2017 Indianapolis 500
Discussion
Trabi601 said:
Noodle1982 said:
Very impressed and surprised with the whole thing. Definitely a new fan here.
You've watched the highlight of the season - as I've already posted, the super speedways are great, but they're only a minority of the calendar.It's like watching the Rider Cup and declaring that you're going to watch more golf in future. Reality is that the occasion is not matched by other events.
VGTICE said:
Of course you can't expect same level of excitement from road/street courses as what happens at super speedways but even the worst road courses are much more exciting than F1. I've watched every race this year and it's been as exciting as F1 was in late 80's/early 90's.
How do the 360 degree onboard cameras get on, on a street circuit?Having just watched the indy 500 where cars are doing 230MPH slipstreaming each other before pulling off on-the-limit overtakes without any DRS, I'm kind of losing interest in the "air is too dirty to follow" sport. Hamilton vs Rosberg kept it interesting enough I guess, but I was on the edge of my seat more in Alonso's last race than I was for the whole of last season combined. Even though I only knew the ex-F1 drivers.
It's no wonder F1 has such a poor profile in the US if that's the sort of thing the punters are used to seeing on race day. The only downside I could see is that the crashes seemed so horrific that it'd never be allowed in F1- they'd find a way to neuter it like they did the Masta kink and I guess the Mulsanne straight in endurance.
It's no wonder F1 has such a poor profile in the US if that's the sort of thing the punters are used to seeing on race day. The only downside I could see is that the crashes seemed so horrific that it'd never be allowed in F1- they'd find a way to neuter it like they did the Masta kink and I guess the Mulsanne straight in endurance.
VGTICE said:
Of course you can't expect same level of excitement from road/street courses as what happens at super speedways but even the worst road courses are much more exciting than F1. I've watched every race this year and it's been as exciting as F1 was in late 80's/early 90's.
That's what happens when you're essentially running a specification series.It's all very low tech. - 5 year old chassis with tightly specified 'off the shelf' aero kits and engines.
It's closer to GP2 / Formula 2 in concept - and that does produce some close racing.
glazbagun said:
Having just watched the indy 500 where cars are doing 230MPH slipstreaming each other before pulling off on-the-limit overtakes without any DRS, I'm kind of losing interest in the "air is too dirty to follow" sport.
To be fair, Indycar also use DRS aka P2P (push to pass) on non oval racetracks. But it's implemented as overboost on demand with drivers being able to activate it whenever for as long as they want but in total they have 200secs of it available during each race (small exception at a couple of race tracks where they have 150 secs). You can see when they activate it on the display above their head. It's much more straightforward and raw. And thanks to higher average age there aren't that many crybabies they simply get on with it.Wow, that 3 hours or so absolutely flew by, what a race and what a win for Sato! Normally I watch the start and end, but I was totally absorbed by this race.
Gutted for Alonso, but still a fantastic debut, hopefully he can go back next year.
Still can't get my head around the Dixon crash and how close we were to a horrible result. Kudos to Dallara!
Gutted for Alonso, but still a fantastic debut, hopefully he can go back next year.
Still can't get my head around the Dixon crash and how close we were to a horrible result. Kudos to Dallara!
glazbagun said:
Having just watched the indy 500 where cars are doing 230MPH slipstreaming each other before pulling off on-the-limit overtakes without any DRS, I'm kind of losing interest in the "air is too dirty to follow" sport.
The overtakes are still aero - just in this case they are traveling at enough speed in a straight line that the car in front is slowed more due to pushing the undisturbed air in front of it than the car behind it is slowed by dirty air. So of course there is no need for DRS as there is a natural one already. Which is why they often just pass each other to be passed again shortly after. I suspect F1 cars would be similar on a oval - albeit the cars are too different to each other that you'd probably get more spread out racing.NRS said:
glazbagun said:
Having just watched the indy 500 where cars are doing 230MPH slipstreaming each other before pulling off on-the-limit overtakes without any DRS, I'm kind of losing interest in the "air is too dirty to follow" sport.
The overtakes are still aero - just in this case they are traveling at enough speed in a straight line that the car in front is slowed more due to pushing the undisturbed air in front of it than the car behind it is slowed by dirty air. So of course there is no need for DRS as there is a natural one already. Which is why they often just pass each other to be passed again shortly after. I suspect F1 cars would be similar on a oval - albeit the cars are too different to each other that you'd probably get more spread out racing.skeggysteve said:
BT missed out big time by not selling one day passes.
Yep. Total own goal on their part. I appreciate the reasons given earlier in the thread for them using the model they do, but if they'd made the 500 available on a PPV basis they may well have found themselves with a ton of new subscribers wanting to get the rest of the Indy season.I had a lump in my throat when Sato crossed the line, fantastic win! I remember being so upset when he spooned it into the wall in 2012 - he should have won that so I'm glad he has got some vindication. He's been damn quick all through quali and the race.
Just a note about the BT Sport coverage to new viewers of Indycar. It was awful, Suzi Perry doesn't have a clue, Mike Conway is a great driver, (ex Indycar, GP2 and current WEC Toyota LMP1 driver), but not an overly exciting pundit, and don't even get me started on the other guy. They cut to the US feed too late and missed the fly pasts, the national anthem and the famous "gentlemen start your engines" speech, which is all part of the atmosphere.
Usually they don't have a studio setting and just take the US feed direct and have English commentary audio cut in during the adverts from Keith Collantine, Ben Evans / Ollie Webb (100x better than what we had to listen to from the studio) and keep the direct feed pictures.
Anyway, great to see everyone is more or less ok, Dixon is the coolest Kiwi in town and Taku, this day - you are the man!
Just a note about the BT Sport coverage to new viewers of Indycar. It was awful, Suzi Perry doesn't have a clue, Mike Conway is a great driver, (ex Indycar, GP2 and current WEC Toyota LMP1 driver), but not an overly exciting pundit, and don't even get me started on the other guy. They cut to the US feed too late and missed the fly pasts, the national anthem and the famous "gentlemen start your engines" speech, which is all part of the atmosphere.
Usually they don't have a studio setting and just take the US feed direct and have English commentary audio cut in during the adverts from Keith Collantine, Ben Evans / Ollie Webb (100x better than what we had to listen to from the studio) and keep the direct feed pictures.
Anyway, great to see everyone is more or less ok, Dixon is the coolest Kiwi in town and Taku, this day - you are the man!
Congrats to Sato.
I'm stoked and pleased he won. I've been a fan of his even since he raced in Brit F3 and was exciting to watch. Lairy in F1 but really showed his worth when he was at Super Aguri - people forget he hauled the off the back of the grid on race starts; passing Alonso on the outside into the chicane in Canada 2007. Inconsistant but there's a good driver waiting to come out and be more consistant - he won for AJ Foyt in Brazil some years ago.
Admittedly I thought he was going to either win it or bin it! He held his nerve having Helio - an Indy 500 legend - right behind him.
Andretti Autosport were the class of the field. Alonso could have won this race. Chilton reckoned he lost out because he didn't have the draft but he will need to watch the last ten laps let alone the last 50 as Sato had the quickest car. Max did well to hold off Sato, Sato lost momentum and it gave HCN the incentive to lead. Sato blasting by HCN down the straightaway tells all you needed to know about Sato/AA/Honda.
I'm stoked and pleased he won. I've been a fan of his even since he raced in Brit F3 and was exciting to watch. Lairy in F1 but really showed his worth when he was at Super Aguri - people forget he hauled the off the back of the grid on race starts; passing Alonso on the outside into the chicane in Canada 2007. Inconsistant but there's a good driver waiting to come out and be more consistant - he won for AJ Foyt in Brazil some years ago.
Admittedly I thought he was going to either win it or bin it! He held his nerve having Helio - an Indy 500 legend - right behind him.
Andretti Autosport were the class of the field. Alonso could have won this race. Chilton reckoned he lost out because he didn't have the draft but he will need to watch the last ten laps let alone the last 50 as Sato had the quickest car. Max did well to hold off Sato, Sato lost momentum and it gave HCN the incentive to lead. Sato blasting by HCN down the straightaway tells all you needed to know about Sato/AA/Honda.
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