Incredible near miss in German F4
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Having done a little marshalling, what put me off is the complete disregard a lot of drivers have for flags. It's not uncommon to see drivers in a 4 wheel drift around a corner, the 2nd lap it's been under a yellow. 1st lap might catch you out, 2nd lap = t
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What I think we'll end up seeing eventually is more of the virtual safety car/code 60 type rules. As drivers can't be trusted to behave under flags, control will eventually be taken away from them at those points in the race.
t.What I think we'll end up seeing eventually is more of the virtual safety car/code 60 type rules. As drivers can't be trusted to behave under flags, control will eventually be taken away from them at those points in the race.
The Wookie said:
I just about spotted a red light on a gantry and a flag off to the left ahead of where the stranded cars were. She clearly saw the red light as she's more or less backed off and coasting although it looks like she's still going at a fair rate.
You can see a flag on the right hand side of the first corner in the vid, but, it's obvious when you're playing Where's Wally.Either way that car shouldn't have been broadside on the track!
Munter said:
Having done a little marshalling, what put me off is the complete disregard a lot of drivers have for flags. It's not uncommon to see drivers in a 4 wheel drift around a corner, the 2nd lap it's been under a yellow. 1st lap might catch you out, 2nd lap = tt.
What I think we'll end up seeing eventually is more of the virtual safety car/code 60 type rules. As drivers can't be trusted to behave under flags, control will eventually be taken away from them at those points in the race.
Frankly I'd welcome it, with yellow flags under race conditions it's too open to interpretation and some drivers are more willing than others to push their luck in order to gain an advantage.t.What I think we'll end up seeing eventually is more of the virtual safety car/code 60 type rules. As drivers can't be trusted to behave under flags, control will eventually be taken away from them at those points in the race.
My experience of the Code 60 is that it quite simply didn't work in terms of slowing everyone to the same speed. From a marshals point of view (which is perhaps really the main point in terms of safety) all the cars were traveling at a significantly reduced speed, but from a drivers position, several cars went by a number of flags before slowing down. I slowed at the first flag, but by the time I got my dash to read in KPH, I realised that I was still doing about 90KPH! I will confess to never going below about 70KPH, but by the time the green flags came out, there was a queue of cars behind me that hadn't been there before.
From a safety for Marshals viewpoint, the system works, but unless the CoC reviews all the TSL data and penalises anyone going over 60 (+ maybe 10%?) after about 1/2 a lap, it completely ruins the races.
Also on slicks, they go cold very quickly as do the brakes, so when the green flags come out, the next few corners are very interesting!!!
From a safety for Marshals viewpoint, the system works, but unless the CoC reviews all the TSL data and penalises anyone going over 60 (+ maybe 10%?) after about 1/2 a lap, it completely ruins the races.
Also on slicks, they go cold very quickly as do the brakes, so when the green flags come out, the next few corners are very interesting!!!
ADAC have form with regard to 'emergency' vehicles on track.
A few years ago at Brands Hatch DTM (run by ADAC) a 4x4 towed a broken down car across a live track right in front of oncoming traffic.
I was marshalling at Druids and we could see across the infield as it crossed the track into pit exit. Sharp intake of breath - it looked close.
Kim
A few years ago at Brands Hatch DTM (run by ADAC) a 4x4 towed a broken down car across a live track right in front of oncoming traffic.
I was marshalling at Druids and we could see across the infield as it crossed the track into pit exit. Sharp intake of breath - it looked close.
Kim
p1stonhead said:
She's been fined £5000 for putting the video on the internet. wkers.
https://www.motorsport.com/formula4/news/floersch-...
Not wkers. https://www.motorsport.com/formula4/news/floersch-...
kers, Germans. They love censorship.Just some observations on the poor quality video footage .
Very little evidence of red flags /lights , very little evidence of yellow stationary or waved flags at or prior to the incident, no evidence of white flags to show track vehicles or slow moving vehicles.
The rev counter display doesn't show a significant reduction in throttle effort or revs .
The track vehicle certainly should not have been on a live circuit and should not have been crossing the track until on circuit race cars were under the control of race officials.
Judging by the lack of spectators and trackside officials was this a race day ?
Could the SUV be a mobile marshalling crew rather than a full intervention vehicle.
Very little evidence of red flags /lights , very little evidence of yellow stationary or waved flags at or prior to the incident, no evidence of white flags to show track vehicles or slow moving vehicles.
The rev counter display doesn't show a significant reduction in throttle effort or revs .
The track vehicle certainly should not have been on a live circuit and should not have been crossing the track until on circuit race cars were under the control of race officials.
Judging by the lack of spectators and trackside officials was this a race day ?
Could the SUV be a mobile marshalling crew rather than a full intervention vehicle.
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