BTCC - Oulton Park - Rounds 10, 11, 12

BTCC - Oulton Park - Rounds 10, 11, 12

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Markbarry1977

4,027 posts

102 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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I think if I was cook I would be assisting shedden off at the next race.

Maybe whisper in his (shedden) ear that I (cook) have no chance of winning the championship and if you punt me off again I will make sure you have no chance of winning it either.

steve-5snwi

8,592 posts

92 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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But withthe exception of neal most drivers seem fairly well behaved. Even collard appears to use his mirrors and brakes
I would rather Turks stays otherwise I won't have anyone else to support well maybe Matt Jackson

In the post race interview shedden said the focus braked...

99hjhm

426 posts

185 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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steve-5snwi said:
In the post race interview shedden said the focus braked...
Tends to happen before cars go round a corner? lol

acer12

959 posts

173 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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rscott said:
Looks like the Subaru has about the right amount of power if it can hold off those BMWs for so long.
Especially when Subaru is running full weight and BMW no weight!

oobster

7,065 posts

210 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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Whilst I wouldn't say I was a Shedden fan I do normally have a bit of respect about how he goes about his racing (especially in comparison to M Neal) but that was a dick move on Cook today.

Janesy B

2,625 posts

185 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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I normally tire of the Honda bashing but Shedden was a complete arse in the third race and should have been excluded from the result. If you end someone's race, yours should be over too.

rallycross

12,746 posts

236 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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oobster said:
Whilst I wouldn't say I was a Shedden fan I do normally have a bit of respect about how he goes about his racing (especially in comparison to M Neal) but that was a dick move on Cook today.
I'd agree with this 100% but today's repeated attack on the rear of Cooks car should have resulted in disqualification or at least significant penalty down the results (30 seconds?).

I only drive in low level saloon car racing but if I repeatedly punted the car in front up the backside I'd expect points and loss of results.

indigorallye

555 posts

224 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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Cook was very lucky that the broken rear suspension managed to get him round Old Hall (could have been very nasty) and that when it did give way, at Cascades, that there was plenty of run off.

rallycross

12,746 posts

236 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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Crafty_ said:
fking hell, he just blamed Cook for that. What a twunt.
Sheddon should be excluded from race 3 results for repeatedly ramming Cooks Focus, what is wrong with the clerk of the course today?

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

162 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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indigorallye said:
Cook was very lucky that the broken rear suspension managed to get him round Old Hall (could have been very nasty) and that when it did give way, at Cascades, that there was plenty of run off.
Agree.
Viewers could see it was broken and he was about to turn into a fast left.

Could've ended up anywhere.

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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rallycross said:
Crafty_ said:
fking hell, he just blamed Cook for that. What a twunt.
Sheddon should be excluded from race 3 results for repeatedly ramming Cooks Focus, what is wrong with the clerk of the course today?
From what was a pretty dull day of BTCC races in a season that has been a bit mundane I suspect TOCA are trying to liven it up with a bit of controversy.

The official BTCC forum is dead, the threads here are much shorter than they were a few years ago. Interest in these guys playing bumpers cars is waning imho.

Shedden was given a verbal warning, I don't think that even counts to the "three strikes and you're out" thing they do. Its a joke.

Speed Badger

2,667 posts

116 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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Wow. Shedden received a 'verbal warning' for his collision(s) with Cook. Stern stuff, good example setting there.

DanielSan

18,745 posts

166 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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Crafty_ said:
From what was a pretty dull day of BTCC races in a season that has been a bit mundane I suspect TOCA are trying to liven it up with a bit of controversy.

The official BTCC forum is dead, the threads here are much shorter than they were a few years ago. Interest in these guys playing bumpers cars is waning imho.

Shedden was given a verbal warning, I don't think that even counts to the "three strikes and you're out" thing they do. Its a joke.
Given the crowds at Oulton yesterday it's safe to say that you couldn't be more wrong about interest in the BTCC waning.

Not even sure how you can class this season as mundane unless you happen to be a bitter Plato fan anyway.

As for the Subaru boost increase it can only be described as massive! Suttons car was gapping the Honda's and the BMW's down the straights yesterday even with weight on the car during the second race. One thought did occur yesterday though, it's Ford and Subaru who've had to have assisted power increases with their engines, both of which are built by Mountune....

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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DanielSan said:
Given the crowds at Oulton yesterday it's safe to say that you couldn't be more wrong about interest in the BTCC waning.

Not even sure how you can class this season as mundane unless you happen to be a bitter Plato fan anyway.
rofl

Touch a nerve did I ?

Were you on the edge of your seat yesterday watching all the moves and action then ?
No, because there was very little.

The support races have provided much better entertainment this year than the touring car races, unless your thing is watching cars get beaten in to each other and/or barriers.


Wh00sher

1,587 posts

217 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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I love Oulton as a driving circuit but it just doesn`t seem to promote great racing in my opinion frown. The BTCC has been the same there for the last few years, it was even worse when they tried the full international circuit the other year.

Saying that, I enjoyed Sunday watching all the races but good grief, Sheddon isn`t the racer he used to be. frown Get a car defending well ? Just punt him out of the way and drive on by with impunity....

You KNOW if Turkington is following he`ll do all he can to pass without incident but sadly he`s in a minority of the `top` drivers in the series.

Deegan seems to be pretty accident prone in the Clios, certainly looks to be driving it hard from what you can see on the TV. Just bad luck or was he like that in the previous series he raced in?


I watch all the Aussie V8 Supercar races and they get jumped on with immediate penalties from the stewards for less contact than in the BTCC but still manage to have cracking races !

DanielSan

18,745 posts

166 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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Crafty_ said:
rofl

Touch a nerve did I ?

Were you on the edge of your seat yesterday watching all the moves and action then ?
No, because there was very little.

The support races have provided much better entertainment this year than the touring car races, unless your thing is watching cars get beaten in to each other and/or barriers.
Not quite sure how you come to that conclusion or why you're laughing? Standard PH reaction when someone has a different viewpoint, try to belittle their opinion because it's not your own.

I didn't need to be on the edge of any seat, I was there... Plenty of action in every race yesterday at least there was where I was stood anyway.

It's a lot easier to see when you're there and not behind a keyboard though.

MG CHRIS

9,077 posts

166 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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DanielSan said:
Crafty_ said:
rofl

Touch a nerve did I ?

Were you on the edge of your seat yesterday watching all the moves and action then ?
No, because there was very little.

The support races have provided much better entertainment this year than the touring car races, unless your thing is watching cars get beaten in to each other and/or barriers.
Not quite sure how you come to that conclusion or why you're laughing? Standard PH reaction when someone has a different viewpoint, try to belittle their opinion because it's not your own.

I didn't need to be on the edge of any seat, I was there... Plenty of action in every race yesterday at least there was where I was stood anyway.

It's a lot easier to see when you're there and not behind a keyboard though.
Ignore him he's been banging on about the btcc for years about how bad it is. For someone that that doesn't like it he does seem to pop up the moment a questionable move comes up then says its all crap.

iguana

7,025 posts

259 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2017
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Shedden is just such a greasy little weasel.

greeny12

300 posts

218 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2017
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Haven't there been new penalties introduced for 'push to pass' this season or am I dreaming?

If they have, then TOCA might as well scrap them because after Shedden's assault went unpunished the stewards don't have a leg to stand on going forwards.

Ridiculous.

The Wookie

13,909 posts

227 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2017
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They brought it in but there doesn't seem to be any meaningful enforcement

With it now being so close (little over a second covering the whole 32 car field in qualifying) if you get backed up by someone into the following pack then you're basically waiting for the next 'punter' to barge their way through to your back bumper and past you, and if it happens at the wrong moment then you can easily lose 5 or 6 places in one go.

People are still getting away with punting (with at worst a verbal warning) so making your way through the pack becomes a matter of who can get away with what. Also because the races are short and there isn't live footage from all the cars you're relying on team complaints to report things, and with their being so many complaints there is then inevitably a lot of marginal stuff that just gets ignored like crowding off the track and making more than one move to block.

All in all when you're constantly on the receiving end of it it's bloody tempting to take a view of 'if you can't beat them join them'. In a way the verbal warning and three strikes system has made it worse, as where significant 'instant justice' penalties like grid drops and fines were being dished out they're now effectively getting away with two offences without any consequence before a third. Then they also usually whinge that they didn't deserve one of the three offences because it wasn't as bad as the other two (or what they've been on the receiving end of with other people who have had verbal warnings).

Personally I don't even mind a bit of light tactical push to pass as, love it or hate it, it's always been a part of touring car racing. However the cars are harder to unstick than they used to be and some drivers are clumsy or let it deteriorate into hitting someone harder and harder until you've made the move stick, or generally just aiming at you and smashing the crap out of the side of your car on the way past.

If it makes you feel any better though, while I'd never claim to be able to throw the first stone over the course of my career, I got the most overtakes of the weekend I think (definitely the most in the independents) and I didn't barge anyone at any point, in fact the only time I slightly misjudged a move and made contact heavy enough to put another car out of shape I backed out to let him have it back and apologised after the race.