2019 Rallying Thread (WRC, ERC and all other)!
Discussion
Skylinecrazy said:
Epynt was really good actually. Entry was fantastic and some of the driving was very impressive for club level rallying - Jason Pritchard in particular was absolutely flying.
Even with the strong winds and brutal hailstorm during stage 6, it was an enjoyable day.https://twitter.com/alastaircummins/status/1104773...
Great pace through the field with plenty having moments. An Evo drivetrain powered Proton went off here shortly after.
https://twitter.com/alastaircummins/status/1104742...
Also good to catch up with RyanTank and a few other people through out the day.
Allyc85 said:
Even with the strong winds and brutal hailstorm during stage 6, it was an enjoyable day.
https://twitter.com/alastaircummins/status/1104773...
Great pace through the field with plenty having moments. An Evo drivetrain powered Proton went off here shortly after.
https://twitter.com/alastaircummins/status/1104742...
Also good to catch up with RyanTank and a few other people through out the day.
We saw the proton go off - You must have been pretty close to us! https://twitter.com/alastaircummins/status/1104773...
Great pace through the field with plenty having moments. An Evo drivetrain powered Proton went off here shortly after.
https://twitter.com/alastaircummins/status/1104742...
Also good to catch up with RyanTank and a few other people through out the day.
Agbo this weekend for some 2wd action - always a good event and spectator pens done right!
Well if the weather was fun on the Malcolm Wilson, it gave us even more fun on the Border Counties. Started off with snow that then then turned heavy rain.
Some of the Marshals on stage 4 are now honorary members of the RNLI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM1aF9Qndh4
Some of the Marshals on stage 4 are now honorary members of the RNLI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM1aF9Qndh4
Decent ish day at AGBO< very blustery but that meant showers did not last long.
Quite a few stage stoppages, and annoyingly last stage, which was by far the best of the day was too, nasty incident but hope crew were OK.
A lot of what went before was chicaned and slow 1234,4321 stuff, but this was superb, couple of 100mph flat out blasts down the estate roads and the watersplash.
Lovely venue, would be great to be there when its summery!!
Quite a few stage stoppages, and annoyingly last stage, which was by far the best of the day was too, nasty incident but hope crew were OK.
A lot of what went before was chicaned and slow 1234,4321 stuff, but this was superb, couple of 100mph flat out blasts down the estate roads and the watersplash.
Lovely venue, would be great to be there when its summery!!
Me and a friend of mine were first on the scene at the incident on the last stage. When we originally got there the nav was unconscious after the fence post had made contact with his head. Luckily we managed to stop the next few cars and shout at the marshals to call the ambulance. I’ve seen a lot of accidents in motorsport, but this shocked me the most as the aftermath was very vivid and puts into perspective how dangerous the sport we love is.
The Nav walked to the ambulance after finally coming back around which was a huge relief.
The Nav walked to the ambulance after finally coming back around which was a huge relief.
Could sort of see there was an incident near the buildings as we walked out, but was not interested in seeing the details.
there were a few stoppages during the day, stages look easy from the outside but clearly not from the cockpit!
Great venue thogh, and the last pair of stages were so much faster and more interesting to watch.
there were a few stoppages during the day, stages look easy from the outside but clearly not from the cockpit!
Great venue thogh, and the last pair of stages were so much faster and more interesting to watch.
Looked the NW Stages was a brilliant event, and now possibly worth the drive up north!
Looks like interesting weather in Corsica for the WRC!
https://twitter.com/mundialderallys/status/1110476...
Looks like interesting weather in Corsica for the WRC!
https://twitter.com/mundialderallys/status/1110476...
Allyc85 said:
Looked the NW Stages was a brilliant event, and now possibly worth the drive up north!
Looks like interesting weather in Corsica for the WRC!
https://twitter.com/mundialderallys/status/1110476...
I'd planned to go this year, may have been an inspired choice not to ...Looks like interesting weather in Corsica for the WRC!
https://twitter.com/mundialderallys/status/1110476...
With Corsica's micro climates, there's a good chance the event will bathed in Mediterranean sun by the weekend ... ???
A wee update on getting closed-road motorsport legislation in Scotland - we are nearly there!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotl...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotl...
thepawbroon said:
A wee update on getting closed-road motorsport legislation in Scotland - we are nearly there!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotl...
Good news. A shame the BBC has used that photograph again though.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotl...
chunder27 said:
Good work, is staggering to think this was where it all went wrong, but good work by al.
I only hope that the current events all pass by without incident and that safety crews are utterly ruthless with people and media in wrong places.
This coming from the person who moans about the restrictions Motorsport UK have but in place. If they hadn't we would not be having any closed roads events in the UK.I only hope that the current events all pass by without incident and that safety crews are utterly ruthless with people and media in wrong places.
Drumroll said:
This coming from the person who moans about the restrictions Motorsport UK have but in place. If they hadn't we would not be having any closed roads events in the UK.
I think we have a lot to thank Motorsport UK for, especially in response to the JCMR fatalities leading to "Rally Future". They have been fundamental in getting the Scottish Government to move forward on the legislation, not much of that involvement is public. While like most people, I don't agree with everything that they do or how they go about it, on balance I think they are doing a good job in retaining the very existence of motorsport in this day and age.
So next time we are in a designated spectator area in a forest, it's worth asking - would I rather be here or have no rallying at all?
Drumberk?
My points are these.
the MSA have basically banned or made it utterly pointless for specs to attend single venues, like airfields etc. That is clear. That is entry level for drivers, fans. We are pushed towards tame, uninteresting circuit rallies, fine, great for drivers, but basically a rallysprint, not a proper rally in my eyes.
Yet, they have really tried to push closed roads. There are just as many potential incidents waiting on those events. Locals are just as likely to not know what's going on as "the family with a pram and picnic" nightmare we all think of in forests or an airfield, standing in wrong places.
The fallout from an accident on an event like this is far worse. Two scenarios, family killed by flying car on airfield they shouldn't have been at? Second, Family killed as car flies into back garden and kills them having a barby on closed road event? What's the worst scenario? Both are awful, but on the first they shouldn't have been there, on the second they were unlucky.
I applaud clubs for pushing it, must be nightmarish to do it. But I do think more can be done in time for single venue events, I have advocated a pass system for years. Whereby fans can register, attend training courses, marshal days and be what most of us were, marshals passing by at times. It's still always hard to police an airfield, but this at least would allow those fans that want to attend rallies like that, safely, with the knowledge theya re at risk, the chance.
Closed road rallies, you are herded as you are on SV's, I guess that is the way we are now.
My points are these.
the MSA have basically banned or made it utterly pointless for specs to attend single venues, like airfields etc. That is clear. That is entry level for drivers, fans. We are pushed towards tame, uninteresting circuit rallies, fine, great for drivers, but basically a rallysprint, not a proper rally in my eyes.
Yet, they have really tried to push closed roads. There are just as many potential incidents waiting on those events. Locals are just as likely to not know what's going on as "the family with a pram and picnic" nightmare we all think of in forests or an airfield, standing in wrong places.
The fallout from an accident on an event like this is far worse. Two scenarios, family killed by flying car on airfield they shouldn't have been at? Second, Family killed as car flies into back garden and kills them having a barby on closed road event? What's the worst scenario? Both are awful, but on the first they shouldn't have been there, on the second they were unlucky.
I applaud clubs for pushing it, must be nightmarish to do it. But I do think more can be done in time for single venue events, I have advocated a pass system for years. Whereby fans can register, attend training courses, marshal days and be what most of us were, marshals passing by at times. It's still always hard to police an airfield, but this at least would allow those fans that want to attend rallies like that, safely, with the knowledge theya re at risk, the chance.
Closed road rallies, you are herded as you are on SV's, I guess that is the way we are now.
chunder27 said:
the MSA have basically banned or made it utterly pointless for specs to attend single venues, like airfields etc.
That statement is almost entirely incorrect. Spectator restrictions on single venue rallies are almost always at the behest of the property owner or their insurance. It's generally nothing to do with Motorsport UK (former MSA). Despite that, stage rally organisers of single venue non-spectator events STILL have to assess spectator safety in their Safety, Operating and Incident Plans. "Spectators" are effectively anyone not signed-on as a competitor, official or marshal. For example, the service crew, ramblers who have ignored the no-entry signs, couples having nookie in the woods etc.I can see that you have strong views, nothing wrong with that. I wonder how much of it is based on your experience of organising rallies under the new Safety Regulations?
Why would I want to organise rallies, I have no interest whatsoever in doing so.
I am aware that the ability for people to spectate is not to do with the MSA, but they could make efforts to help surely? It's usually to do with insurance, lack of marshals and simply not wanting anyone there because basically it's a ball ache you could do without?
Surely the point is that if you make these events so restricted, how can the sport grow? there is nothing like being on a single venue in a responsible place, watching the guys go round, it's sad that this is now all lost. It used to be possible but not anymore. And as I say often fans were like marshals, and may I also say better than quite a few! Obviously it's not the same, but that is now lost to some degree, especially on airfield venues.
I am aware that the ability for people to spectate is not to do with the MSA, but they could make efforts to help surely? It's usually to do with insurance, lack of marshals and simply not wanting anyone there because basically it's a ball ache you could do without?
Surely the point is that if you make these events so restricted, how can the sport grow? there is nothing like being on a single venue in a responsible place, watching the guys go round, it's sad that this is now all lost. It used to be possible but not anymore. And as I say often fans were like marshals, and may I also say better than quite a few! Obviously it's not the same, but that is now lost to some degree, especially on airfield venues.
Edited by chunder27 on Thursday 28th March 13:05
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