BTCC - Thruxton (August) - Official thread & stuff
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super7 said:
Really think Plato's penalty did not fit the Crime. What actual advantage did he get by having his nose over the line? Probably none and he didn't jump the start.
So a drive through penalty in the first few laps, which effectively puts you last, then penalises you in the next race and the last race is a bit harsh. And let's not forget that we were robbed of seeing Plato going for it and we lost another element of what was good racing.
Seems a totally pointless rule to me...So a drive through penalty in the first few laps, which effectively puts you last, then penalises you in the next race and the last race is a bit harsh. And let's not forget that we were robbed of seeing Plato going for it and we lost another element of what was good racing.
It's a case of what new 'things we can add to spice up the racing'
Are the races any worse for having only 1 compound tyre available ? I think not
The daft increase to the weight penalties they did a year or so back has now been reversed
Dinoboy said:
Sutton getting a bit silly now, seemed to be constantly pushing others off the track.
I can understand his frustration at being relatively slow down the straights, but seemed to me he was way too aggressiverscott said:
super7 said:
Really think Plato's penalty did not fit the Crime. What actual advantage did he get by having his nose over the line? Probably none and he didn't jump the start.
So a drive through penalty in the first few laps, which effectively puts you last, then penalises you in the next race and the last race is a bit harsh. And let's not forget that we were robbed of seeing Plato going for it and we lost another element of what was good racing.
It did bring Plato and Sutton together though.... and Sutton did get involved in a fair bit of wheel banging without question??
I think a 5sec penalty on his race time would have sufficed, It would have penalised a failure to line up correctly but wouldn't have destroyed a drivers whole day..... and I do realise rules are rules and they have a penalty associated with it. Just think that's overly harsh and damaging to the series.
Someone with his experience ought to be able to place his car in the grid slot properly. So a drive through penalty in the first few laps, which effectively puts you last, then penalises you in the next race and the last race is a bit harsh. And let's not forget that we were robbed of seeing Plato going for it and we lost another element of what was good racing.
It did bring Plato and Sutton together though.... and Sutton did get involved in a fair bit of wheel banging without question??
I think a 5sec penalty on his race time would have sufficed, It would have penalised a failure to line up correctly but wouldn't have destroyed a drivers whole day..... and I do realise rules are rules and they have a penalty associated with it. Just think that's overly harsh and damaging to the series.
The penalty isn't new either - quite a few other drivers have received it.
And i'm not referring just to Plato..... it's overly harsh on any of the drivers!!
Dinoboy said:
Sutton getting a bit silly now, seemed to be constantly pushing others off the track.
"I can understand his frustration at being relatively slow down the straights, but seemed to me he was way too aggressiveHe was also weaving left to right across the track in front of people trying to pass him like a 12 year old playing Gran Turismo.
Agree that the Penalty for overshooting your gridbox is something that needs to be reversed. However, in this case (and Plato did acknowledge this so not pointed at him particulary) Rules a Rule, you've been stung by it once then needs to be taken on board? Its pretty much cut and dry and if i'm not mistaken, has been applied unilateraly across the field.
Cameras picked it up straight away well before grid had formed and was pretty blatant, he was #2 on the grid so had plenty of time to sort it out, how come his team didn't let him know to reverse back a couple of inches?
Hopefully the need for this rule can be changed as a cheap penalty to give away, punishment doesn't fit the crime!
Ash Sutton's driving was also questionable as noted already in this forum, i am sure that this is mostly due to his need to defend/strike at every opportunity at a track where his car is clearly at a deficit on the straights compared to his competitors. However, considering his attitude at the Snetterton meeting towards Plato, a bit rich for him to drive in a very similar manor at the very next meeting....
Cameras picked it up straight away well before grid had formed and was pretty blatant, he was #2 on the grid so had plenty of time to sort it out, how come his team didn't let him know to reverse back a couple of inches?
Hopefully the need for this rule can be changed as a cheap penalty to give away, punishment doesn't fit the crime!
Ash Sutton's driving was also questionable as noted already in this forum, i am sure that this is mostly due to his need to defend/strike at every opportunity at a track where his car is clearly at a deficit on the straights compared to his competitors. However, considering his attitude at the Snetterton meeting towards Plato, a bit rich for him to drive in a very similar manor at the very next meeting....
zeb said:
I think sutton needs to have a go in ginetta juniors as thats clearly the age he's acting......
A bit unfair on the Ginetta junior drivers! There was some cracking wing-mirror to wing-mirror racing in the second race & 1st & 2nd shook hands like gentlemen afterwards, with smiles on their faces - both proper enjoyed it.JonChalk said:
A bit unfair on the Ginetta junior drivers! There was some cracking wing-mirror to wing-mirror racing in the second race & 1st & 2nd shook hands like gentlemen afterwards, with smiles on their faces - both proper enjoyed it.
That was the race of the weekend for me, it was brilliant to watch.
poosemon said:
...how come his team didn't let him know to reverse back a couple of inches?...
Jason mentioned in his interview with Louise that there is evidently a deliberate delay in comms between the pit wall & car during the grid formation so they wouldn't be able to advise him. Although by the sounds of what else he said, he did admit he pretty much messed up, should have known better and basically judged the position of the tape on the pit wall wrongly from when he set off for the formation lap & when he pulled up in the box.I think it's also been mentioned either on this thread, or a previous one, that once the grid is forming / formed you can't engage reverse to reposition without a penalty anyway, so he was effectively shafted the moment he came to a halt.
AlexRS2782 said:
Jason mentioned in his interview with Louise that there is evidently a deliberate delay in comms between the pit wall & car during the grid formation so they wouldn't be able to advise him. Although by the sounds of what else he said, he did admit he pretty much messed up, should have known better and basically judged the position of the tape on the pit wall wrongly from when he set off for the formation lap & when he pulled up in the box.
I think it's also been mentioned either on this thread, or a previous one, that once the grid is forming / formed you can't engage reverse to reposition without a penalty anyway, so he was effectively shafted the moment he came to a halt.
No he said there was a delay in the TV broadcast. The teams aren't allowed on the pit wall at the start so couldn't see his car. By the time they saw it on the TVs it was too late to tell him as the race was starting.I think it's also been mentioned either on this thread, or a previous one, that once the grid is forming / formed you can't engage reverse to reposition without a penalty anyway, so he was effectively shafted the moment he came to a halt.
You’ve got to draw a line somewhere on the starting out of position thing and the penalty has to unequivocally outweigh any conceivable benefit or (racing drivers and the BTCC being what they are) before you know it two inches has become a couple of feet and half the grid are out of position looking to put a slightly nicer bit of tarmac under the driving wheels for the initial launch.
Zero and a drive through eliminate any possible doubt on both counts...
Zero and a drive through eliminate any possible doubt on both counts...
JonChalk said:
zeb said:
I think sutton needs to have a go in ginetta juniors as thats clearly the age he's acting......
A bit unfair on the Ginetta junior drivers! There was some cracking wing-mirror to wing-mirror racing in the second race & 1st & 2nd shook hands like gentlemen afterwards, with smiles on their faces - both proper enjoyed it.
Some photos from the weekend, would have been more but was enjoying hospitality with Pirtek racing
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmGiMmS6
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmGiMmS6
Mr Tidy said:
rscott said:
The Brummie said:
Drive through for JP.
Wouldn’t want to do that post race interview!!!!
Completely self inflicted..Wouldn’t want to do that post race interview!!!!
They should have got MN to do the interview!
bigbadbikercats said:
You’ve got to draw a line somewhere on the starting out of position thing and the penalty has to unequivocally outweigh any conceivable benefit or (racing drivers and the BTCC being what they are) before you know it two inches has become a couple of feet and half the grid are out of position looking to put a slightly nicer bit of tarmac under the driving wheels for the initial launch.
Zero and a drive through eliminate any possible doubt on both counts...
Everyone of the 30 odd other drivers managed it didn't they? It was only the most experienced driver (?) on the grid trying to get his ass into the badly parked car thread.Zero and a drive through eliminate any possible doubt on both counts...
Teddy Lop said:
Everyone of the 30 odd other drivers managed it didn't they? It was only the most experienced driver (?) on the grid trying to get his ass into the badly parked car thread.
There was another driver who did the same in that race, can't remember who without watching it again. JP isn't the only one who's done it (Cammish has definitely done it as well and I'm sure there are others) but he's the only one who's done it from the front row (twice) so it's far more obvious.countzero said:
Some photos from the weekend, would have been more but was enjoying hospitality with Pirtek racing
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmGiMmS6
Great photos, I wish I came away from a weekend with photos like that. Mine are usually more suitable for the Motorsport Crap Pics facebook pagehttps://flic.kr/s/aHsmGiMmS6
Kraken said:
There was another driver who did the same in that race, can't remember who without watching it again. JP isn't the only one who's done it (Cammish has definitely done it as well and I'm sure there are others) but he's the only one who's done it from the front row (twice) so it's far more obvious.
I think it was Jack Goff? I seem to remember something in commentary about his name being called for a drive through at the same time as Jason was.Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff