Race of Remembrance 2017 who's in?
Discussion
Relay teams are going to be severely limited next year. There were around 17 from memory this year.
It'll be 50 cars on the grid for RoR18. Staying 12hrs. Same format over weekend.
Massive uplift to food, matey boy this year was awful in extremis and badly let us down. He won't be back.
Classes tbc.
We've taken a lot of feedback onboard for who can win what. Next year relays can't win ghe event, just their relay class.
All tbc.
It'll be 50 cars on the grid for RoR18. Staying 12hrs. Same format over weekend.
Massive uplift to food, matey boy this year was awful in extremis and badly let us down. He won't be back.
Classes tbc.
We've taken a lot of feedback onboard for who can win what. Next year relays can't win ghe event, just their relay class.
All tbc.
I have no issue with relay teams being there. They really add a different element to the event. But my feeling was they were given a massive advantage by the regs as they stand and I think this is shown by the results.
I think dropping the minimum number of pit stops to 6 would even things up a bit at least but they'll always have the advantage of being able to run flat out and not lose time to mechanical issues.
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Dan
I think dropping the minimum number of pit stops to 6 would even things up a bit at least but they'll always have the advantage of being able to run flat out and not lose time to mechanical issues.
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Dan
benjj said:
Relay teams are going to be severely limited next year. There were around 17 from memory this year.
It'll be 50 cars on the grid for RoR18. Staying 12hrs. Same format over weekend.
Massive uplift to food, matey boy this year was awful in extremis and badly let us down. He won't be back.
Classes tbc.
We've taken a lot of feedback onboard for who can win what. Next year relays can't win ghe event, just their relay class.
All tbc.
It’s seems that the relay teams are going to be penalised very heavily for performing very well this year. Had the Lotus that took the early lead won the event I’m pretty sure none of the single car entries would have been on to you complaining about being beaten by little ol’ Caterhams. That Lotus had more than enough pace to win the event but from what I gather it crashed. Relays can’t win the ‘Heroes’ trophy and now they can’t win overall. It'll be 50 cars on the grid for RoR18. Staying 12hrs. Same format over weekend.
Massive uplift to food, matey boy this year was awful in extremis and badly let us down. He won't be back.
Classes tbc.
We've taken a lot of feedback onboard for who can win what. Next year relays can't win ghe event, just their relay class.
All tbc.
As a couple on here have said would it not be better to think about some of the regs I.e. reduce amount of pit stops rather than potentially alienate the many relay competitors?
FWIW I haven't complained about the relay teams at all and I am more than happy to have them there but think the regs need a tweak. All I have said is that it's not proper endurance racing.
We didn't have the pace to win the race as we only had one fast driver out of four.
I certainly don't think relay teams should be discouraged as I think they will struggle for grid numbers without them but it does need to be more fair between them and single car teams. It is clear there was a massive advantage for relay teams this year so tweaking the regs would help solve this.
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Dan
We didn't have the pace to win the race as we only had one fast driver out of four.
I certainly don't think relay teams should be discouraged as I think they will struggle for grid numbers without them but it does need to be more fair between them and single car teams. It is clear there was a massive advantage for relay teams this year so tweaking the regs would help solve this.
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Dan
Not all relay teams have an advantage and not all can run flat out without reliability issues, we were at 90% in the cars and went through 3 engine mounts, one engine, one bonnet pin (and thus a bonnet, roof and wings) and a radiator!
I'll grant you if we had been a single car team then that would have been that when the engine went but when you consider the team who followed us home P2 in class finished only 2 laps down (and we lent them parts and help in the spirit of the event) then really our only advantage was better timed pit stops. They also run endurance in their cars so they are setup for it, ours run sprints, one car was finished just as scrutineering started (we were still wiring in the rain light when they came round) one car had been finished the week before because it required a new engine and it hadn't raced since RoR 2016 and was completely untested and the third car had just returned from the Nürburgring as one of the guys is doing his VLN stuff to do a 24hr there next year! We really weren't very well prepared
we got lucky truth be told!
Still a great weekend and if we cant relay in 2018 we wont worry about it, we'll just get stuck in and maybe a little more prepared
I'll grant you if we had been a single car team then that would have been that when the engine went but when you consider the team who followed us home P2 in class finished only 2 laps down (and we lent them parts and help in the spirit of the event) then really our only advantage was better timed pit stops. They also run endurance in their cars so they are setup for it, ours run sprints, one car was finished just as scrutineering started (we were still wiring in the rain light when they came round) one car had been finished the week before because it required a new engine and it hadn't raced since RoR 2016 and was completely untested and the third car had just returned from the Nürburgring as one of the guys is doing his VLN stuff to do a 24hr there next year! We really weren't very well prepared
we got lucky truth be told!Still a great weekend and if we cant relay in 2018 we wont worry about it, we'll just get stuck in and maybe a little more prepared
Dan BSCS said:
FWIW I haven't complained about the relay teams at all and I am more than happy to have them there but think the regs need a tweak. All I have said is that it's not proper endurance racing.
We didn't have the pace to win the race as we only had one fast driver out of four.
I certainly don't think relay teams should be discouraged as I think they will struggle for grid numbers without them but it does need to be more fair between them and single car teams. It is clear there was a massive advantage for relay teams this year so tweaking the regs would help solve this.
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Dan
Dan, didn’t mean to imply you were doing the complaining, merely used your car as an example as it was pretty rapid, certainly when I was out at the start anyway. We didn't have the pace to win the race as we only had one fast driver out of four.
I certainly don't think relay teams should be discouraged as I think they will struggle for grid numbers without them but it does need to be more fair between them and single car teams. It is clear there was a massive advantage for relay teams this year so tweaking the regs would help solve this.
/2p
Dan
From what Benjj has said it is pretty discouraging for relay teams although I’m sure and hopeful a happy medium will be found. Relay teams absolutely should be able to win overall, it’s down to those creating the regs to make sure it’s not one sided one way or another.
Yes, a good balance is all that is needed.
Yes our car is very fast but it's not possible to run at that pace for 12 hours with one car, even if we had the drivers are capable of it. In reality our car wasn't much quicker than the other Lotus cars. We just had a very exceptional driver in it making it look better than it really is. If Rob Boston had been driving in his entry they would have been within a couple of tenths of us, as he was earlier in the year at Anglesey. It is only a 185bhp K series and weighs in at nearly 800kg after all.
RoR is a great event and I'm looking forward to next year with a level playing field and hopefully two cars running and looking forward to taking the fight to you quick Caterham boys.
Dan
Yes our car is very fast but it's not possible to run at that pace for 12 hours with one car, even if we had the drivers are capable of it. In reality our car wasn't much quicker than the other Lotus cars. We just had a very exceptional driver in it making it look better than it really is. If Rob Boston had been driving in his entry they would have been within a couple of tenths of us, as he was earlier in the year at Anglesey. It is only a 185bhp K series and weighs in at nearly 800kg after all.
RoR is a great event and I'm looking forward to next year with a level playing field and hopefully two cars running and looking forward to taking the fight to you quick Caterham boys.
Dan
Hello all, just a cheeky bump to say that enrties for RoR18 opened last week, loads of enquiries so don't suspect we'll struggle to fill the 50 slots - which is pretty incredible for a clubman race at the edge of the world in winter!
Have a look at www.raceofremembrance.com for more - entry forms are there, as is a new FAQ page listing what potential competitors may want to know.
Lastly Nick Trott at Motorsport Magazine made a film following his entry last year - he's already booked in again for this year which is ace! You can watch it on the ror site linked above.
Cheers all,
Ben
Have a look at www.raceofremembrance.com for more - entry forms are there, as is a new FAQ page listing what potential competitors may want to know.
Lastly Nick Trott at Motorsport Magazine made a film following his entry last year - he's already booked in again for this year which is ace! You can watch it on the ror site linked above.
Cheers all,
Ben
geeks said:
Top job, we are entered already!
Confused about the relay stuff, so we cant win overall (we couldn't anyway) but can win relay and class or just relay?
Top work!Confused about the relay stuff, so we cant win overall (we couldn't anyway) but can win relay and class or just relay?
Re relays - essentially it means that relay entries can't win the single big gong, winner of RoR. As the grid is primarily made up of single car endurance entries, and we know some have stayed away as they perceived it as unfair competing against relay teams (which we agree with), we've separated them. Relay entries can win overall relay and within class (assuming more than 5 class compatible cars are entered). If that makes sense. Ish!
We'll be there again. With two Exiges this time. We have drives available at very reasonable prices in a car that is clearly capable of winning. 
I particularly liked this bit on the website....
"This year Mission Motorsport, BARC and the MSA will be enforcing the race regulations to the strictest of manners. This is to include but not limited to tyres"
Ay Rodders!
I particularly liked this bit on the website....
"This year Mission Motorsport, BARC and the MSA will be enforcing the race regulations to the strictest of manners. This is to include but not limited to tyres"
Ay Rodders!
Been following this event for a while and know I have a race license and will be starting my first season in my turbo exocet kit car I am planning a build for this event.
I've been donated a mx5 by a friend who I'm helping remove all the good parts (full carbon fibre panel car) members in the mx5 community will know the owner and the remains the shell and running gear will be used as the base of the car.
A few questions on setting the team up for the event. First its a 1.8 mk1 I'm planning on going turbo with it this will put me in invitational class or class e?
2nd full cost of the event obviously the entry fees but generally what is the average cost of the event with fuel/tyres etc.
3rd insurance as there will be other drivers mainly people I know what is required with that, also on other drivers what's the typical cost for a drive in the event.
Just trying too build up an idea of cost for the event so I can get required funds together. Hopefully will be able too join and experience this great event.
I've been donated a mx5 by a friend who I'm helping remove all the good parts (full carbon fibre panel car) members in the mx5 community will know the owner and the remains the shell and running gear will be used as the base of the car.
A few questions on setting the team up for the event. First its a 1.8 mk1 I'm planning on going turbo with it this will put me in invitational class or class e?
2nd full cost of the event obviously the entry fees but generally what is the average cost of the event with fuel/tyres etc.
3rd insurance as there will be other drivers mainly people I know what is required with that, also on other drivers what's the typical cost for a drive in the event.
Just trying too build up an idea of cost for the event so I can get required funds together. Hopefully will be able too join and experience this great event.
MG CHRIS said:
Been following this event for a while and know I have a race license and will be starting my first season in my turbo exocet kit car I am planning a build for this event.
I've been donated a mx5 by a friend who I'm helping remove all the good parts (full carbon fibre panel car) members in the mx5 community will know the owner and the remains the shell and running gear will be used as the base of the car.
A few questions on setting the team up for the event. First its a 1.8 mk1 I'm planning on going turbo with it this will put me in invitational class or class e?
2nd full cost of the event obviously the entry fees but generally what is the average cost of the event with fuel/tyres etc.
3rd insurance as there will be other drivers mainly people I know what is required with that, also on other drivers what's the typical cost for a drive in the event.
Just trying too build up an idea of cost for the event so I can get required funds together. Hopefully will be able too join and experience this great event.
A turbo Exocet would put you in the invitational class I would expect, you certainly wont end up in the 1.8 class as isn't really a 1.8 class but one designed for the Mazdas in standard (ish) trim, such as the Max5 guys etc, the 2.0 class is also for the Mazdas such as the Supercup guys. You might end up in the 2.0 class, two such teams spring to mind from the 2017 race, the MK1 MX5 with the MK2.5 engine in and the Mini Cooper S. However they look at reference lap times and if they decide you are too fast for your class they will move you up and sandbagging is frowned upon. Its actually a problem and one that could be fixed if the event moved to BHP/Per Ton system which would free us up (we have to run to Compact Cup regs) to be more competitive and others too (see the MK1 and Mini) I've been donated a mx5 by a friend who I'm helping remove all the good parts (full carbon fibre panel car) members in the mx5 community will know the owner and the remains the shell and running gear will be used as the base of the car.
A few questions on setting the team up for the event. First its a 1.8 mk1 I'm planning on going turbo with it this will put me in invitational class or class e?
2nd full cost of the event obviously the entry fees but generally what is the average cost of the event with fuel/tyres etc.
3rd insurance as there will be other drivers mainly people I know what is required with that, also on other drivers what's the typical cost for a drive in the event.
Just trying too build up an idea of cost for the event so I can get required funds together. Hopefully will be able too join and experience this great event.
In terms of costs, almost impossible to predict what yours will be until you actually have a car built and that you have run for a period of time to work out what it would cost to run for a 12 hour race. Factor in Fuel, Tyres, Brakes as a minimum then add the cost of getting there and back, add in feeding yourself for 3 days then times that by your number of drivers and crew, the add in a budget for unknowns and you'll get a rough figure. Pretty sure there are a couple of guys on here who ran arrive and drive seats last year they might be able to give you a better idea of costs!
It's a great weekend though and really moving during speeches etc. This will be our third this year and its an excellent way to sign the season off as Championships elsewhere are done everyone is a little more relaxed behind the wheel which makes for a more pleasant race. Supercar Saturday is a laugh as well especially when the event organiser who shall remain nameless (Merrick) takes the Safety Car out for passenger laps and destroys the tyres showboating
geeks said:
MG CHRIS said:
Been following this event for a while and know I have a race license and will be starting my first season in my turbo exocet kit car I am planning a build for this event.
I've been donated a mx5 by a friend who I'm helping remove all the good parts (full carbon fibre panel car) members in the mx5 community will know the owner and the remains the shell and running gear will be used as the base of the car.
A few questions on setting the team up for the event. First its a 1.8 mk1 I'm planning on going turbo with it this will put me in invitational class or class e?
2nd full cost of the event obviously the entry fees but generally what is the average cost of the event with fuel/tyres etc.
3rd insurance as there will be other drivers mainly people I know what is required with that, also on other drivers what's the typical cost for a drive in the event.
Just trying too build up an idea of cost for the event so I can get required funds together. Hopefully will be able too join and experience this great event.
A turbo Exocet would put you in the invitational class I would expect, you certainly wont end up in the 1.8 class as isn't really a 1.8 class but one designed for the Mazdas in standard (ish) trim, such as the Max5 guys etc, the 2.0 class is also for the Mazdas such as the Supercup guys. You might end up in the 2.0 class, two such teams spring to mind from the 2017 race, the MK1 MX5 with the MK2.5 engine in and the Mini Cooper S. However they look at reference lap times and if they decide you are too fast for your class they will move you up and sandbagging is frowned upon. Its actually a problem and one that could be fixed if the event moved to BHP/Per Ton system which would free us up (we have to run to Compact Cup regs) to be more competitive and others too (see the MK1 and Mini) I've been donated a mx5 by a friend who I'm helping remove all the good parts (full carbon fibre panel car) members in the mx5 community will know the owner and the remains the shell and running gear will be used as the base of the car.
A few questions on setting the team up for the event. First its a 1.8 mk1 I'm planning on going turbo with it this will put me in invitational class or class e?
2nd full cost of the event obviously the entry fees but generally what is the average cost of the event with fuel/tyres etc.
3rd insurance as there will be other drivers mainly people I know what is required with that, also on other drivers what's the typical cost for a drive in the event.
Just trying too build up an idea of cost for the event so I can get required funds together. Hopefully will be able too join and experience this great event.
In terms of costs, almost impossible to predict what yours will be until you actually have a car built and that you have run for a period of time to work out what it would cost to run for a 12 hour race. Factor in Fuel, Tyres, Brakes as a minimum then add the cost of getting there and back, add in feeding yourself for 3 days then times that by your number of drivers and crew, the add in a budget for unknowns and you'll get a rough figure. Pretty sure there are a couple of guys on here who ran arrive and drive seats last year they might be able to give you a better idea of costs!
It's a great weekend though and really moving during speeches etc. This will be our third this year and its an excellent way to sign the season off as Championships elsewhere are done everyone is a little more relaxed behind the wheel which makes for a more pleasant race. Supercar Saturday is a laugh as well especially when the event organiser who shall remain nameless (Merrick) takes the Safety Car out for passenger laps and destroys the tyres showboating
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