The Best Current Non F1 Driver
Discussion
realjv said:
Scott McLaughlin - Wins 3 Aussie Supercar Championships then switches to Indycar where he is proving to be consistent race winner and championship contender. That certainly shows a high level of natural talent and real versatility. It's going to be interesting to see how he does in an LMP2 sportscar at the Daytona 24hr.
^^^this.I can understand the love for SVG for sure, but McLaughin was/is even quicker. Has he tested in F1 at all??
realjv said:
Scott McLaughlin - Wins 3 Aussie Supercar Championships then switches to Indycar where he is proving to be consistent race winner and championship contender. That certainly shows a high level of natural talent and real versatility. It's going to be interesting to see how he does in an LMP2 sportscar at the Daytona 24hr.
Yeah that's a good shout, looking forward to seeing how he gets onclarki said:
^^^this.
I can understand the love for SVG for sure, but McLaughin was/is even quicker. Has he tested in F1 at all??
Scotty Mac is clearly a very talented driver but he was in without best car in V8s at the time and is without doubt in the best team in Indycar. Still an impressive performance but I do think SVG is the more complete driver of the two.I can understand the love for SVG for sure, but McLaughin was/is even quicker. Has he tested in F1 at all??
pablo said:
Thundersports said:
There's some very talented guys in Historic racing; Martin Stretton, Nick Padmore and Michael Lyons who's possibly the "Goat" of Historic racing or will be.
Hopefully they don’t mind me saying They’re all getting on a bit too aren’t they?! The way they can chuck round Lola T70s and Hstoric F1 cars is mightily impressive. The DFV F1 cars can lap the Silverstone GP circuit in 1.52…The British Hillclimb championship contenders are on another level too
Dan BSCS said:
Scotty Mac is clearly a very talented driver but he was in without best car in V8s at the time and is without doubt in the best team in Indycar. Still an impressive performance but I do think SVG is the more complete driver of the two.
He wasn't in one of the two top teams when he came on the scene and made his name though.Dan BSCS said:
clarki said:
^^^this.
I can understand the love for SVG for sure, but McLaughin was/is even quicker. Has he tested in F1 at all??
Scotty Mac is clearly a very talented driver but he was in without best car in V8s at the time and is without doubt in the best team in Indycar. Still an impressive performance but I do think SVG is the more complete driver of the two.I can understand the love for SVG for sure, but McLaughin was/is even quicker. Has he tested in F1 at all??
Both went on different paths with different pressures and motivations and have shown they are competitive in whatever machinery regardless if they're competing for fun or at the top of American open wheels.
If I had to pick one? SVG because as unique as oval racing is I'm not much of a rally person and the challenge and demands are far too unique in my eyes even if modern WRC is far more shorter than previous golden eras.
I immediately thought of Stephane Sarrazin when this thread came up, he's spent many years ranging from single seaters to WRC to Le Mans to V8s to Formula E and Extreme E. He's certainly driven wide range of stuff at a pretty decent level.
But he's a bit long in the tooth for any chance of "current" non F1 (I'm considering his one start for Minardi doesn't DQ him!) and hasn't really done that much winning.
So, as you were...
But he's a bit long in the tooth for any chance of "current" non F1 (I'm considering his one start for Minardi doesn't DQ him!) and hasn't really done that much winning.
So, as you were...
pablo said:
I think you under-estimate the balls required to approach bottom ess at Shelsley Walsh at 120mph....
Big balls to "approach" bottom ess at Shelsley Walsh at 120mph - significant amount of skill required in addition to said balls to be able to negotiate it and survive to tell the tale...LukeBrown66 said:
The British hil guys are on one level, then the European guys are at a slightly different one, public roads, no run off, mage fast cars, it really is a staggering level of commitment the top guys have
I was just thinking the same. Wallace Menzies, Alex Summers and Scott Moran did an amazing job this year and pushing the thick end of a 140 up the narrows of Shelsley, is no mean feat! LukeBrown66 said:
True enough, then you see Merli or Petit at St Ursanne and it makes it all seem a little slow!
That's more to do with the nature of the course than anything else.UK hillclimbs tend to be 1km - 1.5km long and pretty narrow and twisty. In Europe, they use closed public roads (so usually wider and more 'open' bends / corners and tend to be 2.5 - 3km, so much higher percentage of 'fast' sections.
Can't remember what it was all about, but in the (fairly) recent past, a few of the top BHC drivers went over to a sort of European all comers event, and acquitted themselves pretty well, considering their (UK spec) cars weren't really set up for the conditions.
Kim
…. But the European hillclimbers aren’t going any faster than 150mph and in general, the roads are twice the width of Shelsley, Prescott or Harewood…. Sure there are narrower tracks but they rarely too much more than 120mph at Osnabreuck et al
This is Scott Moran at Shelsley, as the video says he hits 103 mph before the first corner, 141 mph on Bottom Ess Approach, gets it all sorted with minimum fuss and tops 150 mph over the line.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y888Ck1KYQg
I’m pretty sure Summers came back with silver or bronze at this years Hillclimb Masters
This is Scott Moran at Shelsley, as the video says he hits 103 mph before the first corner, 141 mph on Bottom Ess Approach, gets it all sorted with minimum fuss and tops 150 mph over the line.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y888Ck1KYQg
I’m pretty sure Summers came back with silver or bronze at this years Hillclimb Masters
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 23 December 09:08
There was not a masters this year ,and the comparison is not really meant as a competition.
Think of it this way, it is relatively easy to learn Shelsley, Prescott, Harewood. if you have done the series for long enough you are chipping away at tenths. You know the layout perfectly you are perfecting lines it is like circuit racing in a way
IN Euro stuff the tracks are much longer, you get less chance to learn, you have to average your times over the day so you cannot really relax too much after practice. Some venues are always there yes, like St Ursanne, Eschdorf and a few others, but new ones come in, you have very little time to learn, and then you watch the top guys there and they are on the same limits as a Moran or our guys, I find that even more impressive is all I am saying. it is as close to the TT as you can get in a car I think.
And again comparing the two cars, Euro stuff is fairly limited in what it can be or do top class is closed cockpit generally for instance, you could never get away with running F1 engines or Indy engines in Euro, it is low cc turbo stuff (the new thing) or basically tuned F3000 engines, still powerful but nowhere near as powerful or light as top level single seater hill cars from the UK hence why our guys do so well in Masters events.
Think of it this way, it is relatively easy to learn Shelsley, Prescott, Harewood. if you have done the series for long enough you are chipping away at tenths. You know the layout perfectly you are perfecting lines it is like circuit racing in a way
IN Euro stuff the tracks are much longer, you get less chance to learn, you have to average your times over the day so you cannot really relax too much after practice. Some venues are always there yes, like St Ursanne, Eschdorf and a few others, but new ones come in, you have very little time to learn, and then you watch the top guys there and they are on the same limits as a Moran or our guys, I find that even more impressive is all I am saying. it is as close to the TT as you can get in a car I think.
And again comparing the two cars, Euro stuff is fairly limited in what it can be or do top class is closed cockpit generally for instance, you could never get away with running F1 engines or Indy engines in Euro, it is low cc turbo stuff (the new thing) or basically tuned F3000 engines, still powerful but nowhere near as powerful or light as top level single seater hill cars from the UK hence why our guys do so well in Masters events.
LukeBrown66 said:
A great driver yes, but for me very little opposition in rallycross, and a low talent pool.
But in terms of his ability to do different things very well, up there with the best.
I think he has talent, but he's never won one of the major competitive series; they're all 'lesser' minor series. But in terms of his ability to do different things very well, up there with the best.
garypotter said:
Harry King aka Harry Hill due to very young age and the experience he has in the 911 GT3 is awesome, look at the run up goodwood hill at the FOS
Very surprised this was the only mention of Mr King. An undeniable talent, pretty much wins every race he enters across the globe, and at such a young age.Had the pleasure of him as a race coach for me during my Ginetta "career", and he is also the nicestlad you'll ever meet in a race paddock.
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