Crash and Burn - The Story of Tommy Byrne

Crash and Burn - The Story of Tommy Byrne

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Johnny 89

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824 posts

152 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Hi folks,

I watched this documentary last weekend and found it very interesting. Has anyone else seen it and, if so, what are your thoughts on his career?

Does anyone here remember when he was racing, either Formula Ford, Formula 3 or F1? Would be really interested to hear your opinions.

Edited by Johnny 89 on Wednesday 13th January 16:14

Pinger23

105 posts

225 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Yes watched it - really interesting and I had not heard of him before.

Its on Amazon Prime, I would also recommend it, thanks for the tip.

velocemitch

3,808 posts

220 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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The book of the same name is quite good too. (must find the film)
Not sure his attitude was compatible with motorsport of that era, even less in todays PC times.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Saw it when it came out, the man threw away a potentially great career because he was a massive cock, pretty much sums it up.

Matty3

1,177 posts

84 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Raced against Tommy Byrne in the 1980 P&O FF championship at Croft - Tommy was in the works Van Diemen. Extremely talented driver who raced hard but fair. He was very confident of his own ability even then.

I recall in 1981 Tommy raced in FF2000 and F3 but returned to do the FF festival at Brands for Van Diemen whose driver Ayrton Senna had decided to retire and return to Brazil!!, thank goodness he reconsidered. Tommy won the final.

Should have progressed to the very top but arrogance and circumstances conspired to prevent this.

Edited by Matty3 on Wednesday 13th January 18:28

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

46 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Very much agree with Matty and you can see it even now when you hear him talk, just needed a bit of managing, his latter career was spectacular in its indulgence.

A lot of hype about one McLaren test, one test does not make a driver it's that obvious!

944 Man

1,743 posts

132 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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I have it but I have found it difficult to watch. Tommy Byrne had a prodigious talent but a difficult personality and that really comes across. I wish that I could steer like Tommy Byrne, but I am glad that I am not like Tommy Byrne.

Edited by 944 Man on Wednesday 13th January 19:05

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Great story but boy does he come across as a total knob when you hear him talk.

Johnny 89

Original Poster:

824 posts

152 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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All of the above pretty much echoes my thoughts so thanks for the contributions folks. Especially interesting to hear the first hand experience so thanks for that Matty.

944 Man

1,743 posts

132 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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I think that my uncle raced with him as well. He certainly raced with ASdS. I have been meaning to ask.

rastapasta

1,861 posts

138 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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Tommy Byrne didn't make it to the top because he was never fit enough. It never seemed to dawn upon him that in order to wrestle a 600 or 700bhp malcontent around a track into the latter parts f race required a degree of strength and stamina which can only be obtained through fitness. He would rather go Party, drink and smoke which, while adding to the mystique, ensure that he became one of the sports lesser 'what ifs'.

Credit to him getting so far given where he came from (ie a border town more associated with terrorism at the time) and with absolutely no backing whatsoever. But for me hes probably only barely in the top ten of drivers Ireland has produced in either rallying or on the circuit, and especially bearing in mind the fact that they haven't produced very many. And this is from someone who is from near where hes from.

The greatest 'what if' from that island is Martin Donnelly.

generationx

6,712 posts

105 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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rastapasta said:
Tommy Byrne didn't make it to the top because he was never fit enough. It never seemed to dawn upon him that in order to wrestle a 600 or 700bhp malcontent around a track into the latter parts f race required a degree of strength and stamina which can only be obtained through fitness. He would rather go Party, drink and smoke which, while adding to the mystique, ensure that he became one of the sports lesser 'what ifs'.

Credit to him getting so far given where he came from (ie a border town more associated with terrorism at the time) and with absolutely no backing whatsoever. But for me hes probably only barely in the top ten of drivers Ireland has produced in either rallying or on the circuit, and especially bearing in mind the fact that they haven't produced very many. And this is from someone who is from near where hes from.

The greatest 'what if' from that island is Martin Donnelly.
In a Motorsport podcast a few years ago they had an audience with Tommy Byrne. As echoed above he came across as a bellend.

As for Martin Donnelly - a few years ago I was lucky enough to be taken out on a racetrack by him in an Alfa 4C during a car launch event. What an utterly charming gentleman.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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generationx said:
In a Motorsport podcast a few years ago they had an audience with Tommy Byrne. As echoed above he came across as a bellend.
That was the one that sprang to my mind when I commented above! When a really interesting podcast drops I like to set myself a nice walk for an hour or so to enjoy it in the local woods, Tommy's was no different apart from grimacing through pretty much all of it.

I think he did an American podcast, I forget the name of it but the one where they sit down to dinner with the interviewee and it was the same-a total boor that had a hugely inflated opinion of himself.

entropy

5,431 posts

203 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Great story but boy does he come across as a total knob when you hear him talk.
The McLaren test byrned into legend and mythology and easy to paint him as a victim if you didn't know much about the guy.

I seem to remember Brundle's response, struggling to come up with something PC and non-libelous, was rather telling about Tommy's character even before contemporary footage was shown.

He's seems to have mellowed a bit these days.

Greater interview with Dinners WIth Racers https://media.blubrry.com/dinnerwithracers/s/s3-us...

Had it been two wheels he would've more likely to have been a proper legend with the accolades.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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Dinners with Racers, that's the one! Great premise for a podcast although naturally a little American-centric with the subject matter. Haven't listened for over a year so might have to delve back in and see who's been on.

Eric Mc

121,958 posts

265 months

Wednesday 20th January 2021
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I remember Byrne racing Formula Fords in The Phoenix Park races. His most memorable moment was when he demolished one of the Victorian gas lamp standards - and split his car in half. He was very lucky not to have been killed.


majordad

3,601 posts

197 months

Monday 15th February 2021
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Was that TB Eric, and was it not a Formula Vee ? One of our minds is going , there’s photo somewhere in a Irish Motorsport Annual of the happening.

Eric Mc

121,958 posts

265 months

Wednesday 17th February 2021
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I've seen the photograph as well but I couldn't find it on the internet. It may be in one of my old Phoenix Park programmes, which are somewhere in the loft. I'm pretty sure that Byrne had an accident like that - but it was over 40 years ago so my memory may not be accurate.

Eric Mc

121,958 posts

265 months

Wednesday 17th February 2021
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Is this the accident you are thinking of?


cwdude

18 posts

38 months

Wednesday 17th February 2021
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Car in that accident is a formula Vee. Dont think Bryne ever raced vee's. Scary accident nonetheless