The Land and Water Speed Records Thread

The Land and Water Speed Records Thread

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Life Saab Itch

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37,068 posts

137 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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I thought this might be a good thread to start after chatting with chevronb37 in another thread.

The history of the land speed record is rich and varied with some very interesting machinery. The same goes for the water speed record. It would be quite a good place to discuss the Bluebird K7 restoration too. smile

Life Saab Itch

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137 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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Here is the link to the Bluebird webpage.

The quality of the work is superb. Truely stunning.

http://www.bluebirdproject.com/Bluebirdproject/fra...

RB Will

5,831 posts

189 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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I was having a look at the Bloodhound SSC model at the Autosport show. I was amazed at the 30L of fuel used per second! That thing must just be the engine with a fuel tank attached. I think it had a 750bhp Cosworth engine as a fuel pump.

chevronb37

6,396 posts

135 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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I'll offer these up, as the Lotus 48 thread might be of marginal interest. This is one (of two) Rolls Royce R engines which powered Capt. George Eyston's Thunderbolt. The biggest, heaviest, most ridiculous LSR car of them all. As the engine also won the Schneider Trophy twice and set an air speed record, it's pretty special.



dr_gn

12,980 posts

133 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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chevronb37 said:
George Eyston's Thunderbolt. The biggest, heaviest, most ridiculous LSR car of them all.
Surely Thrust SSC is bigger and heavier than Eyston's Thunderbolt?

Life Saab Itch

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137 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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I can't get on Wikipedia from my phone, but could someone post the list of land speed record holders and water speed record holders.

Who holds the current water speed record and how fast is it?

dr_gn

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133 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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Life Saab Itch said:
Who holds the current water speed record and how fast is it?
Ken Warby Spirit of Australia, 317.6 mph, 8/10/78

I would reccommend "Skimming the Surface" by Fred Harris. A concise history of men and machines that have contested the water speed record. It's a small leaflet type book I picked up in Ambleside. Also "The Bluebird Years" by Arthur Knowles. Read it in one go - very good book.

jonnylayze

1,640 posts

175 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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I think this is a fascinating subject.

There don't seem to be any decent books on the subject although last year I picked up two Brooklands Books volumes on the LSR.

My favourite story is aroudn Art Arfons who got the ex-military J79 engine for his Green Monster from a scrap yard but couldn't persuade the military to part with a technical manual for it. He rebuilt it anyway and broke the LSR.

When he died well into old age Art was buried with a spanner in each hand,a jar full of Bonneville salt and the elusive build manual for the J-79.... I'm not religious at all but I think there's something deeply spiritual about that


StevieBee

8,296 posts

204 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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Does anyone know what car/driver holds the LSR for a car with driven wheels? (i.e. not jet propulsion)

Nick M

3,613 posts

172 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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StevieBee said:
Does anyone know what car/driver holds the LSR for a car with driven wheels? (i.e. not jet propulsion)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel-driven_land_speed_record

Knew it was quick, but not that quick ! eek

Life Saab Itch

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Friday 21st January 2011
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dr_gn said:
Life Saab Itch said:
Who holds the current water speed record and how fast is it?
Ken Warby Spirit of Australia, 317.6 mph, 8/10/78

I would reccommend "Skimming the Surface" by Fred Harris. A concise history of men and machines that have contested the water speed record. It's a small leaflet type book I picked up in Ambleside. Also "The Bluebird Years" by Arthur Knowles. Read it in one go - very good book.
eek

Donald Campbell was going faster than that when K7 flipped.

I have a brilliant book about Malcolm, Donald and the Bluebird story. I think it's by a guy called Steve Holter.

snowy slopes

29,615 posts

136 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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I knew about al teague holding the record, but i didnt realise don vesco had smashed his old record. Mighty impressive

The thing i like about lsr racing if you like, is all the various little classes that exsist. I mean, what the hell, they even have a class for pushbikes, for which Fred Rompelberg of the netherlands, exceeded 167mph in 1995 yikes

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Graham

16,326 posts

233 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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On a slightly different tack I'm part of a team looking to take a 1950s Austin healey sprite shell and an a series block. And break 200mph

Made more complicated as we want to achieve that with 2 drivers.

Early planning at the mo but we are hopping for 2012

skeggysteve

5,477 posts

166 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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Graham said:
On a slightly different tack I'm part of a team looking to take a 1950s Austin healey sprite shell and an a series block. And break 200mph
More, much more info needed!

hornet

6,333 posts

199 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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Some good articles about Sammy Miller's ice speed record :-

http://www.bangshift.com/blog/The-Weekend-Sammy-Mi...
http://www.vetechnet.com/rocketcar.htm

No idea if that still stands as the outright record?

DJC

23,563 posts

185 months

Saturday 22nd January 2011
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There are quite a few books out there on the records, but many of them are old and out of print now.

The LSR and WSR are obsessions of mine. By which I mean total and complete obsessions, way past the point of nerdiness. I was raised on this stuff, my father's library steeped in the mythology that came attached to the LSR and WSR through the 50s and 60s. Being a North West boy, Conniston is and always will be something akin to holy ground for me.

And one day, one day... I intend having a crack at in on Conniston in my own boat. The last 15yrs of my professional life mean I have the correct contacts in BAES, Rolls, EADS and Goodrich for the propulsion and FADEC systems, the aeros and the hull design. I have the contacts for getting those on the cheap. I have the basis for a design in my head.


Then I want a crack at the LSR.


Like I said...obsessions.

Life Saab Itch

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137 months

Saturday 22nd January 2011
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DJC, I have a similar ambition to you. I remember a thread about Bluebird on here where (I think) Sam68 said that he had a design drawn up that was revolutionary and could be capable of 400mph. It sounded very interesting.

I would love to have a crack at it, I mean, if a copy of Bluebird was made from Carbon with some safety structures built in, surely it would beat the current WSR?

FourWheelDrift

78,861 posts

233 months

Saturday 22nd January 2011
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dr_gn said:
chevronb37 said:
George Eyston's Thunderbolt. The biggest, heaviest, most ridiculous LSR car of them all.
Surely Thrust SSC is bigger and heavier than Eyston's Thunderbolt?
Not sure myself, SSC is big but so was Thunderbolt add the industrial engineering of the time and it would be very heavy as well.




Dimensions wise SSC is probably longer and wider but in terms of overall mass Thunderbolt might have the edge.

Munter

29,045 posts

190 months

Saturday 22nd January 2011
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Life Saab Itch said:
DJC, I have a similar ambition to you. I remember a thread about Bluebird on here where (I think) Sam68 said that he had a design drawn up that was revolutionary and could be capable of 400mph. It sounded very interesting.

I would love to have a crack at it, I mean, if a copy of Bluebird was made from Carbon with some safety structures built in, surely it would beat the current WSR?
What sort of speeds are these things hitting?


Life Saab Itch

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Saturday 22nd January 2011
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Munter said:
Life Saab Itch said:
DJC, I have a similar ambition to you. I remember a thread about Bluebird on here where (I think) Sam68 said that he had a design drawn up that was revolutionary and could be capable of 400mph. It sounded very interesting.

I would love to have a crack at it, I mean, if a copy of Bluebird was made from Carbon with some safety structures built in, surely it would beat the current WSR?
What sort of speeds are these things hitting?
I would imagine that they would be lucky to get to half the WSR, so about 150ish. I am happy to be corrected though.