Porsche crash at Thruxton - ouch
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monkeyhanger said:
lord summerisle said:
Ken had a bit of a near miss himself at The Oulton Park F3/GT meeting...
Aye, Luca got a very good photography of that
lord summerisle said:
monkeyhanger said:
lord summerisle said:
Ken had a bit of a near miss himself at The Oulton Park F3/GT meeting...
Aye, Luca got a very good photography of that
Indeed
LB
hornet said:
Most impressive - I'd have been a bit nervous behind the camera for that one.
bodysnatcher said:
eccles said:
interesting video clip...... but i have to say, what on earth was that marshal up to? as the car approaches, her collegue legs it, but all she does is turn her back, as if to say if i can't see it, i wont be hit. then after the car comes to rest, her collegue runs to assist the driver, but she just stands there and looks, then later on she's sobbing on the shoulder of another marshal.
now i know its pretty tabboo the criticise the marshals, but her behaviour, from what we see on that video clip, doesn't look very professional!
now i know its pretty tabboo the criticise the marshals, but her behaviour, from what we see on that video clip, doesn't look very professional!
Ah eccles, as ever we stand in awe of the armchair fan.
By all accounts the car went over her head, maybe her life flashed in front of her eyes.
So, despite training and no doubt seeing similar impacts close at hand I'd say her behaviour was down to, um.. fear and shock mostly. Don't worry though, the poor girl's probably over it now, thanks to support from her friends.
2 other photos to look at
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gerainteva
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gerainteva
I'd suggest you watch the video again, the car finishes up near the marshalls, so it didn't go over their heads.
what good is a marshall that just stands there as a driver could be criticaly injured in a car?
yes, i'm fully aware of the vital job that marshalls do, and that 99% of the time they perform as required. but to me, that marshall fell below the required standard and perhaps shouldn't be placed where she may be near a serious accident again, just in case her " fear and shock" stop her saving someones life.
eccles said:
I'd suggest you watch the video again, the car finishes up near the marshalls, so it didn't go over their heads.
what good is a marshall that just stands there as a driver could be criticaly injured in a car?
yes, i'm fully aware of the vital job that marshalls do, and that 99% of the time they perform as required. but to me, that marshall fell below the required standard and perhaps shouldn't be placed where she may be near a serious accident again, just in case her " fear and shock" stop her saving someones life.
Eccles...
off. i'd say watch the one on rapidshare... the car goes through excatly where they where standing... it was only them running out the way that ment the car missed them. I say again - they have about 2 secs to see the car come towards them and get out the way. we can watch it again and again in slow mo, in freeze frame and from the comfort of our chairs we can with all certainty say 'i would have done this... she should have done that' Hindsight is always 20/20
Yes training often kicks in, but afterwards thats when the shock sets in - its that moment you get to think about whats happened.
lord summerisle said:
eccles said:
I'd suggest you watch the video again, the car finishes up near the marshalls, so it didn't go over their heads.
what good is a marshall that just stands there as a driver could be criticaly injured in a car?
yes, i'm fully aware of the vital job that marshalls do, and that 99% of the time they perform as required. but to me, that marshall fell below the required standard and perhaps shouldn't be placed where she may be near a serious accident again, just in case her " fear and shock" stop her saving someones life.
Eccles...
off. i'd say watch the one on rapidshare... the car goes through excatly where they where standing... it was only them running out the way that ment the car missed them. I say again - they have about 2 secs to see the car come towards them and get out the way. we can watch it again and again in slow mo, in freeze frame and from the comfort of our chairs we can with all certainty say 'i would have done this... she should have done that' Hindsight is always 20/20
Yes training often kicks in, but afterwards thats when the shock sets in - its that moment you get to think about whats happened.
Me thinks you need to pop down the opticians old chap, then off to the doctors for some calming down pills, there's no need to swear.
look at the full video on page 1, car goes over the fence short of where the marshalls are, and once over the fence, ends up behind them. plenty of slow-mo shots showing it not going over the marshalls at all.
i still reitterate my point, if that car had caught fire, or the driver was seriously hurt, then that marshall wouldn't have been any help at all. perhaps in future she should stick to pit lane control, or some other part of the track where bad accidents are a lot less likely.
eccles said:
Me thinks you need to pop down the opticians old chap, then off to the doctors for some calming down pills, there's no need to swear.
look at the full video on page 1, car goes over the fence short of where the marshalls are, and once over the fence, ends up behind them. plenty of slow-mo shots showing it not going over the marshalls at all.
i still reitterate my point, if that car had caught fire, or the driver was seriously hurt, then that marshall wouldn't have been any help at all. perhaps in future she should stick to pit lane control, or some other part of the track where bad accidents are a lot less likely.
It did catch fire. small fire in the engine bay.
you didnt see that did you... But the car's nose comes very close to Kathy:
As i said - its very easy to critise when your not there and looking back through pitcures on a TV screen. All of us on the bank dont know how we're going to react when a major incident happens, but we train as best we can. We also know theres a risk we or the driver gets killed, and sometimes thats rammed home to you on the bank like it did with the marshal we're talking about here.
Edited by lord summerisle on Friday 11th May 08:15
Anyone standing in that position gets no criticism from me, they do it for the love of the sport, which wouldn't run if they weren't there.
These people are standing in the firing line, even at the top level, lest we forget it was only just over 5 years ago that we lost two marshalls in F1 races.
Anyone that feels the need to sit back and criticise has the opportunity to join a Marshalls' club, participate and see for themselves. I've done it and even the slightest experience opens your eyes.
These people are standing in the firing line, even at the top level, lest we forget it was only just over 5 years ago that we lost two marshalls in F1 races.
Anyone that feels the need to sit back and criticise has the opportunity to join a Marshalls' club, participate and see for themselves. I've done it and even the slightest experience opens your eyes.
eccles said:
yes, i'm fully aware of the vital job that marshalls do, and that 99% of the time they perform as required. but to me, that marshall fell below the required standard and perhaps shouldn't be placed where she may be near a serious accident again, just in case her " fear and shock" stop her saving someones life.
Marshals (ONLY ONE 'L') are just ordinary men & women doing a potentially dangerous job. I think it quite reasonable to assume that many people, in such a situation, would be scared. Believe me, I would.
'Fell below the required standard'? Please explain how we can ensure that all marshals meet what you perceive as the required standard.
Of course you have the right to criticise marshals; however, in this case you're not criticising the person in question as a marshal, you're criticising her as a human being.
Edited by Dave Brand on Friday 11th May 13:51
does it really matter if she froze or not in the 2 seconds it happened in?. Quite frankly i think it would be a bit off to expect that in under two seconds she would grab a fire extinguisher and start putting the fire out before the car comes to rest, maybe even grab the driver out the barelrolling car hollywood stylee
Looks to me like everyone reacted well and successfully got the driver out quickly. If you are going to argue about whether she should have moved then you could argue that by leaving the protection of the tyre wall put the other marshal in more danger. By ducking she was more protected against debris.
Looks to me like everyone reacted well and successfully got the driver out quickly. If you are going to argue about whether she should have moved then you could argue that by leaving the protection of the tyre wall put the other marshal in more danger. By ducking she was more protected against debris.
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