Ferrari: Enginegate
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Seen a few (admittedly less than credible) links on social media claiming that there is to be a protest or questions asked about the legality of the latest Ferrari engine.
One mentioned deliberately leaking oil from intercoolers to burn as fuel.
Do we think there is any truth in it? Renault probably hope so as it would take some attention away from them.
One mentioned deliberately leaking oil from intercoolers to burn as fuel.
Do we think there is any truth in it? Renault probably hope so as it would take some attention away from them.
CustardOnChips said:
Seen a few (admittedly less than credible) links on social media claiming that there is to be a protest or questions asked about the legality of the latest Ferrari engine.
One mentioned deliberately leaking oil from intercoolers to burn as fuel.
Do we think there is any truth in it? Renault probably hope so as it would take some attention away from them.
Sure their motor is as leaky and oily as a leaky oily thing.One mentioned deliberately leaking oil from intercoolers to burn as fuel.
Do we think there is any truth in it? Renault probably hope so as it would take some attention away from them.
Time will tell where the speed came from but previously the Red team’s bendy misdemeanours have sometimes just disappeared along with their speed.
Graveworm said:
I think, technically, engines are exempt as the teams are "customers" of separate divisions IIRC.
As for sources it's not just Social media it's a lot of the more mainstream motorsport media. That siad as with Renault it's chicken and the egg, Without knowing what they are doing it's tough to make a complaint and without one FIA probably won't investigate especially Ferrari. Have not seen the article, but I would be inclined to take it with a pinch of salt.
Inter coolers are either Air to Air, or in F1 Water to Air. Where does the oil come from? The FIA now monitor oil consumption very closely. My understanding was that when oil was being consumed, it was being done in party modes during 1-lap qually.
During the race the quantity needed would be too great.
To my mind, when you see the Ferrari pull away out of a corner, it looks like electrical power is being deployed at a much higher rate before the ICE is producing maximum power.
Whatever Ferrari have done, it looks very impressive and does not seem to manifest itself in their customer teams.
Inter coolers are either Air to Air, or in F1 Water to Air. Where does the oil come from? The FIA now monitor oil consumption very closely. My understanding was that when oil was being consumed, it was being done in party modes during 1-lap qually.
During the race the quantity needed would be too great.
To my mind, when you see the Ferrari pull away out of a corner, it looks like electrical power is being deployed at a much higher rate before the ICE is producing maximum power.
Whatever Ferrari have done, it looks very impressive and does not seem to manifest itself in their customer teams.
rdjohn said:
Have not seen the article, but I would be inclined to take it with a pinch of salt.
Inter coolers are either Air to Air, or in F1 Water to Air. Where does the oil come from? The FIA now monitor oil consumption very closely. My understanding was that when oil was being consumed, it was being done in party modes during 1-lap qually.
Ferrari use oil in their intercooler according to Autosport and are the only team that does so. Coolers can be air to air or liquid to air. Doesn't have to be water. The monitoring of oil burn is from the oil used to lubricate the engine. Not sure if the FIA tests would pick up on oil coming from elsewhere as I think they monitor oil consumption rather than mixture.Inter coolers are either Air to Air, or in F1 Water to Air. Where does the oil come from? The FIA now monitor oil consumption very closely. My understanding was that when oil was being consumed, it was being done in party modes during 1-lap qually.
This is one of those fishing enquires to the FIA. The others teams are asking for clarification if they can develop similar systems. I Expect a clarification of technical rules but not any censure of what Ferrari have done so far.. The Renault brake one is a straight accusation of rule breaking.
Mr Dendrite said:
Kraken said:
Thing is though that, according to the reports, the FIA are refusing to clarify anything saying teams have to protest if they think Ferrari are doing something wrong.
Interesting, thanks.Although I've read this week that teams used to be able to approach Charlie Whiting unofficially to avoid lodging a protest. It's an unwritten rule that teams do not protect each other without hard evidence. Whiting's sudden death has left a gap in this process.
So the only way to avoid a direct protest of Ferrari would be to design something that replicates what you think Ferrari are doing and submit it to the FIA for approval? If they say yes off you go if they say no.... I think the teams are trying to smoke out the detail of what Ferrari are doing through a clarification rather than protesting and being told it’s fine, end of, and up to you to work it out?
Kraken said:
rdjohn said:
Have not seen the article, but I would be inclined to take it with a pinch of salt.
Inter coolers are either Air to Air, or in F1 Water to Air. Where does the oil come from? The FIA now monitor oil consumption very closely. My understanding was that when oil was being consumed, it was being done in party modes during 1-lap qually.
Ferrari use oil in their intercooler according to Autosport and are the only team that does so. Coolers can be air to air or liquid to air. Doesn't have to be water. The monitoring of oil burn is from the oil used to lubricate the engine. Not sure if the FIA tests would pick up on oil coming from elsewhere as I think they monitor oil consumption rather than mixture.Inter coolers are either Air to Air, or in F1 Water to Air. Where does the oil come from? The FIA now monitor oil consumption very closely. My understanding was that when oil was being consumed, it was being done in party modes during 1-lap qually.
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