Karting craziness

Karting craziness

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mat205125

16,169 posts

179 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Apologies for lack of research, but is this the UK???

Petrus1983

4,891 posts

128 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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mat205125 said:
Apologies for lack of research, but is this the UK???
Italy.

Adrian W

11,873 posts

194 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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vaud said:
EFA

As noted, this isn't an assault in terms of something a driver might expect - an over enthusiastic overtake leading to a crash.

It was premeditated throwing of a bumper at a competitor within intent to cause harm,. And then a deliberate attack (in parc ferme?)

Now we need to see more footage and evidence of what led up to both incidents but at first glance...
It doesn't matter what led up to it, there is absolutely no mitigation for what he and his father did, both should be thrown out of any association with motorsport of any kind.

df76

3,075 posts

244 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Adrian W said:
vaud said:
EFA

As noted, this isn't an assault in terms of something a driver might expect - an over enthusiastic overtake leading to a crash.

It was premeditated throwing of a bumper at a competitor within intent to cause harm,. And then a deliberate attack (in parc ferme?)

Now we need to see more footage and evidence of what led up to both incidents but at first glance...
It doesn't matter what led up to it, there is absolutely no mitigation for what he and his father did, both should be thrown out of any association with motorsport of any kind.
It looks like he also ripped the bumper off of his own kart to use as a weapon.. that's not going to help his cause.

vaud

40,749 posts

121 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Adrian W said:
It doesn't matter what led up to it, there is absolutely no mitigation for what he and his father did, both should be thrown out of any association with motorsport of any kind.
I agree completely - from what we have seen

BUT we need to see all of the evidence and witness statements in front of the right FIA panel. Trial by selective twitter video is not good.

Adrian W

11,873 posts

194 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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is it right that Massa is the FIA karting president, and he was there?


Ahh https://the-race.com/junior/massa-expected-to-lead...

usn90

563 posts

36 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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DanS said:
Because they both assaulted a minor.
A minor? I know he’s small but this is a senior class

Petrus1983

4,891 posts

128 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Adrian W said:
is it right that Massa is the FIA karting president, and he was there?


Ahh https://the-race.com/junior/massa-expected-to-lead...
Surely he’s a great choice - loads of experience at the highest level, has been seriously hurt in racing, has a son who looks like he’ll try motorsport, well respected by the highest levels of the FIA, must be good friends with Brawn if extra advice needed. The list goes on.

Digger

12,132 posts

157 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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usn90 said:
DanS said:
Because they both assaulted a minor.
A minor? I know he’s small but this is a senior class
The other driver seemingly won his first senior race In 2008 when he would have been . . . 4 years of age? He is probably older than 16.

bucksmanuk

1,710 posts

136 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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As a scrutineer, watching competitors squaring up to each other in Parc Ferme happens more often than people realise. Especially if the culprit can operate away from the gaze of the public, like the old Parc Ferme at Donington or the quieter side of Silverstone.

If I do a dozen meetings a year, I’ll see 150-200 race/practice sessions per annum. Good old fashioned shouting at each other - I’ll probably see 7 or 8 times a year. We walk away… Watching them stomp up to the car and grabbing hold of the other driver by their racing suit is amusing, but it’s also assault – this probably happens 2-3 times a year. In 20 years I’ve seen half a dozen proper fights. It usually stops 5 seconds after it starts. One fight got serious quickly, and 2 of us barged in and had to stop it. They were "requested" by upstairs to come to the bay later and apologize for their actions.

With everyone on camera these days, it tends to be a bit more civilised. Usually the red mist has gone after a minute or 2, and calmer heads prevail.

The muppet on the video has anger management issues if he’s still that mad after the race has finished. If I’m reading the screen correctly, this happened on lap 10 of 25, so he’s waited a good few minutes to complete what’s he’s started.

Motor sport does not need hot heads like this.

jeff666

1,960 posts

157 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Jenson Button tweeting he needs a lifetime ban,

He has lost his chance of a racing career now thru his actions.


Drawweight

1,633 posts

82 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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jeff666 said:
Jenson Button tweeting he needs a lifetime ban,

He has lost his chance of a racing career now thru his actions.
You'd think that but Dan Ticktum and Romano Fenati to name but 2 suggest it might not be the end of the world.

The Wookie

12,628 posts

194 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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I think the occasional stand up ruck is part and parcel of the heat of motorsport. As has been said, even on televised series there's a lot that goes on that doesn't get spotted.

I've probably had more than half a dozen since I got my license back in 2005ish. Most of them were just a bit of arguing and posturing, sometimes inflamed to insults by a few trappy entourage members on either side. I've had stand up rows with pretty heavy team members before but they don't usually escalate any further because people aren't stupid and know the consequences.

The only one I've ever had which escalated was with a notorious and particularly Bratty driver who nearly put me in the wall on a fast corner, so I reclaimed the position at the next slow corner in a 'firm' but not illegal manner (by touring car regs at the time anyway)...

He was in the bay next to us in the pitlane and immediately started gobbing off at me after the race. It was just the usual verbals between family/team members until he walked over to my old man (rather than big old me, the coward) and shoved him hard enough to bounce him off my car and near enough put him on his arse. I admit lost my rag at that point, I got him by the collar and got as far as winding up to lamp him one when my entire team pounced on me to stop me.

He actually did the same move later in the day to someone else and caused a massive accident so clearly it didn't have any influence on his decision making.

Anyway, my point is that it's one thing to have a bit of a ruck about an incident, it's another to start lobbing solid objects at passing drivers and running in full pelt to give someone a hiding after the race is over. Even with the NASCAR boys it's normally group verbals escalating into a bit of shoving or at most a few slaps, not a full on blind run and psycho assault at an unsuspecting person

FourWheelDrift

82,287 posts

250 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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ajprice said:
Is there any video of the on track crash that started it all? Whatever happened it's not an excuse to throw a bumper at them then go at them in the paddock. I've seen a few videos of punted drivers waiting for the next lap to flick the V's or whatever at the other driver, and the Piquet/Salazar 1982 punch up. This was something else though.
From the commentary it sounds like it was televised but perhaps just missed the incident (fewer cameras?) starts with him getting out of the barrier - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zi-i8BoIG0

Some lines in the grass showing his route off.

Petrus1983

4,891 posts

128 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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There’s people like Bucksman and a whole chain of ‘command’ for want of a better word to deal with what happens on track. As a driver you cannot a) try and throw objects at fast moving karts (especially when you get the wrong kart), b) ignore instructions as to how to leave the ‘live’ circuit thereby putting marshall’s at risk, and then c) once in parc fermé take advantage of the fact your dad owns the circuit to physically attack him. For these reasons I genuinely, and for the first time I’ve felt this, a lifetime ban is in order.

stinkyspanner

357 posts

43 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Whilst I don't know either of the drivers, a lot of the guys I race with do know Luca (the nosecone thrower). There is much more to this than meets the eye, an ongoing family fued for one thing. Make no mistake, a KZ kart is a seriously fast machine, it would make a Rotax max look silly and so if the other driver had tried to bury me at over 100mph in a premeditated move I'd want to punch him into next week too. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that, but the little guy is certainly not innocent in this rather ugly incident.


Teppic

5,772 posts

223 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Massa has promised there will be "consequences", while Luca Corberi says he asked officials to take his licence away, and claims he will never race again.

https://the-race.com/junior/karter-who-attacked-ri...

Gary C

7,932 posts

145 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Pericoloso said:
Nampahc Niloc said:
Hope they get the police involved.
Why is this a police matter ?

The championship promoter or local MSA should fine and ban him .
Assault

Thought that should have been obvious.

Gary C

7,932 posts

145 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Teppic said:
while Luca Corberi says he asked officials to take his licence away, and claims he will never race again.
Oh boo hoo

Good riddance

pidsy

6,395 posts

123 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Teppic said:
Massa has promised there will be "consequences", while Luca Corberi says he asked officials to take his licence away, and claims he will never race again.

https://the-race.com/junior/karter-who-attacked-ri...
So he wasn’t even an official entrant?
He was racing for “fun” - what a cock.