & MSA??
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All registered marshal have this year received a pack with a tabard in. Lets face it you can buy one for £2.50 from screwfix.
RyanTank said:
lately it seems the MSA want rallying gone
Only lately?!The punishment for Jock is way too much I think. And in making it way too much it's now all over social media and even on the BBC News website. A couple of days ago very few people knew about it.
I wonder if they'll be taking action against the MSA-accredited photographer who took the picture and posted it on social media? Not the cleverest idea given the scrutiny rallying, particularly Scottish rallying, is currently under. Yes it was a prank and most in rallying know that mooning at your mates is a bit of a tradition. I doubt the Sheriff in charge of the FAI will see it that way though.
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