BTCC - Oulton Park - Rounds 10, 11, 12
Discussion
Wh00sher said:
Deegan seems to be pretty accident prone in the Clios, certainly looks to be driving it hard from what you can see on the TV. Just bad luck or was he like that in the previous series he raced in?
Excluded from the results, and given points too. (I believe he also took a swing at Paul Rivett.....!)lucido grigio said:
Moving on from the barging ,not much has been said about Moffat and his clumsy moves in Races 1 and 3 out of the hairpin
first race puts Ash Sutton way onto the grass and third race ends up binning himself and Newsham was the innocent party ??
I agree, nice bit of karma for him in race 3.first race puts Ash Sutton way onto the grass and third race ends up binning himself and Newsham was the innocent party ??
lucido grigio said:
Moving on from the barging ,not much has been said about Moffat and his clumsy moves in Races 1 and 3 out of the hairpin
first race puts Ash Sutton way onto the grass and third race ends up binning himself and Newsham was the innocent party ??
He looked really out of it all day though to be fair even race 2 he was mostly just a calamity. It's like he was pissed first race puts Ash Sutton way onto the grass and third race ends up binning himself and Newsham was the innocent party ??
DanielSan said:
He looked really out of it all day though to be fair even race 2 he was mostly just a calamity. It's like he was pissed
Don't judge others by your own standards. You obviously didn't see Race 1. Were you "too pissed" by any chance?Sutton wouldn't have got past Moffat if the Subaru wasn't enjoying the benefit of the weekend's second BMR boost increase. Once Sutton got past, Moffat could not chase, his car was simply not powerful enough, despite this being "apparently" a "performance-balanced" race series.
Not just my opinion though, many of the teams are up in arms about this and talking about a protest at Croft. I hope that does not happen, but they are all talking about it.
I've finally caught up. Yes driving standards appear to be a bit worse all round this year and if all infractions were penalised we'd have no races at all.
But, Shedden's punt on Cook appeared (to my eyes at least) to indicate a whole new level of cynicism. If something like that isn't going to be punished I think there ought to be an explanation from the stewards. Just so we punters know where things stand and can understand the regs.
But, Shedden's punt on Cook appeared (to my eyes at least) to indicate a whole new level of cynicism. If something like that isn't going to be punished I think there ought to be an explanation from the stewards. Just so we punters know where things stand and can understand the regs.
Sebring440 said:
Don't judge others by your own standards. You obviously didn't see Race 1. Were you "too pissed" by any chance?
Sutton wouldn't have got past Moffat if the Subaru wasn't enjoying the benefit of the weekend's second BMR boost increase. Once Sutton got past, Moffat could not chase, his car was simply not powerful enough, despite this being "apparently" a "performance-balanced" race series.
Not just my opinion though, many of the teams are up in arms about this and talking about a protest at Croft. I hope that does not happen, but they are all talking about it.
It's a joke not a dick don't take it so hard... Sutton wouldn't have got past Moffat if the Subaru wasn't enjoying the benefit of the weekend's second BMR boost increase. Once Sutton got past, Moffat could not chase, his car was simply not powerful enough, despite this being "apparently" a "performance-balanced" race series.
Not just my opinion though, many of the teams are up in arms about this and talking about a protest at Croft. I hope that does not happen, but they are all talking about it.
The Subaru was a complete joke at Oulton. I watched that car gap the Hona and BMW down the straights with 75kgs on the damn thing! No way can TOCA seriously leave the boost levels as they are on that car given the performance equalisation is taken from days of the fastest car in the team.
In the same way Rob Collard having the fastest reactions on the grid from the start line is a large part of the reason the BM's are so hampered off the start there's no way that Subaru can justifiably keep its boost level with such a massive speed advantage.
acer12 said:
How can he say “The car still can’t quite do what a Honda and a BMW can do because it hasn’t got the same power.” when the ballasted Subaru can pull away from an unladen BMW?Which unladen BMW did Sutton pull away from? I'm struggling to remember if there were any light BMW's near him in race 1 but please correct me if I'm wrong. Jordan was fully laden in race 2 while the Subaru was lighter and it seemed to me that if it wasn't for Sutton's defensive masterclass in race 3, Turkington would have been up the road. Credit must also go to Turkington for resisting the urge to punt the Subaru out of the way.
Ash Sutton well done; showed what the car can do ( pre boost increase and post).
Plato potato still struggling to understand why!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129782...
Plato potato still struggling to understand why!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129782...
rallycross said:
Ash Sutton well done; showed what the car can do ( pre boost increase and post).
Plato potato still struggling to understand why!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129782...
He was blaming the repairs to the car that he damaged, so now he's going to steal his team mate's car. Sutton will be off to another team next year, Plato just can't handle a competitive team mate.Plato potato still struggling to understand why!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129782...
DanielSan said:
Heavy only testing Sutton's car to see if they can understand what's up with his isn't he?
From what I have read, he is testing in Sutton's car alongside his to understand why he is having more problems in his own. I don't think the plan is for him to pinch Sutton's car, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did 
So if I am understanding the issues correctly here is a high level summary of the situation;
BMR who are a large racing team are running Subaru's BTCC entry. This was a deal negotiated by Plato so there is obviously plenty in it for him and he is taking a nice big slice of the pie which helps him fly back and forth to each circuit in his multi million pound chopper.
Plato had his big crash at the first weekend in Brands. They repaired the shell and since then (5 complete rounds have taken place) Plato has been massively off the pace and the latest of his 25 different excuses offered up is that the shell seems to be the main culprit and he wants to try out Suttons to compare against.
Rumour has it that BMR have funding issues, this is backed up by the fact that they have continued to enter a bent car for 5 successive weekends for their top named driver. Surely they would have budgeted a few shells for the season, after all they have 4 cars entered so a write off was inevitable at some stage.
Has Plato carved too much of the sponsorship deal for himself meaning that the team is struggling?
Does Plato need to swallow some pride and inject some of the sponsorship cash back to the team? His stock has fallen hugely over the past few races where his team mate is thriving which is making people question whether he still has it, series is managing just fine with him down the back (contrary to many peoples thoughts), Subaru are now managing to get some exposure thanks to Sutton. I cant see Plato being able to approach another manufacture with a business case for them to fund him as a main driver with the selling point being that he will win races and get the TV interviews as this clearly has not happened this year.
According to the rumours last year Plato had a say in Turkington moving on as Plato didnt like playing 2nd fiddle, he should be bloody relived that they have Sutton this year or I wouldn't be surprised if Subaru were thinking about pulling the plug.
BMR who are a large racing team are running Subaru's BTCC entry. This was a deal negotiated by Plato so there is obviously plenty in it for him and he is taking a nice big slice of the pie which helps him fly back and forth to each circuit in his multi million pound chopper.
Plato had his big crash at the first weekend in Brands. They repaired the shell and since then (5 complete rounds have taken place) Plato has been massively off the pace and the latest of his 25 different excuses offered up is that the shell seems to be the main culprit and he wants to try out Suttons to compare against.
Rumour has it that BMR have funding issues, this is backed up by the fact that they have continued to enter a bent car for 5 successive weekends for their top named driver. Surely they would have budgeted a few shells for the season, after all they have 4 cars entered so a write off was inevitable at some stage.
Has Plato carved too much of the sponsorship deal for himself meaning that the team is struggling?
Does Plato need to swallow some pride and inject some of the sponsorship cash back to the team? His stock has fallen hugely over the past few races where his team mate is thriving which is making people question whether he still has it, series is managing just fine with him down the back (contrary to many peoples thoughts), Subaru are now managing to get some exposure thanks to Sutton. I cant see Plato being able to approach another manufacture with a business case for them to fund him as a main driver with the selling point being that he will win races and get the TV interviews as this clearly has not happened this year.
According to the rumours last year Plato had a say in Turkington moving on as Plato didnt like playing 2nd fiddle, he should be bloody relived that they have Sutton this year or I wouldn't be surprised if Subaru were thinking about pulling the plug.
DanielSan said:
To be fair on the damage argument quite a few teams have rebuilt shells without jigging them
Where do you get this stuff from?Why would a professional team compromise things by not jigging the shell after a major impact? It's the first thing they do.
Tell us one instance that you know of. "Apparently" doesn't cut it.
Sebring440 said:
Where do you get this stuff from?
Why would a professional team compromise things by not jigging the shell after a major impact? It's the first thing they do.
Tell us one instance that you know of. "Apparently" doesn't cut it.
I was wondering this, nearly all of the comments here are based on heresay. Why would a professional team compromise things by not jigging the shell after a major impact? It's the first thing they do.
Tell us one instance that you know of. "Apparently" doesn't cut it.
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