Rockingham to close
Discussion
With the closure of Rockingham the club that we race with have stated that there will be less track time on the market,they seem to think that Donington and Mallory could be the circuits to gain. With our club there does seem to be a resistance to travel to the more far flung circuits,our worst supported meeting was at Pembrey.Anglesey and Croft have not featured for a few years, again due to poor grids in the past.
chunder27 said:
Croft run rallies and rallycross with cars using anti lag, that car wise is far noisier than most things.
There is a maximum noise level at croft and two average noise levels. That is why on occasions there are "breaks" in the heats at the rallycross. At the rallies anti lag is often banned and where it is allowed it tends to be only a few cars so the "averages" are not exceeded.My point about Cadwell is that compared to other BSB tracks even a layman has to see it is not as safe, a big crash at Hall Bends or Charlies or end of Park and you are going into a grass bank, yes it has been improved.
But there have been a few fatalities and very serious injuries there, the medical thing is crazy having a unit in the middle of the track instead of near the exits.
I love the place, don't get me wrong, I spent half my life there as a kid. But I think if it was non MSV there would be more concerns, and it obviously helps that it makes a fortune, but that has no sway on the decisions taken obviously!!
But there have been a few fatalities and very serious injuries there, the medical thing is crazy having a unit in the middle of the track instead of near the exits.
I love the place, don't get me wrong, I spent half my life there as a kid. But I think if it was non MSV there would be more concerns, and it obviously helps that it makes a fortune, but that has no sway on the decisions taken obviously!!
vjay48 said:
With the closure of Rockingham the club that we race with have stated that there will be less track time on the market,they seem to think that Donington and Mallory could be the circuits to gain. With our club there does seem to be a resistance to travel to the more far flung circuits,our worst supported meeting was at Pembrey.Anglesey and Croft have not featured for a few years, again due to poor grids in the past.
Mallory hasnt had that many car dates but I do know that the planning conditions do limit the number of days. Not sure whether the bike meetings take up all of the slack.Donington seems busy every weekend as it is.
Maybe Silverstone will try to run more meetings on both the National circuit and South circuit at the same time, but God knows whether there is enough marshals etc for that!
I still say that Anglesey is well worth travelling to!!
vjay48 said:
Donington had 5 meetings for cars,May to end of Aug, 16 -17 weeks Rockingham had 10 car meetings in2018,Pembrey does not have many meetings these days.One club has some quite poor series,i saw a race with 4 fiestas recently,another new series we don't need!
Really?MAY
Fri 4–Sun 6 May Donington Historic Festival
Sat 12/Sun 13 May Endurance Legends
Sat 19/Sun 20 May No Limits Club Bike Championships (GP)
Fri 25–Sun 27 May Motul FIM Superbike World Championship (GP)
JUNE
Sat 2/Sun 3 June British Superkart GP (GP)
Fri 8–Sun 10 June Download Festival
Sat 16/Sun 17 June BMCRC Club Bike Championships
Sat 23 June Ferrari Owners’ Club Raceday
Sun 24 June Vintage Motorsport Festival - featuring Formula Vintage
Sat 30 June Japfest
JULY
Sun 1 July TRAX
Sat 7/Sun 8 July French Car Show
Sun 8 July VAG Tuner
Sat 14/Sun 15 July British Sportscar Weekend Featuring MG Car Club Championships
Sat 21/Sun 22 July Convoy in the Park featuring Truck Racing
Sat 28 July
No Limits Endurance Bike Championships (GP)
Sun 29 July AMOC Racing Club Car Championships[/b]
AUGUST
Fri 3–Sun 5 August Donington Classic Motorcycle Festival (CRMC)
Sat 11/Sun 12 August NG Road Racing Club Bike Championships
Sun 19 August Dukeries Rally
Sun 26 August RS Owners Club National Day
Thats 6 without including Trax, VAG and French Japfest which are all car based. There were cars around at the Truck Racing and will have been at the Kart weekend as well.
vjay48 said:
I did say car race meetings,pop concerts and car shows not are race meetings, the club we race with has been told that more race meetings can be held at Donington
No doubt MSVR are rubbing their hands at the thought of extra dates = more Circuit hire income. Don't know the numbers but I would think Mallory would be a cheaper option. I was there last Sunday after about a year away and was very impressed with the amount of work that hd been carried out. The Circuit itself looked imaculate.When I was once at Croft they explained the noise system in fairly simple terms.
If the circuit microphone detects a noisy car, its like pouring a glass of water into a bucket. Once the bucket reaches a certain weight a report is sent to the local council. The problem is that the bucket has a leak, so after a period of time the level in the bucket reduces slowly. So a lot of noisy cars will fill the bucket quickly and they have to have a time out whilst it empties naturally.
Quiet cars don't trip the microphone so there isn't a problem.
Whether thats exactly how it works or has been adjusted to fit the analogy, is another matter.
If the circuit microphone detects a noisy car, its like pouring a glass of water into a bucket. Once the bucket reaches a certain weight a report is sent to the local council. The problem is that the bucket has a leak, so after a period of time the level in the bucket reduces slowly. So a lot of noisy cars will fill the bucket quickly and they have to have a time out whilst it empties naturally.
Quiet cars don't trip the microphone so there isn't a problem.
Whether thats exactly how it works or has been adjusted to fit the analogy, is another matter.
Re the last post - when i did a 105db limit day at Goodwood back in '07 they seemed to be operating a similar sort of system, whereby if the noise meter in a certain location was tripped x amount of times the council received a notice.
A couple of cars (i think one was an ex BTCC support Clio Cup & the other a Porsche Turbo) on the same day as me must have measured right on / slightly over the static db limit test and after the first 2 hours in the morning they were told that they'd either have to ease off through the monitored section, or fit an extra silencer, to avoid further issues for the circuit down the line.
A couple of cars (i think one was an ex BTCC support Clio Cup & the other a Porsche Turbo) on the same day as me must have measured right on / slightly over the static db limit test and after the first 2 hours in the morning they were told that they'd either have to ease off through the monitored section, or fit an extra silencer, to avoid further issues for the circuit down the line.
One of the key appeals of the sport was always the noise but after decades spent ruining my hearing , and even getting a perforated eardrum once (LIgier Mugen v10 on a muggy day ) I've finally realised that it's the quality of the noise that really counts . Nicest sound I heard this year? A 275GTB/C at Goodwood Members' Meeting. Worst ? The horrible racket which most BTCC cars make.
I used to marshal at hillclimbs in the 70s - always at the startline. No silencing, no ear defenders and all of my hearing gone in my left ear before I was 45. These days all hillclimb cars are silenced and is it worse ? Not at all.
F1 drag racing and vintage and historic stuff (from T35s to D Types) is bets heard unsilenced but most modern racing ? No- one turbo four pot sounds much like any other ...
I used to marshal at hillclimbs in the 70s - always at the startline. No silencing, no ear defenders and all of my hearing gone in my left ear before I was 45. These days all hillclimb cars are silenced and is it worse ? Not at all.
F1 drag racing and vintage and historic stuff (from T35s to D Types) is bets heard unsilenced but most modern racing ? No- one turbo four pot sounds much like any other ...
My dear chap , it was a reassuringly expensive £150 for my weekend ticket, and a very reasonable £18 for the programme . ..
Yes , crazy prices , but like a visit to Covent Garden , it's an annual treat . I am certainly not rich , let alone filthy rich , but I choose to spend my cash on what I like . This weekend it may be ten quid autograss , and next it'll be CSCC at Donington. I adore live motorsport, and that's why I go and see it as often as I can .
And here's the thing - I have written a book , out next year , on (amongst other things ) the motorsport year (April 2017- March '18) . Mine ended with the Members' Meeting , in the snow . It cost me more than ten other events , more in fact , because it's a 650 mile round trip and 3 nights b and b isn't cheap down West Sussex way .
BUT - it was the best organised meeting , had the best food , the best customer care, the best entry, the equal best access to cars and drivers, the best commentary, the best action on track and (by a huge margin) the best written , most comprehensive , best designed programme , and it came with a free radio . The circuit is second only to Cadwell .
Meaning what? There's cost and there's value. I didn't enjoy any event more than MM although a couple came close - VSCC Lakeland Trial(free!) , Santa Pod (30 quid or so ) and Cadwell HSCC (20 quid w/e)
Yes , crazy prices , but like a visit to Covent Garden , it's an annual treat . I am certainly not rich , let alone filthy rich , but I choose to spend my cash on what I like . This weekend it may be ten quid autograss , and next it'll be CSCC at Donington. I adore live motorsport, and that's why I go and see it as often as I can .
And here's the thing - I have written a book , out next year , on (amongst other things ) the motorsport year (April 2017- March '18) . Mine ended with the Members' Meeting , in the snow . It cost me more than ten other events , more in fact , because it's a 650 mile round trip and 3 nights b and b isn't cheap down West Sussex way .
BUT - it was the best organised meeting , had the best food , the best customer care, the best entry, the equal best access to cars and drivers, the best commentary, the best action on track and (by a huge margin) the best written , most comprehensive , best designed programme , and it came with a free radio . The circuit is second only to Cadwell .
Meaning what? There's cost and there's value. I didn't enjoy any event more than MM although a couple came close - VSCC Lakeland Trial(free!) , Santa Pod (30 quid or so ) and Cadwell HSCC (20 quid w/e)
chunder27 said:
Horses for courses I am afraid, that is an event hosted, attended and run for the filthy rich!
I know plenty of anything but 'filthy rich' people that are happy to pay 60 quid every two weeks to spend just 90 mins watching 22 men kick a sack of air around a patch of grass......The cost for the Members Meeting one a year is a bargain in comparison.......
coppice said:
.... but I choose to spend my cash on what I like . This weekend it may be ten quid autograss , and next it'll be CSCC at Donington. I adore live motorsport, and that's why I go and see it as often as I can .
If you are at Donington on the Sunday for the CSCC meeting, come a say "hi". Caterham 7 #37 at the back of the grid in the "Magnificent 7s" race. We are in the pit garages but not sure which one.chunder27 said:
Oh goody, the age old comaring football with motorsport response.
Dear God you might aswell compare fishing with NFL.
But the point is quite valid. Dear God you might aswell compare fishing with NFL.
Another one you’d likely hate is that Goodwood is basically a motoring festival, a similar multi day festival like Glastonbury makes Goodwood look cheap.
It's all about what you want to spend your money on. I don't drink, smoke, eat takeaways, buy fancy labelled clothes, go to theme parks, have netflix/sky/etc accounts but I am perfectly happy to spend £100 to watch great cars in the Sussex countryside.
Each to their own but don't kid yourself that it's all about rich or poor. It's just a matter of different priorities in life.
Each to their own but don't kid yourself that it's all about rich or poor. It's just a matter of different priorities in life.
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