Formula E 2021 race and season discussion
Discussion
ajprice said:
Safety car time means an energy reduction, for an EV, that's fair enough in the rules. 5 safety car periods have thrown a curve ball into the rulebook. Are they filming a Drive To Survive type series for this? The stewards room today is going to be interesting 
But they went from 19% to 4% with 2 laps top run - the last reduction was huge and meant almost noone finished...It was farcical and went from being reasonable interesting to a huge disappointment at the end.
Byker28i said:
ajprice said:
Safety car time means an energy reduction, for an EV, that's fair enough in the rules. 5 safety car periods have thrown a curve ball into the rulebook. Are they filming a Drive To Survive type series for this? The stewards room today is going to be interesting
But they went from 19% to 4% with 2 laps top run - the last reduction was huge and meant almost noone finished...It was farcical and went from being reasonable interesting to a huge disappointment at the end.
Watched it yesterday, initially with a degree of interest but eventually with much disdain. Imagine if, subsequent to the Bottas/Russell red flag last weekend, an FIA official had wandered down the pit lane siphoning 10 Litres of fuel out of each surviving car....
These Gen. 2 cars do look a bit lost on a "proper" circuit but whenever Gen. 3 comes along speeds should be up to approximately F2.5 levels (ie half way between F2 and F3). That might be watchable. Monaco should be fun this year though.
Just a thought on the much vaunted sustainability issue. Over the last century there has been a pattern of evolution for top flight piston engined race cars. They are developed, shine in their given field, are retired under a dust cover and reappear 10 years later as a valuable collectors' car or return to the tracks in historic racing. That's proper and efficient recycling for you.
What on earth has happened to the first 6 seasons' worth of FE cars ? Built in obsolescence after one year. I think there was a plan to sell them off as trackday/speed hillclimb cars a couple of years ago but a queue didn't form at the door. So is there a landfill site full of one year old battery powered cars somewhere ?
These Gen. 2 cars do look a bit lost on a "proper" circuit but whenever Gen. 3 comes along speeds should be up to approximately F2.5 levels (ie half way between F2 and F3). That might be watchable. Monaco should be fun this year though.
Just a thought on the much vaunted sustainability issue. Over the last century there has been a pattern of evolution for top flight piston engined race cars. They are developed, shine in their given field, are retired under a dust cover and reappear 10 years later as a valuable collectors' car or return to the tracks in historic racing. That's proper and efficient recycling for you.
What on earth has happened to the first 6 seasons' worth of FE cars ? Built in obsolescence after one year. I think there was a plan to sell them off as trackday/speed hillclimb cars a couple of years ago but a queue didn't form at the door. So is there a landfill site full of one year old battery powered cars somewhere ?
Edited by moffspeed on Sunday 25th April 10:49
Mr_Thyroid said:
Of course the organisers need to ensure something like this doesn't happen again any time soon but as a viewer, I tuned in to hopefully watch something dramatic, and I got something dramatic.
How many safety cars has Lottera caused this season? 3 from 5 races?
I dunno, they seem to revel in the silliness of it all so far as I can tell. As per my comments above concerning the crash-o-matic chicane they've installed on the otherwise sensible race circuit.How many safety cars has Lottera caused this season? 3 from 5 races?
I'd be livid if I were properly invested in the series or the drivers but we kind of see it as a comedic unfortunant ending for anyone unlucky or not good enough, whenever an f1 driver ferks up its "off to formula e already lol"
Mr_Thyroid said:
Of course the organisers need to ensure something like this doesn't happen again any time soon but as a viewer, I tuned in to hopefully watch something dramatic, and I got something dramatic.
How many safety cars has Lottera caused this season? 3 from 5 races?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for a bit of drama during a race, but three quarters of the field running out of juice before the end of the race because FE have decided to reduce everyone’s power allocation isn’t drama, it’s a joke!How many safety cars has Lottera caused this season? 3 from 5 races?
Sammo123 said:
Just sat and watched the replay. What sort of race series allows the cars to all run out of power before the end of the race!? It’s just utter utter crap. I try and watch a race every once in a while to see if it’s got any better, but it just doesn’t.
They didn't "all" run out of power though did they?Can't please all the people all the time. They introduced the taking away power under SC rule when fans complained that power was being saved under the SC and it took away the strategy of the race.
Kraken said:
They didn't "all" run out of power though did they?
Can't please all the people all the time. They introduced the taking away power under SC rule when fans complained that power was being saved under the SC and it took away the strategy of the race.
I do apologise. Most of the cars ran out of power. Can't please all the people all the time. They introduced the taking away power under SC rule when fans complained that power was being saved under the SC and it took away the strategy of the race.
Surely saving power during safety car periods is no different to saving fuel / tyres during any other type of motor race? It’s all part of the race. FE got it so wrong.
Sammo123 said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Of course the organisers need to ensure something like this doesn't happen again any time soon but as a viewer, I tuned in to hopefully watch something dramatic, and I got something dramatic.
How many safety cars has Lottera caused this season? 3 from 5 races?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for a bit of drama during a race, but three quarters of the field running out of juice before the end of the race because FE have decided to reduce everyone’s power allocation isn’t drama, it’s a joke!How many safety cars has Lottera caused this season? 3 from 5 races?
Sammo123 said:
I do apologise. Most of the cars ran out of power.
Surely saving power during safety car periods is no different to saving fuel / tyres during any other type of motor race? It’s all part of the race. FE got it so wrong.
So how come Mercedes and Virgin managed to finish with energy to spare? The other teams got their sums wrong at the end of the day.Surely saving power during safety car periods is no different to saving fuel / tyres during any other type of motor race? It’s all part of the race. FE got it so wrong.
moffspeed said:
Looking at Lotterer's form in FE over the last year or so I'm sure he ardently wishes that he (and Porsche) had remained in the WEC.
Within a couple of hours of this post Lotterer finishes in a strong second place in round 6.This is probably why William Hill send me a lovely Christmas card every year.
I dip into FE from time to time. Every single random time without fail I have watched a race there has always been:
A) Bumper car crashes at silly tight corners/chicanes.
B) Somebody getting a penalty for some bulls
t reason.
C) Someone running out of power.
D) Someone disqualified for some bullst reason.
Is there a reason why they can't just have a full battery charge then go as hard as they like and energy manage during the race, like fuel? No overboost nonsense, no too much power usage cobblers, just 100% battery at the start and go as you like.
A) Bumper car crashes at silly tight corners/chicanes.
B) Somebody getting a penalty for some bulls
t reason. C) Someone running out of power.
D) Someone disqualified for some bulls
t reason.Is there a reason why they can't just have a full battery charge then go as hard as they like and energy manage during the race, like fuel? No overboost nonsense, no too much power usage cobblers, just 100% battery at the start and go as you like.
Speed Badger said:
I dip into FE from time to time. Every single random time without fail I have watched a race there has always been:
A) Bumper car crashes at silly tight corners/chicanes.
B) Somebody getting a penalty for some bullst reason.
C) Someone running out of power.
D) Someone disqualified for some bullst reason.
Is there a reason why they can't just have a full battery charge then go as hard as they like and energy manage during the race, like fuel? No overboost nonsense, no too much power usage cobblers, just 100% battery at the start and go as you like.
Apparently the fans don’t like the drivers hammering the car from start to finish! They want them all pissing around, crashing into each other while they’re dawdling around trying to save enough battery to finish the race A) Bumper car crashes at silly tight corners/chicanes.
B) Somebody getting a penalty for some bulls
t reason. C) Someone running out of power.
D) Someone disqualified for some bulls
t reason.Is there a reason why they can't just have a full battery charge then go as hard as they like and energy manage during the race, like fuel? No overboost nonsense, no too much power usage cobblers, just 100% battery at the start and go as you like.
Sammo123 said:
Speed Badger said:
I dip into FE from time to time. Every single random time without fail I have watched a race there has always been:
A) Bumper car crashes at silly tight corners/chicanes.
B) Somebody getting a penalty for some bullst reason.
C) Someone running out of power.
D) Someone disqualified for some bullst reason.
Is there a reason why they can't just have a full battery charge then go as hard as they like and energy manage during the race, like fuel? No overboost nonsense, no too much power usage cobblers, just 100% battery at the start and go as you like.
Apparently the fans don’t like the drivers hammering the car from start to finish! They want them all pissing around, crashing into each other while they’re dawdling around trying to save enough battery to finish the race A) Bumper car crashes at silly tight corners/chicanes.
B) Somebody getting a penalty for some bulls
t reason. C) Someone running out of power.
D) Someone disqualified for some bulls
t reason.Is there a reason why they can't just have a full battery charge then go as hard as they like and energy manage during the race, like fuel? No overboost nonsense, no too much power usage cobblers, just 100% battery at the start and go as you like.
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