Lash cap supplier

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Evoluzione

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10,345 posts

243 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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Does anyone know of a good lash cap supplier here in the UK? I use quite a few 7mm and 8mm and our current supplier has become very unreliable.

tapkaJohnD

1,939 posts

204 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Never heard of a "lash cap" so Googled.

"In today's higher rpm engines, the tip of the valve stem is subjected to a tremendous pounding. The best solution to this problem is COMP Cams' lash caps. These hardened lash caps are precision-machined and ground perfectly flat, to maintain accurate valvetrain adjustment." (Summit Racing)

Isn't that how valve stems are made?
A/ to wthstand the "tremendous pounding"
and
B/ "ground perfectly flat."

What am I missing here? I don't think it's lash caps.
John

Evoluzione

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10,345 posts

243 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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If you don't know what one is you're unlikely to be of any use, but for your education:



In his fingers is a lash cap, used for setting valve clearances (cap which sets lash = lashcap).

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lash+caps&so...

paintman

7,684 posts

190 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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tapkaJohnD said:
Never heard of a "lash cap" so Googled.

"In today's higher rpm engines, the tip of the valve stem is subjected to a tremendous pounding. The best solution to this problem is COMP Cams' lash caps. These hardened lash caps are precision-machined and ground perfectly flat, to maintain accurate valvetrain adjustment." (Summit Racing)

Isn't that how valve stems are made?
A/ to wthstand the "tremendous pounding"
and
B/ "ground perfectly flat."

What am I missing here? I don't think it's lash caps.
John
Land Rover 200/300TDi (Defender, Discovery 1) and earlier 2.5 diesel engines use something very similar in appearance referred to as valve stem caps to protect the top of the valve stem and the rocker surface. AIUI if these are missing then damage to the valve stems & the rockers will occur.
Bit more here: https://forums.lr4x4.com/topic/99841-valve-cap-cup...

The later TD5 (Disco 2, Defender) uses lash adjusters.



Edited by paintman on Tuesday 11th July 14:19

tapkaJohnD

1,939 posts

204 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Evoluzione,
Thank you for the education - learn something every day - Socrates - but not for the insult.

I'll ask Paintman, who is a more willing teacher. Is this cost cutting? It's cheaper to make a little 'lash cap' than treat the valve stem, 'properly'?

John

paintman

7,684 posts

190 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Excellent question. I don't know the answer - possibly to spread the load? - & later engines don't have them.

If you read the link you'll note there is a suggestion that some were made of cheese....

(The TD5 lash adjusters are hydraulic: http://workshop-manuals.com/landrover/defendertd5/... )

GreenV8S

30,191 posts

284 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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So these are effectively captive shims?

Evoluzione

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10,345 posts

243 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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tapkaJohnD said:
Is this cost cutting? It's cheaper to make a little 'lash cap' than treat the valve stem, 'properly'?

John
It's weight saving. Lighter valve train, more control, less valve bounce, less wear & tear. Used in bike engines a lot.
They can also get you out of the st if you've run out of the original style valve shim range.

E-bmw

9,210 posts

152 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Evoluzione said:
It's weight saving. Lighter valve train,
I have to admit my ignorance & ask how adding something to the valve train reduces the weight?

stevieturbo

17,260 posts

247 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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E-bmw said:
I have to admit my ignorance & ask how adding something to the valve train reduces the weight?
Because it might allow a lighter bucket.

Kent, Supertech, Ferrea, Arrow etc ?

Or can OEM replacements for the part not work ? or not available ?

They'd probably be more common on multivalve engines with smaller stems, 7-8mm is fairly large diameter though, if you're referring to the actual valve stem dimension.

http://www.ferrea.com/Lash-Caps/c8219

As for UK stockists...well we know how that usually goes. Few ever seem to keep anything in stock. Nevlock keep some Ferrea stuff.

Steve/SMG at Roland Allsop keep Supertech stuff, but again, whether they stock your specific item...who knows

https://www.supertechperformance.com/cam-followers...


Edited by stevieturbo on Tuesday 11th July 18:48

Evoluzione

Original Poster:

10,345 posts

243 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Shim in bucket is huge and heavy, shim under much lighter:


stevieturbo

17,260 posts

247 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Arrow stand from Autosport. Both buckets and lash caps available


stevieturbo

17,260 posts

247 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Another name or so from Autosport.

Xceldyne in France.

G&S Valves ( UK )

99hjhm

426 posts

186 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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If your professional/trade, Pyramid precission in Coventry makes them. he supplies 'many' other suppliers including piper cams.

fergus

6,430 posts

275 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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Evoluzione said:
Shim in bucket is huge and heavy, shim under much lighter:

Are you not missing the spring retainer on the right hand side?

227bhp

10,203 posts

128 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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fergus said:
Are you not missing the spring retainer on the right hand side?
You're missing your glasses or a decent device to view pictures on. wink

catso

14,786 posts

267 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Evoluzione said:
If you don't know what one is you're unlikely to be of any use, but for your education:



In his fingers is a lash cap, used for setting valve clearances (cap which sets lash = lashcap).

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lash+caps&so...
Looks like a Ducati Desmo valve opener shim. Available in both 7 and 8mm diameters and many different thicknesses for setting the valve clearance.

Boosted LS1

21,184 posts

260 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Valve stems especially the exhaust ones have to transmit heat and use materials suitable for that function. Sometimes those materials aren't hard enough which is when a lash cap can help. The ls7 has lash caps but only on the exhausts. Those are 8mm dia and probably used also on the 6.2l engines.

Edited by Boosted LS1 on Thursday 20th July 19:08