Getting into Motorsport

[JZZ30]

Oilchange said:

how about a helmet for your sons passenger!

Edited by Oilchange on Thursday 15th February 00:24

Yes, still a fair point as noted above. Incredibly stupid. Won't happen again.

[JZZ30]

avenger286 said:

There is a good market for used seats and belts on eBay also a good second hand market for tyres. Learning about tyres is also another think to learn about with rallying. You will probably need to be looking at as soft as you can find.

Only one type of tyre is allowed and specified in the regulations so all the juniors are running the same tyre and size. This year is Yokohama's A050 in medium compound.

[avenger286]

JZZ30 said:

avenger286 said:

There is a good market for used seats and belts on eBay also a good second hand market for tyres. Learning about tyres is also another think to learn about with rallying. You will probably need to be looking at as soft as you can find.

Only one type of tyre is allowed and specified in the regulations so all the juniors are running the same tyre and size. This year is Yokohama's A050 in medium compound.

Wow won't be much grip on the rear in the cold will be a learning curve. At least everyone is in the same boat.
I really think what you are doing for your son is brilliant and he is lucky to have such a enthusiastic dad. My little boy (3) loves when we go up to Mull and just stands there naming all the cars.

[velocemitch]

JZZ30 said:

Oilchange said:

how about a helmet for your sons passenger!

Edited by Oilchange on Thursday 15th February 00:24

Yes, still a fair point as noted above. Incredibly stupid. Won't happen again.

Mr Oilchange would probably have apoplexy if he saw what we do without Helmets in Road Rallying!. (and we aren't even given the option!)

[JZZ30]

avenger286 said:

Wow won't be much grip on the rear in the cold will be a learning curve. At least everyone is in the same boat.
I really think what you are doing for your son is brilliant and he is lucky to have such a enthusiastic dad. My little boy (3) loves when we go up to Mull and just stands there naming all the cars.

Thanks for the comments, we are having a great time so far.

Re: tyres - got to remember they are limited to one litre cars.

[TimCrighton]

Have you come and done one of our Rally Trackday at Anglesey Circuit? You can run a junior car and we usually get several Junior Micras come along for some seat time. Link to the Rally Trackday page in on the www.angleseycircuit.com web page.

[JZZ30]

TimCrighton said:

Have you come and done one of our Rally Trackday at Anglesey Circuit? You can run a junior car and we usually get several Junior Micras come along for some seat time. Link to the Rally Trackday page in on the www.angleseycircuit.com web page.

That looks great, thanks for the link.

Definitely something we will look to do. Getting him seat time at different places is important.

[JZZ30]

Another test day yesterday. First time he has had a good go in the car in the dry. Not a lot of other cars there either, so we got plenty of runs in. He has some video to upload but I don't think it's worked that well with the bright sunlight.

Tyres certainly got worked hard!


Update on overall costs so far: -

Costs so far:

Equipment - £4195
Car £2000
New Seats/Harnesses £700
Steering Wheel £60
Trailer £900
Re-new trailer bed £300 (4 x 18mm marine ply and 5L non slip paint)
Tie down straps £45
Intercom System for car £160
Foot Pump + Gauge £30

Clothing / Safety - £950
Racesuit, Gloves, Boots, Balaclave
Helmet (with Added Comms)
HANS device
Helmet Bag with Hans Storage £40

Training - £890.00
£135 - Rally day at Knockhill (27th Jan)
£85 Test day at car club, 30th Dec, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£15 - Autotest 20th Jan
£85 Test day at car club, 28th Jan, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£180 - 1 to 1 training at Knockhill (£165 training, £15 Travel)
£65 Test day (£30 travel, £35 fee)
£325 - BARS test

Miscellaneous - £570.00
Towbar £400
Numberplate £10
Car Club Membership £30 (for us both)
New tyre for trailer £65

TOTAL £6605

[avenger286]

JZZ30 said:

Another test day yesterday. First time he has had a good go in the car in the dry. Not a lot of other cars there either, so we got plenty of runs in. He has some video to upload but I don't think it's worked that well with the bright sunlight.

Tyres certainly got worked hard!


Update on overall costs so far: -

Costs so far:

Equipment - £4195
Car £2000
New Seats/Harnesses £700
Steering Wheel £60
Trailer £900
Re-new trailer bed £300 (4 x 18mm marine ply and 5L non slip paint)
Tie down straps £45
Intercom System for car £160
Foot Pump + Gauge £30

Clothing / Safety - £950
Racesuit, Gloves, Boots, Balaclave
Helmet (with Added Comms)
HANS device
Helmet Bag with Hans Storage £40

Training - £890.00
£135 - Rally day at Knockhill (27th Jan)
£85 Test day at car club, 30th Dec, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£15 - Autotest 20th Jan
£85 Test day at car club, 28th Jan, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£180 - 1 to 1 training at Knockhill (£165 training, £15 Travel)
£65 Test day (£30 travel, £35 fee)
£325 - BARS test

Miscellaneous - £570.00
Towbar £400
Numberplate £10
Car Club Membership £30 (for us both)
New tyre for trailer £65

TOTAL £6605

The costs really do add up quite quickly don't they. That must of been a monumental lock up to get the tyre like that but shows he must be trying. Keep up the good work.

[JZZ30]

avenger286 said:

The costs really do add up quite quickly don't they.

They certainly do! I think we might yet sneak in under or original estimate of £10k for the first season if we can avoid any major catastrophe with the car.

Test day number 2 uploaded. Camera position isn't the greatest but I think (biased though) it shows good improvement in his gear changing. He's using heel & toe on the downshifts.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aW5DjXrk_Iw

He gave himself a bit of a fright here.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U3EkkiqpJ10

[Dan BSCS]

One bit of feedback.....

Try and get him to shuffle the wheel less. It's very easy to get confused where the wheels are pointing if you move your hands so much.

It's hard habit to break once you get into it so best to try and get him out of it now.

Dan

[JZZ30]

Dan BSCS said:

Try and get him to shuffle the wheel less. It's very easy to get confused where the wheels are pointing if you move your hands so much.

An excellent point, thanks. He actually pulled himself up on it when watching back all the videos from the day, so yes, something to keep a watch on the next time we are out.

[ReverendCounter]

Bit of a ridiculously off topic question, but does/did your dog's name begin with 'M' by any chance?

I used to know a lad in the AA who had a border collie from a puppy who had a straight black/white line down her face. Had to give her up, though.

[JZZ30]

ReverendCounter said:

Bit of a ridiculously off topic question, but does/did your dog's name begin with 'M' by any chance?

I used to know a lad in the AA who had a border collie from a puppy who had a straight black/white line down her face. Had to give her up, though.

Hmmmnn... Name doesn't start with M, but we got her as a rescue dog with no known history. Had her 4 years now. They thought she was around 2 when we get her.

[JZZ30]

Supposed to be doing an autotest today and his BARS test tomorrow. Both have been cancelled due to the weather.

We made £240 back on the costs selling the old seats and belts though.

[JZZ30]

Just setting off for Knockhill.
Jack has his BARS test this morning and another Autotest this afternoon. Car will also be getting it's MSA logbook.

[avenger286]

Good luck with today.

Graeme

[Dinoboy]

Good luck.

[JZZ30]

Thanks.

Pleased to report the BARS test was passed and he now holds a junior MSA Licence.

A nice little confidence boost in the afternoon Autotest too. He got 3 trophies. Fastest in section 1, fastest in section 2/3 and fastest junior time of the day!


More spend to add to the total
6 tyres £520
MSA logbook for the car £43

That's us all set for the first rally in 2 weeks time at Ingliston.

Edited by JZZ30 on Monday 12th March 11:23

[JZZ30]

Round 1 of the Junior Rally championship this weekend at Ingliston. Seems like only yesterday that Jack had his first drive in the car!

We fitted new driveshafts (£100) to the car in preperation and while under the car noticed the drive belts (Warter pump, Alternator etc.) looked in pretty poor condition so we replaced those too (£25)

Total spend getting us to this point is £6990.00. Add on the fee for this weekends event and we are at £7240.00.

Expensive, but we were starting from scratch. We are loving every minute of it.




Costs so far:

Event/Competition Fees - £250.00
Ingliston Rally £250.00 plus travel

Equipment - £3955.00
Car £2000
New Seats/Harnesses (£700 less £240 selling old ones) £460
Steering Wheel £60
Trailer £900
Re-new trailer bed £300 (4 x 18mm marine ply and 5L non slip paint)
Tie down straps £45
Intercom System for car £160
Foot Pump + Gauge £30

Repairs/Maintenance - £645.00
Competition Tyres x 6 £520
Driveshafts £100
Drivebelts £25

Clothing / Safety - £950.00
Racesuit, Gloves, Boots, Balaclave
Helmet (with Added Comms)
HANS device
Helmet Bag with Hans Storage £40

Training - £890.00
£135 - Rally day at Knockhill (27th Jan)
£85 Test day at car club, 30th Dec, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£15 - Autotest 20th Jan
£85 Test day at car club, 28th Jan, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£180 - 1 to 1 training at Knockhill (£165 training, £15 Travel)
£65 Test day (£30 travel, £35 fee)
£325 - BARS test

Miscellaneous - £550.00
Towbar £400
Numberplate £10
Car Club Membership £30 (for us both)
New tyre for trailer £65
MSA Logbook £45

TOTAL £7240