Massive F2 Crash Eau Rouge
Discussion
usn90 said:
freedman said:
So the driver in front either made that decision, or didn't have the extra tenth of reaction time to veer right as Correa did
He didn't make a concious decision to run off track, it appears he just instinctively went to the right as the accident appeared in front of him. He would still have done that were gravel here instead of hardstanding
I’m not convinced he would have, The run off there is used a lot.He didn't make a concious decision to run off track, it appears he just instinctively went to the right as the accident appeared in front of him. He would still have done that were gravel here instead of hardstanding
None of us know if it was instinct or a decision to go off track.
Just to be clear I do not think Correa is at fault
Not sure if it appropriate to post a link.
Edited by ralphrj on Thursday 5th September 09:22
ralphrj said:
usn90 said:
freedman said:
So the driver in front either made that decision, or didn't have the extra tenth of reaction time to veer right as Correa did
He didn't make a concious decision to run off track, it appears he just instinctively went to the right as the accident appeared in front of him. He would still have done that were gravel here instead of hardstanding
I’m not convinced he would have, The run off there is used a lot.He didn't make a concious decision to run off track, it appears he just instinctively went to the right as the accident appeared in front of him. He would still have done that were gravel here instead of hardstanding
None of us know if it was instinct or a decision to go off track.
Just to be clear I do not think Correa is at fault
Not sure if it appropriate to post a link.
Edited by ralphrj on Thursday 5th September 09:22
ralphrj said:
pidsy said:
There was an incident for Correa prior to the accident. There is a vid up showing Correa with a rear puncture coming over the crest.
I hadn't seen that. In that case it sounds very much like Correa was a passenger.2019 spa f2 Hubert fatal crash - how it happened.
It’s about 1min 42 long.
R.I.P Antoine Hubert & fingers crossed for Correa’s recovery
In my opinion, the more we learn about the sequence of events which conspired to create such a devastating outcome, the more it illustrates the danger which is inherent to motor racing. We cannot expect to be able to fully mitigate that danger- not until the race cars are unmanned and the circuits exist in an exclusion zone.
The way some people talk about this loss of life, you’d think they believe that the driver was sadly taken while doing his ‘job’.
Motor racing is not a ‘job’, but a passion. The reason it continues in spite of the (thankfully few) fatalities are because people continue to be inspired by, and passionate about it. It’s a ‘calling’. Competition continues in this spirit.
I am grateful for the constant development in the safety of modern cars which makes fatal accidents in the professional sport so rare. I am grateful for the improvements to circuits, circuit facilities and marshalling which keeps historic circuits viable and affects a trickle-down effect to club level motorsport, track days etc.
I don’t want Eau Rouge / Raidillon re-profiled or slowed down. I also think you’d be hard pushed to find any competitors who do.
There but for the grace of god...
In my opinion, the more we learn about the sequence of events which conspired to create such a devastating outcome, the more it illustrates the danger which is inherent to motor racing. We cannot expect to be able to fully mitigate that danger- not until the race cars are unmanned and the circuits exist in an exclusion zone.
The way some people talk about this loss of life, you’d think they believe that the driver was sadly taken while doing his ‘job’.
Motor racing is not a ‘job’, but a passion. The reason it continues in spite of the (thankfully few) fatalities are because people continue to be inspired by, and passionate about it. It’s a ‘calling’. Competition continues in this spirit.
I am grateful for the constant development in the safety of modern cars which makes fatal accidents in the professional sport so rare. I am grateful for the improvements to circuits, circuit facilities and marshalling which keeps historic circuits viable and affects a trickle-down effect to club level motorsport, track days etc.
I don’t want Eau Rouge / Raidillon re-profiled or slowed down. I also think you’d be hard pushed to find any competitors who do.
There but for the grace of god...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71swR2GsWLY
A very good analysis of the accident..no graphic coverage at all.
A very good analysis of the accident..no graphic coverage at all.
freedman said:
That video really shows just how many things went wrong for different cars in a split second
That video is missing one of the other videos, which shows one of the cars immediately ahead of Correa getting very out of shape. Correa had to go right to avoid a different accident. I can't decide if he had a right-rear puncture, or merely locked up the right-rear wheel.What is clear is that he didn't start braking until he was close to Hubert. He ran through the early part of the run-off at close to full speed.
RDMcG said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71swR2GsWLY
A very good analysis of the accident..no graphic coverage at all.
It is certainly gentle. It rather misses out all the other cars, or why Correa ended up going right (it wasn't to avoid Alesi).A very good analysis of the accident..no graphic coverage at all.
In terms of this "Hubert was bounced back into the track" discussion, I think what most people mean is that his car was bounced back into the path of other cars, which were travelling at undiminished speed over Tarmac. With the "not quite all 4 wheels over the line" rules, cars routinely use a portion of the run-off area as an extension of the track.
Personally I'm all for gravel, purely because it will remove the expectation of using that run-off at full speed from the drivers' minds, requiring them to think of other solutions (such as getting on the brakes rather than assuming they can just power around an incident).
Had there been gravel there, Beauchamp would have braked hard to avoid Alesi. Hubert would have had to do likewise, as would all the cars behind them.
I also wonder if the position of martial posts around that section need to be revised, and comms revisited, so that double waved yellows can be thrown asap in the event of a crash?
skwdenyer said:
It is certainly gentle. It rather misses out all the other cars, or why Correa ended up going right (it wasn't to avoid Alesi).
In terms of this "Hubert was bounced back into the track" discussion, I think what most people mean is that his car was bounced back into the path of other cars, which were travelling at undiminished speed over Tarmac. With the "not quite all 4 wheels over the line" rules, cars routinely use a portion of the run-off area as an extension of the track.
Personally I'm all for gravel, purely because it will remove the expectation of using that run-off at full speed from the drivers' minds, requiring them to think of other solutions (such as getting on the brakes rather than assuming they can just power around an incident).
Had there been gravel there, Beauchamp would have braked hard to avoid Alesi. Hubert would have had to do likewise, as would all the cars behind them.
I also wonder if the position of martial posts around that section need to be revised, and comms revisited, so that double waved yellows can be thrown asap in the event of a crash?
That’s exactly what I was getting at regarding the gravel deterring drivers from full blasting off the track.In terms of this "Hubert was bounced back into the track" discussion, I think what most people mean is that his car was bounced back into the path of other cars, which were travelling at undiminished speed over Tarmac. With the "not quite all 4 wheels over the line" rules, cars routinely use a portion of the run-off area as an extension of the track.
Personally I'm all for gravel, purely because it will remove the expectation of using that run-off at full speed from the drivers' minds, requiring them to think of other solutions (such as getting on the brakes rather than assuming they can just power around an incident).
Had there been gravel there, Beauchamp would have braked hard to avoid Alesi. Hubert would have had to do likewise, as would all the cars behind them.
I also wonder if the position of martial posts around that section need to be revised, and comms revisited, so that double waved yellows can be thrown asap in the event of a crash?
I have personally wondered for a few years now why it was all tarmac, it promotes a get though it as fast as possible mentality when accidents occur
usn90 said:
That’s exactly what I was getting at regarding the gravel deterring drivers from full blasting off the track.
I have personally wondered for a few years now why it was all tarmac, it promotes a get though it as fast as possible mentality when accidents occur
Interestingly, when I was driving there in June we had a long discussion and walk on the track there. At the time the instructor made the point that if you got off line you could simply drift out onto the runoff rather than the fatal error of trying to correct as you crested the hill. It seemed to make sense to me.I have personally wondered for a few years now why it was all tarmac, it promotes a get though it as fast as possible mentality when accidents occur
I can see the point of gravel if it improves F1 safety naturally.
RDMcG said:
usn90 said:
That’s exactly what I was getting at regarding the gravel deterring drivers from full blasting off the track.
I have personally wondered for a few years now why it was all tarmac, it promotes a get though it as fast as possible mentality when accidents occur
Interestingly, when I was driving there in June we had a long discussion and walk on the track there. At the time the instructor made the point that if you got off line you could simply drift out onto the runoff rather than the fatal error of trying to correct as you crested the hill. It seemed to make sense to me.I have personally wondered for a few years now why it was all tarmac, it promotes a get though it as fast as possible mentality when accidents occur
I can see the point of gravel if it improves F1 safety naturally.
skwdenyer said:
But if the runoff wasn't there, perhaps you'd have been more circumspect going over the crest?
It is a tricky place, especially for an average club driver who has only driven there twice. I had an instructor and after a while I got reasonably competent at it, but there was some comfort that I was not going to rip the bottom of the car off on the gravel. Still, I do not think it affected my approach. A couple of cars were badly damaged that day without gravel on other parts of the track. No good answer.For proper competitive drivers as in F2 or F1 it is a world of difference from amateurs like me obviously.
Juan Manuel Correa is now in an induced coma after being diagnosed with acute respiratory distress syndrome. Hope things turn round for him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/49619035
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/49619035
RDMcG said:
Interestingly, when I was driving there in June we had a long discussion and walk on the track there. At the time the instructor made the point that if you got off line you could simply drift out onto the runoff rather than the fatal error of trying to correct as you crested the hill. It seemed to make sense to me.
I can see the point of gravel if it improves F1 safety naturally.
The problem is if you replace the tarmac with gravel and drivers will try to correct to avoid the gravel and potentially causing more incidents and collisions and increasing the risk to the drivers. I'm sure this will be addressed in the FIA enquiry.I can see the point of gravel if it improves F1 safety naturally.
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