2019 Rallying Thread (WRC, ERC and all other)!
Discussion
Allyc85 said:
Citroen putting big pressure on the FIA, claiming they will leave the WRC if the new rules don't include some kind of hybrid system. It has to happen!
It has to be done I think. But not just because a once dominant marque is saying do it or were off, could also be a great escape for Citroen if things don't vastly improve with the C3. But as expected the majority of comments over social media are all about "not how rallying should be" "it was better when it was like .....". Quite simply some sort of hybridisation must happen before we lose the whole series because some tree loving plant eating nambiepambies get it shut down because it hurts their feelings ..... or something like that.Seeded entry for this weekends Tour of Epynt for anyone going. interested to see if the i20WRC is a full fat factory car or just some Proto version?
https://www.rallies.info/webentry/2019/epynt/entri...
RE- Circuit championship comments. Granted I've only ever been to Pembrey circuit but not allowing the cars onto the grass is actually of benefit to the drivers! of the tens of cars I've tried to get back on the road from the wet boggy infield/edges I've only ever successfully recovered 1 and thats because a army of us managed to drag and push it back on the track. massive time loss for most of the crews will be down to going off, and you can always spot the ones who've hit a barrier on their way round, but they still manage to keep going. you'll lose cars between runs and will always spot which ones succumbed to the boggy grass as they'll still be covered in it! Thinking of it sensibly if I were a competitor i'd happily take the risk of damage and stay in the battle than sit a stage out stuck in the mud. Also worth considering as they are running tarmac spec the tyres/suspension wont be set up to deal with going on the grass, especially if sodden!
Ryan
My point is not about setups or anything else. It is about those crews that make a simple error and are then forced to deal with damage simply so the circuit owner avoids cars going on his precious grass.
In a forest or other venues the penalty is obvious, and on a wet day on a track the penalty is also obvious, you touch it, you go slow, likely spin and as you say struggle to recover.
But in certain places to basically put a tyre wall there to seemingly deter people from making mistakes!!!
I mean, come on.
My point is not about setups or anything else. It is about those crews that make a simple error and are then forced to deal with damage simply so the circuit owner avoids cars going on his precious grass.
In a forest or other venues the penalty is obvious, and on a wet day on a track the penalty is also obvious, you touch it, you go slow, likely spin and as you say struggle to recover.
But in certain places to basically put a tyre wall there to seemingly deter people from making mistakes!!!
I mean, come on.
chunder27 said:
Ryan
My point is not about setups or anything else. It is about those crews that make a simple error and are then forced to deal with damage simply so the circuit owner avoids cars going on his precious grass.
In a forest or other venues the penalty is obvious, and on a wet day on a track the penalty is also obvious, you touch it, you go slow, likely spin and as you say struggle to recover.
But in certain places to basically put a tyre wall there to seemingly deter people from making mistakes!!!
I mean, come on.
They can’t win. You don’t like it being tarmac, despite it being a CIRCUIT rally...in which case, go to a forest rally.....but then you don’t like potential obsitcals being put in the way....ummm like trees, silage bales....that they use in Forest rally’s....My point is not about setups or anything else. It is about those crews that make a simple error and are then forced to deal with damage simply so the circuit owner avoids cars going on his precious grass.
In a forest or other venues the penalty is obvious, and on a wet day on a track the penalty is also obvious, you touch it, you go slow, likely spin and as you say struggle to recover.
But in certain places to basically put a tyre wall there to seemingly deter people from making mistakes!!!
I mean, come on.
I mean, come on. Is there anything, ANYONE can do to stop you whinging?
It’s interesting though, I was there and saw very little damage on the cars by the end of the day. FAR LESS than the 2 cars destroyed at oulton, because they were using the gravel section where cars went onto the grass and clipped trees, fences and walls.
Is there anything you can do to actually read between the lines and stop putting words in my mouth?
Where did I say I don't like Tarmac? I have been to countless asphalt events, it is all I can watch without travelling 150 miles.
As for damage, these are supposed to be RALLY cars, not circuit racers, you know, able to deal with differing forms of terrain?
On a single venue there might be bits of grass, gravel, potholes, vastly different surfaces too. I remember years ago going to an airfield event where the organisers received complaints from some that the stages were too rough! Err, isn't that the point, to make your car able to deal with all of it, if you did not, your bad,!
On the early MSA events you had this, mainly tar with a bit of other stuff thrown in, makes it more interesting.
If I wanted to see damage I would go stock car racing, which I did on Saturday night, I want to see rallying, and i did, but it was just a little bit tamed down, that's all.
Stop putting words in my mouth and simply understand that my points are not saying the whole thing is awful, just that it could be improved. I enjoy the events, have been to all but Oulton.
read the post not the sodding username
Where did I say I don't like Tarmac? I have been to countless asphalt events, it is all I can watch without travelling 150 miles.
As for damage, these are supposed to be RALLY cars, not circuit racers, you know, able to deal with differing forms of terrain?
On a single venue there might be bits of grass, gravel, potholes, vastly different surfaces too. I remember years ago going to an airfield event where the organisers received complaints from some that the stages were too rough! Err, isn't that the point, to make your car able to deal with all of it, if you did not, your bad,!
On the early MSA events you had this, mainly tar with a bit of other stuff thrown in, makes it more interesting.
If I wanted to see damage I would go stock car racing, which I did on Saturday night, I want to see rallying, and i did, but it was just a little bit tamed down, that's all.
Stop putting words in my mouth and simply understand that my points are not saying the whole thing is awful, just that it could be improved. I enjoy the events, have been to all but Oulton.
read the post not the sodding username
chunder27 said:
Is there anything you can do to actually read between the lines and stop putting words in my mouth?
Where did I say I don't like Tarmac?
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Stop putting words in my mouth and simply understand that my points are not saying the whole thing is awful, just that it could be improved. I enjoy the events, have been to all but Oulton.
read the post not the sodding username
And I quote Where did I say I don't like Tarmac?
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Stop putting words in my mouth and simply understand that my points are not saying the whole thing is awful, just that it could be improved. I enjoy the events, have been to all but Oulton.
read the post not the sodding username
“Palmer has ruined things even more, the entire thing now is all on sealed surface, nearly all of it on the track”
So you’re complaining it’s on tarmac and you are saying it’s awful...or “ruined” in your own words
To be fair it’s hard to see past the “sodding username” when virtually everything you post is an utter whingefest. I’m surprised you attend any motorsports events at all tbh.
What I mean is that in the past the stages were mixed up a bit, some infield sections. That is all gone, hardly a whinge, more of a comment.
Seeing as you have little interesting to say, how about the rumour that another closed road event is possible, sort of Midlands based?
My next is AGBO in a few weeks, should hopefully be a little more "proper" than MSV stuff, but I gather limited to rwd.
Seeing as you have little interesting to say, how about the rumour that another closed road event is possible, sort of Midlands based?
My next is AGBO in a few weeks, should hopefully be a little more "proper" than MSV stuff, but I gather limited to rwd.
chunder27 said:
Is there anything you can do to actually read between the lines and stop putting words in my mouth? Perhaps you should consider what you are actually saying in that case. If most who reply to you say your posts come across as whinging, perhaps change the way you post
Where did I say I don't like Tarmac? I have been to countless asphalt events, it is all I can watch without travelling 150 miles. which means you limit yourself to events near you, so how can you have any idea of what is going on in the rest of the country? That's why I get miffed off, you keep on saying Motorsport UK is stopping spectators on rallies but you don't know because you don't travel around the country to attend events.
As for damage, these are supposed to be RALLY cars, not circuit racers, you know, able to deal with differing forms of terrain?
On a single venue there might be bits of grass, gravel, potholes, vastly different surfaces too. I remember years agothat was then this is now going to an airfield event where the organisers received complaints from some that the stages were too rough! Err, isn't that the point, to make your car able to deal with all of it, if you did not, your bad,! But earlier on you are saying tyres on the side of the track damage cars
On the early MSA events you had this, mainly tar with a bit of other stuff thrown in, makes it more interesting.
If I wanted to see damage I would go stock car racing, which I did on Saturday night, I want to see rallying, and i did, but it was just a little bit tamed down, that's all.
Stop putting words in my mouth and simply understand that my points are not saying the whole thing is awful, just that it could be improved. I enjoy the events, have been to all but Oulton. but improved for you. Others have said they don't agree with you
read the post not the sodding username I am reading the posts and they all contain a whinge, however you like to dress it up
Where did I say I don't like Tarmac? I have been to countless asphalt events, it is all I can watch without travelling 150 miles. which means you limit yourself to events near you, so how can you have any idea of what is going on in the rest of the country? That's why I get miffed off, you keep on saying Motorsport UK is stopping spectators on rallies but you don't know because you don't travel around the country to attend events.
As for damage, these are supposed to be RALLY cars, not circuit racers, you know, able to deal with differing forms of terrain?
On a single venue there might be bits of grass, gravel, potholes, vastly different surfaces too. I remember years agothat was then this is now going to an airfield event where the organisers received complaints from some that the stages were too rough! Err, isn't that the point, to make your car able to deal with all of it, if you did not, your bad,! But earlier on you are saying tyres on the side of the track damage cars
On the early MSA events you had this, mainly tar with a bit of other stuff thrown in, makes it more interesting.
If I wanted to see damage I would go stock car racing, which I did on Saturday night, I want to see rallying, and i did, but it was just a little bit tamed down, that's all.
Stop putting words in my mouth and simply understand that my points are not saying the whole thing is awful, just that it could be improved. I enjoy the events, have been to all but Oulton. but improved for you. Others have said they don't agree with you
read the post not the sodding username I am reading the posts and they all contain a whinge, however you like to dress it up
Jesus H Christ , give it a rest Chunder . The circuit championship isn't my cup of tea either but it's popular with competitors and they're the people that pay the entry fees , if they didn't feel it was value for money they'd not be there .
Anyhow , entry list for West Cork was issued today , it's going to be a cracker .
Anyhow , entry list for West Cork was issued today , it's going to be a cracker .
Cheers Alex, was just a rumour, did not realise it was a go-er!
Looks interesting, did anyone see the Scottish survey results?
I had a quick read and it was overwhelmingly positive other than the obvious complaints form locals about the sheer fact of roads closing.
But with single venues and circuit rallies becoming ever more tame or out of reach for fans, this is surely the future, as long as it is run properly and safely and nothing awful happens accident wise.
Looks interesting, did anyone see the Scottish survey results?
I had a quick read and it was overwhelmingly positive other than the obvious complaints form locals about the sheer fact of roads closing.
But with single venues and circuit rallies becoming ever more tame or out of reach for fans, this is surely the future, as long as it is run properly and safely and nothing awful happens accident wise.
Absolutely bloody ridiculous that stage 1 of Rally Mexico was cancelled due to a damaged artificial jump. Could have been nasty with the crowd so close. Evans had a massive moment on Gb on rubbish like this. Hopefully it will make organisers think twice about gimmicks like this.
https://www.facebook.com/jociusdeividas/videos/378...
Got to feel for the thousands of fans who turn up for this stage every year!
https://www.facebook.com/jociusdeividas/videos/378...
Got to feel for the thousands of fans who turn up for this stage every year!
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