2019 Rallying Thread (WRC, ERC and all other)!

2019 Rallying Thread (WRC, ERC and all other)!

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FredericRobinson

2,303 posts

195 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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Winning the 100th anniversary Le Mans is still worth more to a French group than an umpteenth WRC title though

Allyc85

7,173 posts

149 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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ArnageWRC said:
They don't have much luck with Radnor; 2 years ago the first run was delayed because of a lack of marshals - and the second run was cancelled. And now the fog..

I'm off to the ranges tomorrow; can't decide between Epynt or Halfway.....
Where did you end up?

I had an enjoyable day on Cychan, starting with a fast spot, where the blue Volvo had one hell of a moment on the brakes! yikes

https://twitter.com/i/status/1197984222818045954

Before moving onto the next corner, for some big slides, a stall and a mk1 Escort appearing backwards!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1197972860809154563

Would love to do the full event in 2021.

ceesvdelst

289 posts

18 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Went to first three days, first day was as disastrous as Radnor last time lol!

Crychan was good, as was Kershope, but the weather has taken its toll, very tough for pretty much everyone and you could see a lot of crews going for finishes from an early stage.

My only gripe, too many Mk2's a little more variety would be nice I think.

rallycross

11,091 posts

200 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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The hills are alive with the sound of ?

Mk2 escort BDA’s of course!

Just found this clip of this years retro rally, some really nice film on this clip mainly mk2’s but also a Heat for Hire Manta 400, an Acscona, Colt Gallant 4wd and even an old Volvo (240?).

https://youtu.be/rGt2VOYH7BI

ArnageWRC

1,247 posts

122 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Was supposed to go to Epynt, but didn't manage it. Ended up going to Ae and Falstone......

Proper rallying, nearly 300 stage miles, a good mix of cars (I agree about the Escorts mind you). As a fan of rallying, it's an event you can't help but look forward to.
Decent coverage on the Facebook page with live interviews from end of stages, service areas, etc

ceesvdelst

289 posts

18 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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There was a bit of variety but it really was 80% Escorts, which I guess you might expect in this country

I would love them to allow an invitation class, maybe not fully historic. So the event could be a little more akin to Classic, Eifel etc, but still with the main competitive element, maybe run this over the weekend perhaps?

But I guess they don't want big names as it makes it harder to police, but it would be great to see some more older 4wd stuff.

Also running the really small cc cars at the front was good and bad, a nice appetiser but also tough if you wanted to follow leaders around quickly.

Weather was fairly poor,

ELUSIVEJIM

7,917 posts

114 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Not exactly a shock but Ogier joins Toyota alongside Elfyn Evans and Kalle Rovanpera.

Nice mix of drivers.

Should be a very interesting season with Hyundai looking very strong with their line up.

It is tragic however that we have lost Citroen from the WRC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/50560724

ELUSIVEJIM

7,917 posts

114 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Unfortunately, I have no idea what Juha is saying but if you want to see some car porn have a look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjkz2gJP51w&t=...

thepawbroon

774 posts

147 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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ceesvdelst said:
There was a bit of variety but it really was 80% Escorts, which I guess you might expect in this country

I would love them to allow an invitation class, maybe not fully historic. So the event could be a little more akin to Classic, Eifel etc, but still with the main competitive element, maybe run this over the weekend perhaps?

But I guess they don't want big names as it makes it harder to police, but it would be great to see some more older 4wd stuff.

Also running the really small cc cars at the front was good and bad, a nice appetiser but also tough if you wanted to follow leaders around quickly.

Weather was fairly poor,
I really enjoyed the Roger Albert Clark, despite the weather!

We took in 2 stages and 3 service areas, for us chasing the top crews around wasn't important. I must say everyone we spoke to was super friendly, we are all seasoned competitors/organisers so knew quite a few folk. Nevertheless, we made a point of chatting to folk we didn't know, especially the overseas crews. And all the marshals and rescue/recovery are complete heroes for standing out in that weather.

Re: 4WD - I know everyone won't agree, but for me the R.A.C. should stick to 2WD cars. It was nice to see the gallant and Legacy for a bit of variety this year but once the Historic dates and budgets allow Sierra Cosworths, Imprezas and Lancers in, the rally will be over-run with them like any other club forest rally. In the UK the 2WD field will always be dominated by Escorts, but I'm sure most people remember the Volvo, Skoda, Beetle, TR7, Porsche, Avengers, Sunbeams, Midget, Manta, Asconas, etc.....

Making the R.A.C. the best and most challenging forest/gravel rally in Europe and continuing to attract overseas crews to come with more and more interesting 2WD cars is great for now.


Pericoloso

44,044 posts

126 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Re the Escort overload on the RAC ,I went to 2 rallys in Italy in October and hardly any Escorts seen and it wasn't

an overload of ropey old FIATs either.

Old Clios seemed popular and a variety of all the other usual stuff ,911s ,E30 M3s ......






ceesvdelst

289 posts

18 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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To be utterly sad, the Legacy is actually converted to 2wd, Lord knows why!

I was not advocating a ton of them, more say 15 or so, and not in the main field. In similar rallies abroad there is more show, fun, this, to me is a very serious event for very strictly historic cars.

Keep that, make it the highlight, but perhaps have some sort of other stuff running earlier or later that is more fun, freer, that's all.

Drumroll

2,574 posts

83 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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ceesvdelst said:
To be utterly sad, the Legacy is actually converted to 2wd, Lord knows why!

I was not advocating a ton of them, more say 15 or so, and not in the main field. In similar rallies abroad there is more show, fun, this, to me is a very serious event for very strictly historic cars.

Keep that, make it the highlight, but perhaps have some sort of other stuff running earlier or later that is more fun, freer, that's all.
Not sure how many of the escorts would actually be classed as truly historic? If you took away the engine, gearbox, suspension etc. modifications.

37chevy

3,280 posts

119 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Bit O/T but talking of historic stuff we had a nice surprise when skiing in Cortina last year...had no idea this was going on until we went into town to watch Ice Hockey






Big Robbo

319 posts

109 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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No big suprise but today Toyota confirmed their drivers for next season. Ogier, Evans and Rovanpera. That means that Malcolm Wilson now has the only top seat left but who will MSport go for??

l354uge

2,194 posts

84 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Can m sport afford another season? By which I mean will sunninen pay for another season

Pericoloso

44,044 posts

126 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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What does this mean for Latvala ?

Retirement ,he's only 34yo.

Big Robbo

319 posts

109 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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l354uge said:
Can m sport afford another season? By which I mean will sunninen pay for another season
Suninen is contracted for next season, so unless Ford up their involvement, which is unlikely then the vacant seat will go to the driver with the biggest backing which could be Latvala with backing from quite a few Finnish companies

fttm

2,275 posts

98 months

Thursday 28th November 2019
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Drumroll said:
ceesvdelst said:
To be utterly sad, the Legacy is actually converted to 2wd, Lord knows why!

I was not advocating a ton of them, more say 15 or so, and not in the main field. In similar rallies abroad there is more show, fun, this, to me is a very serious event for very strictly historic cars.

Keep that, make it the highlight, but perhaps have some sort of other stuff running earlier or later that is more fun, freer, that's all.
Not sure how many of the escorts would actually be classed as truly historic? If you took away the engine, gearbox, suspension etc. modifications.
They're period works spec , BDAs with H pattern boxes coupled to a live axle , no exhaust tunnels and GP4 suspension . Unless you're referring to a certain Proflex incident a few years back from a Pro team ?
I reckon a decent 15/20 field of quality GPB cars would look great running ahead of the main field , but how many would last the distance ? The occasional rallyday works , 5 days in a forest would be a bit much for many cars , and owners .

ceesvdelst

289 posts

18 months

Thursday 28th November 2019
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I am aware the same issues face historic rallying as other historic motorsport, in that rules can be bent or the like, I have no problem with it as long as people are happy, I think if you put McCormack or Pritchard in any of the top 20 or so BDA Escorts they would still be very fast.

My suggestion was to not have more modern cars doing all 5 days, but maybe the weekend, either after or before the main rally.

My only gripe about the RAC is that it is very "British MSA" IE a pure event rather than a show, we have amazing heritage, stars, engineering and this event should showcase all of that, not just a very god part of it. Most events that celebrate rallying past have a show element, this does not in any way at all.

ArnageWRC

1,247 posts

122 months

Thursday 28th November 2019
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I can sort of see what you mean. But I'm not sure that would ever happen,

However, I've spectated at every RAC since it started in 2004; that year both Mikkola & Blomqvist were in it - and Stig won. I thought back then that it would grow, and it would attract some of the bigger names, and become rallying's version of the Goodwood Revival
but it's never really happened like that.
It's probably too hard & gruelling for that; and that is why people love the event. A real throwback event to when rallying was tougher, and simpler.

Saying that, it would be nice to also see a RallyLegend/ Eifel Rallye festival type event over here. With all respect, RallyDay at Castle Combe doesn't really do it.