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Eric Mc

106,109 posts

206 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Exactly. Infringing run-off rules in those days usually incurred a serious penalty smile

37chevy

2,475 posts

97 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Eric Mc said:
Exactly. Infringing run-off rules in those days usually incurred a serious penalty smile
Which is fine for cars but remember a lot of F1 circuits are bike tracks too, most to these tarmac run offs, flat kerbs are with them in mind

Kraken

949 posts

141 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Bullitt Five-Oh said:
Kraken said:
Bullitt Five-Oh said:
I don't know why we can't have different track limits for bike and car races. Isn't the main argument for these silly tarmac and astroturf run off areas the fact that bikes race on the same tracks as cars?
It's not that cut and dry. How would different track limits for bike and cars make any difference?
Cars wouldn't have to run wide, for example. Or was it a tricky question?
Cars don't have to run wide now. It's just that they choose not to obey the rules and the officials choose not to punish them for it.


Eric Mc

106,109 posts

206 months

Tuesday 26th March
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37chevy said:
Which is fine for cars but remember a lot of F1 circuits are bike tracks too, most to these tarmac run offs, flat kerbs are with them in mind
True bikers need no run-off i.e. on the Isle of Man - or at Skerries - or Dundrod - or Portstewart etc.

37chevy

2,475 posts

97 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Eric Mc said:
True bikers need no run-off i.e. on the Isle of Man - or at Skerries - or Dundrod - or Portstewart etc.
Yes but those bikers also get killed relatively frequently, it’s an entirely different proposition on closed circuits, not least from an insurance/ police/ circuit licence POV. If you’d ever been involved in one, and the st Storm it creates I’d suggest you would have a different opinion
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Eric Mc

106,109 posts

206 months

Tuesday 26th March
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37chevy said:
Eric Mc said:
True bikers need no run-off i.e. on the Isle of Man - or at Skerries - or Dundrod - or Portstewart etc.
Yes but those bikers also get killed relatively frequently, it’s an entirely different proposition on closed circuits, not least from an insurance/ police/ circuit licence POV. If you’d ever been involved in one, and the st Storm it creates I’d suggest you would have a different opinion
I know all that.

And I know who I respect more and I know what I prefer to watch. I have no doubt that the people who run all these road racing events and the people who take part in them know the score and are prepared to accept the consequences if things go wrong. And no doubt, the event insurers know all that too. I hope you are not implying that the partrticpants, organisers and relevant authorities are somehow reckless in their approach?

I have effectively gone off modern sanitised motor sport. I wish more tracks were like Goodwood as they offer a good, and modern, compromise between somewhere like Dundrod and a more "normal" modern circuit..

37chevy

2,475 posts

97 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Eric Mc said:
I know all that.

And I know who I respect more and I know what I prefer to watch. I have no doubt that the people who run all these road racing events and the people who take part in them know the score and are prepared to accept the consequences if things go wrong. And no doubt, the event insurers know all that too. I hope you are not implying that the partrticpants, organisers and relevant authorities are somehow reckless in their approach?

I have effectively gone off modern sanitised motor sport. I wish more tracks were like Goodwood as they offer a good, and modern, compromise between somewhere like Dundrod and a more "normal" modern circuit..
im not suggesting that road racers are reckless, they know what they are getting in to. I am suggesting that essentially changing the circuit by allowing drivers to run wide, therefore increasing speeds and reducing the safety zones between car and wall most definitely is, especially when that decision was put down to being unable, in their eyes to be able to penalise drivers correctly.

I do agree though some circuits are becoming sanitised, im lucky to have Oulton Park as my local circuit.

Eric Mc

106,109 posts

206 months

Tuesday 26th March
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I think we are in agreement. Get rid of massive run offs. Have some safety features built into the circuit (like Goodwood) which keep the circuit "sensible" and not make it look like a section of desert or the largest tarmac car park in the world.
In other words, get some "soul" back into the venues and stop making them look like vast expanses of tar and painted concrete.

ZX10R NIN

13,959 posts

66 months

Tuesday 26th March
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It's even simpler than that just enforce the track limits around all of the track job jobbed all this "did they gain an advantage" crap is just rubbish, if it wasn't beneficial to lap times they wouldn't be out there.

I have no problem with no track limits but the way F1 does it for one corner but not another boils my piss.

unrepentant

19,276 posts

197 months

Thursday 28th March
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Great result for Colton and a great result for my buddy Mike Harding. biggrin

CedricN

410 posts

86 months

Sunday 7th April
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Unexpected qualifying, potential for a really interesting race. The track is so cool, i wish more tracks in high end racing looked like that. So twisty and with grass run off etc, the opposite to the asphalt desert tilke tracks.

funkyrobot

17,181 posts

169 months

Sunday 7th April
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Yes, interesting quali result. The track does indeed look fun.

Race is live from 9pm on Sky Sports F1. Great time to see it live on a Sunday evening.

ZX10R NIN

13,959 posts

66 months

Sunday 7th April
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The track is like Oulton on steroids it also looks a hard place to pass but a very easy place to out brake yourself, I'm looking forward to this one the pole sitter will be hard to beat.

Sheetmaself

4,083 posts

139 months

Sunday 7th April
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Really interesting qualifying session, glad we finally got some engine noise with a corner to go!

unrepentant

19,276 posts

197 months

Sunday 7th April
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The track is great. I've driven on parts of it in a GLA45 during some MB training there.

It also has one of the best museums you will ever visit. I believe it has the biggest collection of vintage bikes in the world and the largest collection of Lotus cars. It also had a big John Surtees display when I was there. I could have spent all day just in the museum.

InfamousK

556 posts

131 months

Sunday 7th April
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ZX10R NIN said:
The track is like Oulton on steroids it also looks a hard place to pass but a very easy place to out brake yourself, I'm looking forward to this one the pole sitter will be hard to beat.
and so he was!

Dinoboy

1,615 posts

158 months

Sunday 7th April
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Good on him, drove a good race!

David Letterman? I thought it was seasick Steve! laugh

FourWheelDrift

76,762 posts

225 months

Sunday 7th April
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Dinoboy said:
David Letterman? I thought it was seasick Steve! laugh
He's going for the Tramp crossed with God look.

funkyrobot

17,181 posts

169 months

Sunday 7th April
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Enjoyed that. Well done Sato.

Cars looked great at that track.

Long Beach next. Similar time too.

Just checked the schedule and they don't seem to do so many ovals anymore. It is years since I watched an Indycar race live, or paid attention to the schedule though.

CedricN

410 posts

86 months

Monday 8th April
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What a race, very exciting. Although the track made it hard to pass there were still alot of passing, and i really liked the unforgiving run offs, i wonder if its due to the combination of cars and track that made it so easy to make small mistake. very few rookies at the top, seemed hard to get the driving and car setup right. I found the yellow flag a bit odd, they waited so everyone could pit, but i wonder if it isnt the most fair way of doing it after all. I also noticed the standards of driving were very high, very few "verstappen" overtakes where the passing driver just slams into the car in front.

Great driving from Marcus, from 20th to 7th just behind his team mate, similar to last race.