2022 Rallying Thread (WRC, ERC and national rally)
Discussion
The main issue as with a lot of motorsport behind paywalls is that not even f1 can really expand because of it, it is SOLELY< ONLY done for profit, not to expand the sport and reach out to new followers.
football, maybe NFL and a few other sports can only truly benefit from being paywalled, a very minor sport like WRC, WEC, rallycross, and several others should never be there as it simply restricts the viewers. it is a very mild form of gambling,
"You cant watch it unless you pay us, we will tease you, and hide what you want behind little bits of output to try and tantalise you, Games and gaming have been doing this for decades,
football, maybe NFL and a few other sports can only truly benefit from being paywalled, a very minor sport like WRC, WEC, rallycross, and several others should never be there as it simply restricts the viewers. it is a very mild form of gambling,
"You cant watch it unless you pay us, we will tease you, and hide what you want behind little bits of output to try and tantalise you, Games and gaming have been doing this for decades,
I've seen Extreme E, W Series and Formula E all on free to air TV over WRC. I usually watch WRC highlights through the RedBull TV app which is free but again, not as easy to grab if you don't have a smart TV or suitable device for streaming it. I understand that those mentioned series' are all newer and exciting for some people so I can sort of see why they are getting more air time.
Hyundai have shown their 2022 car and livery. No surprises with the latter of course. I still don't like the rear three quarter vents. I see they haven't bothered including the rear doors too. Rear bumper looks to stick out miles from the hatch. Would be interesting to see it sitting next to a normal i20 to see if it's been scaled much.
TO73074E said:
I've seen Extreme E, W Series and Formula E all on free to air TV over WRC... I understand that those mentioned series' are all newer and exciting for some people so I can sort of see why they are getting more air time.
They are probably getting the air time because they are paying for it.They get air time because television companies are being offered it to screen cheaply, it is green and fits their green remit motorsport is considered dirty, noisy and doesn't fit their demographic. People will run it as it is green and new and people like BBC because it fits their left wing politics, also why they are utterly obsessed with mental health, women's sport, when when you look at the real world a lot of people really dont care tot he extent the BBC would lead you to believe.
it is pathetic, but as fans we know this anyway, witness the amount of track closures and noise related stuff, never mind the business, trade and stuff it brings the local economy.
Motorsport is now very much frowned upon in most cases in the UK
it is pathetic, but as fans we know this anyway, witness the amount of track closures and noise related stuff, never mind the business, trade and stuff it brings the local economy.
Motorsport is now very much frowned upon in most cases in the UK
LukeBrown66 said:
They get air time because television companies are being offered it to screen cheaply, it is green and fits their green remit motorsport is considered dirty, noisy and doesn't fit their demographic. People will run it as it is green and new and people like BBC because it fits their left wing politics, also why they are utterly obsessed with mental health, women's sport, when when you look at the real world a lot of people really dont care tot he extent the BBC would lead you to believe.
it is pathetic, but as fans we know this anyway, witness the amount of track closures and noise related stuff, never mind the business, trade and stuff it brings the local economy.
Motorsport is now very much frowned upon in most cases in the UK
Now you have got that rant off your chest care to return to the topic.it is pathetic, but as fans we know this anyway, witness the amount of track closures and noise related stuff, never mind the business, trade and stuff it brings the local economy.
Motorsport is now very much frowned upon in most cases in the UK
I see Brands hatch is hosting rallying this Saturday using parts of the circuit, Paddock and rally stage (normally used by punters having a go in a rally car)
As long as its not raining I will go along and see my first live motorsport of the yesr (and for some time). A day out for £20
As long as its not raining I will go along and see my first live motorsport of the yesr (and for some time). A day out for £20
I don't buy the britian doesn't like Motorsport thing or frowned upon. Look at btcc live coverage including support series on ITV4 if a national series can do it wrc certainly can. Again not bothered by the space frame the same comments come up when btcc went ngtc with the spec subframes etc hasn't done the btcc any harm.
The problem in the UK with rallying is it hasn't moved with the times specially traditional rallying. Circuit rallies proved hugely popular last couple of years. The main thing is TV coverage unless you really follow it you hardly know it is on.
The problem in the UK with rallying is it hasn't moved with the times specially traditional rallying. Circuit rallies proved hugely popular last couple of years. The main thing is TV coverage unless you really follow it you hardly know it is on.
3anascooter said:
I see Brands hatch is hosting rallying this Saturday using parts of the circuit, Paddock and rally stage (normally used by punters having a go in a rally car)
As long as its not raining I will go along and see my first live motorsport of the yesr (and for some time). A day out for £20
Circuit rallies are really good in my view. While some don't view them as "proper", they're a nice way to access the sport without having to trudge miles to get into a forest stage. They always attract good entries and nice cars too, so well worth watching.As long as its not raining I will go along and see my first live motorsport of the yesr (and for some time). A day out for £20
Am I the only one who thinks that the way the FIA "managed" WRC is utterly s
te? Non existent TV coverage, and overpriced streaming service presented by largely ignorant commentators (Julian excluded) and grainy / intermittent in car cam footage. It's a joke in 2022 and really pisses me off!
Anyway, Elfyn to win this year, and I hope to see Oliver on the podium! I just wish there were more manufacturers involved, and you either drive all of the races or none, stop the nonsense of part time participation.
Rant over, can't wait for it to start.
te? Non existent TV coverage, and overpriced streaming service presented by largely ignorant commentators (Julian excluded) and grainy / intermittent in car cam footage. It's a joke in 2022 and really pisses me off!Anyway, Elfyn to win this year, and I hope to see Oliver on the podium! I just wish there were more manufacturers involved, and you either drive all of the races or none, stop the nonsense of part time participation.
Rant over, can't wait for it to start.
Jon_S_Rally said:
Circuit rallies are really good in my view. While some don't view them as "proper", they're a nice way to access the sport without having to trudge miles to get into a forest stage. They always attract good entries and nice cars too, so well worth watching.
and...I *think*..... you can wander around the service area to see the cars up-close, which is nice.....I'd like to see Evans win the title. Sadly, even if he does and despite taking the battle to Ogier so well over the last two years, I fear he'll never be held in the same regard as McCrae or Burns. Whether this be down to lower levels of WRC promotion/public knowledge, or he is simply considered to be less talented, I'd be interested to read views on.
I can see Evans taking the title. Whether he’s held in the same echelon as Burns/McRae I doubt really matters. I’m sure his few million pound contract, and the personal satisfaction of winning the championship is enough.
Few offs in testing this year, looks like everyone is pushing on!
WRC2 entry for Monte is full of quality, with Fast Freddy returning, and I noticed Delecour is doing Monte in an alpine.
Roll on next week. Ogier to win with Evans in second.
Few offs in testing this year, looks like everyone is pushing on!
WRC2 entry for Monte is full of quality, with Fast Freddy returning, and I noticed Delecour is doing Monte in an alpine.
Roll on next week. Ogier to win with Evans in second.
The big issue with circuit rallies is not only the style they take but Palmer has also realised he is onto a winner, the early ones were a tenner or 12 quid, not they have doubled in price, it's not a lot of course but still a bit annoying for a fairly low key low level club day that is twice the price of a clubbie at any venue in summer.
Rallying has to go here, there are no venues to bring it to the masses anymore, insurance has seen to that, but they are a bit hit and miss, the recent Donington event was better in that MSV let the team doing the rally use some loose surface areas and changed it a bit, before that it was just a sprint round a few bales with very little variety meaning you could turn up in a racing car and compete, that is not really proper rallying.
But places like Cadwell used to have great rallies using loads of other roads round the track, but Brands I doubt will allow that, they aren't even allowed out to to long circuit as that would take a noise day away from their yearly use. Out of all of them, Oulton is probably the best, with Donington next if allowed to use infield and loose surface, Snetterton and Cadwell are to be avoided as they can be a bit dull. And sodding cold
Rallying has to go here, there are no venues to bring it to the masses anymore, insurance has seen to that, but they are a bit hit and miss, the recent Donington event was better in that MSV let the team doing the rally use some loose surface areas and changed it a bit, before that it was just a sprint round a few bales with very little variety meaning you could turn up in a racing car and compete, that is not really proper rallying.
But places like Cadwell used to have great rallies using loads of other roads round the track, but Brands I doubt will allow that, they aren't even allowed out to to long circuit as that would take a noise day away from their yearly use. Out of all of them, Oulton is probably the best, with Donington next if allowed to use infield and loose surface, Snetterton and Cadwell are to be avoided as they can be a bit dull. And sodding cold
Drumroll said:
I see Craig Breen has had a big off in testing, the crew are apparently OK.
Caught on camera here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6M-fQw5DY0
LukeBrown66 said:
The big issue with circuit rallies is not only the style they take but Palmer has also realised he is onto a winner, the early ones were a tenner or 12 quid, not they have doubled in price, it's not a lot of course but still a bit annoying for a fairly low key low level club day that is twice the price of a clubbie at any venue in summer.
Rallying has to go here, there are no venues to bring it to the masses anymore, insurance has seen to that, but they are a bit hit and miss, the recent Donington event was better in that MSV let the team doing the rally use some loose surface areas and changed it a bit, before that it was just a sprint round a few bales with very little variety meaning you could turn up in a racing car and compete, that is not really proper rallying.
But places like Cadwell used to have great rallies using loads of other roads round the track, but Brands I doubt will allow that, they aren't even allowed out to to long circuit as that would take a noise day away from their yearly use. Out of all of them, Oulton is probably the best, with Donington next if allowed to use infield and loose surface, Snetterton and Cadwell are to be avoided as they can be a bit dull. And sodding cold
I know you don’t like the circuit rallies but they are an excellent opportunity to present rallying to the casual motorsport fan by being largely in accessible places and having decent(ish) facilities. It’s also quite possible to get reasonably clos the action, and where else can you see everything from axWRC car to an old mini?Rallying has to go here, there are no venues to bring it to the masses anymore, insurance has seen to that, but they are a bit hit and miss, the recent Donington event was better in that MSV let the team doing the rally use some loose surface areas and changed it a bit, before that it was just a sprint round a few bales with very little variety meaning you could turn up in a racing car and compete, that is not really proper rallying.
But places like Cadwell used to have great rallies using loads of other roads round the track, but Brands I doubt will allow that, they aren't even allowed out to to long circuit as that would take a noise day away from their yearly use. Out of all of them, Oulton is probably the best, with Donington next if allowed to use infield and loose surface, Snetterton and Cadwell are to be avoided as they can be a bit dull. And sodding cold
Snetterton also has a gravel section and uses a good chunk of the normal paddock roads so possible to get very close as a spectator.
The crowds at Oulton, Snetterton and Donington (the events I have spectated and driven on) seem far bigger than the average club racing meeting.
GravelBen said:
Drumroll said:
I see Craig Breen has had a big off in testing, the crew are apparently OK.
Caught on camera here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6M-fQw5DY0
andy97 said:
I know you don’t like the circuit rallies but they are an excellent opportunity to present rallying to the casual motorsport fan by being largely in accessible places and having decent(ish) facilities. It’s also quite possible to get reasonably clos the action, and where else can you see everything from axWRC car to an old mini?
Snetterton also has a gravel section and uses a good chunk of the normal paddock roads so possible to get very close as a spectator.
The crowds at Oulton, Snetterton and Donington (the events I have spectated and driven on) seem far bigger than the average club racing meeting.
I agree, I don't really see much difference between the circuit rallies and some of the single venue rallies. What is the difference in say going around cones at Brands or Blyton? Apart from the fact that at Brands there are more facilities for the casual spectator. You never know attending a circuit rally may get a few to venture out onto closed roads or into the forests.Snetterton also has a gravel section and uses a good chunk of the normal paddock roads so possible to get very close as a spectator.
The crowds at Oulton, Snetterton and Donington (the events I have spectated and driven on) seem far bigger than the average club racing meeting.
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