Motorbike hits stationary car
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[quote=The Selfish Gene]if of course you were not stationary, changed lanes without looking - then it's more % your fault, depending on if he was breaking the speed limit but insurance will probably still do a 50/50[/quote
I was stationary
Lane change occurred way before he hit me and I stopped as there were pedestrians
I was stationary
Lane change occurred way before he hit me and I stopped as there were pedestrians
Jheanelle said:
SHutchinson said:
So, you pulled forward into a bus/non-car lane and then stopped then the motorcycle came into contact with your vehicle?
It’s not a bus lane I’m in the lane for normal traffic zoom in on the picture to see where the bus lane ends https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5243136,-0.03689...
SHutchinson said:
Jheanelle said:
SHutchinson said:
So, you pulled forward into a bus/non-car lane and then stopped then the motorcycle came into contact with your vehicle?
It’s not a bus lane I’m in the lane for normal traffic zoom in on the picture to see where the bus lane ends https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5243136,-0.03689...
SHutchinson said:
It looks like you've pulled into the left lane at the exact point the no-car lane ends. I bet you'd have noticed a big red bus in your mirrors.
I was in this lane and stationary for about 5 seconds actually, it’s rush hour and I know these roads very well as I work in the borough as a health visitor. There were no vehicles behind me in that lane however I am assuming that everyone on this forum appears to be under the impression that I would carelessly move into a lane without looking in my mirrors or blind spot so I may have to rely on cctv for this one. I’m very concerned with the accusations that I would not check an injured person, carelessly move into a lane in rush hour creeping traffic, or knock a man off his bike. Legal precedent is set (can't remember the case law name) for filtering on a bike being a dangerous thing and responsibility is on the rider to do it safely. If he came from behind you, he obviously wasn't doing it safely if he hit you. However, you still have a responsibility not to drive into other road users even if they're being dicks*
I would bet a considerable amount on the insurance will go 50-50 and you'll both have to suck it up
*not necessarily my personal opinion on this specific instance, and I'm no legal expert but I have been taken off motorbikes while filtering and it's always gone 50-50
I would bet a considerable amount on the insurance will go 50-50 and you'll both have to suck it up
*not necessarily my personal opinion on this specific instance, and I'm no legal expert but I have been taken off motorbikes while filtering and it's always gone 50-50
vonhosen said:
What are you hoping to achieve here?
Tell your insurance company in as much detail as possible (give them any witness details you have) & let them deal with it.
The biker will do the same.
Their insurers will have told them what your insurers tell you...........don't admit liability.
Thank you for not being judgemental regarding my character I do appreciate that Tell your insurance company in as much detail as possible (give them any witness details you have) & let them deal with it.
The biker will do the same.
Their insurers will have told them what your insurers tell you...........don't admit liability.
I know I’m not even sure why I did post on here, however the insurers are looking at CCTV footage and speaking to witnesses so I will leave it there. I’ve never been hit whilst stationary with a motorcycle so I guess I was trying to see if anyone had been through a similar experience.
Yeah he will say you turned into him, your photos would back up his statement imo and your road positioning is unusual
Not that it matters but there is no way he was speeding if he was unhurt and able to ride his bike away from the scene, that doesn't mean he was riding at an appropriate speed
Not that it matters but there is no way he was speeding if he was unhurt and able to ride his bike away from the scene, that doesn't mean he was riding at an appropriate speed
liner33 said:
Yeah he will say you turned into him, your photos would back up his statement imo and your road positioning is unusual
Not that it matters but there is no way he was speeding if he was unhurt and able to ride his bike away from the scene, that doesn't mean he was riding at an appropriate speed
Hi I hope you are wellNot that it matters but there is no way he was speeding if he was unhurt and able to ride his bike away from the scene, that doesn't mean he was riding at an appropriate speed
I will have to rely on CCTV for this. It’s a 20mph Road in rush hour with steady flow of traffic, he has admitted being over the speed limit as well as witnesses telling my insurance he was dangerously driving. I am very grateful again that no one was hurt. There is no damage but a broken light to his motorcycle. And thankfully he is also ok. Insurance have informed me that they will be examining the CCTV over the next few weeks
Time to deploy the broad brush.
There is a sizeable group of riders in London who treat the task of driving in traffic as a cross between a video game and a dynamic slalom course. Moped/scooter riders are especially well represented in this group, and generally the more powerful the bike, the less likely the rider is to be in it.
IMO.
Also, IMO, if someone hits a slalom gate, or fails to progress to the end of the video game, the fault for that outcome lies neither with the gate nor the game.
When I am Overlord of Everything, changing the law to bring it into line with my opinions on this will be on the first morning’s agenda.
There is a sizeable group of riders in London who treat the task of driving in traffic as a cross between a video game and a dynamic slalom course. Moped/scooter riders are especially well represented in this group, and generally the more powerful the bike, the less likely the rider is to be in it.
IMO.
Also, IMO, if someone hits a slalom gate, or fails to progress to the end of the video game, the fault for that outcome lies neither with the gate nor the game.
When I am Overlord of Everything, changing the law to bring it into line with my opinions on this will be on the first morning’s agenda.
Jheanelle said:
Hi guys
I’m very confused at the outcome of this.
I drive a 1.2L Mini Cooper and had emerged from the traffic lights to slowly moving traffic the lane on my left was a bus lane and a bus stop. As I checked the road to pull into the road to the left I moved my car slightly into the next lane and stopped as the road in front of me had a cycle lane, pedestrians and a white van coming out of the right lane. A motorbike (which I am told by witnesses came at speed) hit my car, I don’t think he could see me and there are cars behind me holding back until it’s safe to completely move into the road. He came off his bike at about 1 metre from my car and as I checked him over the pedestrians became angry and started shouting that he was driving dangerously. I calmed them down and stated it doesn’t matter as I wanted to check that he was ok which he was. The ambulance came and checked him over and said he was fine, his bike was pretty much unscathed and he had a loose front right light, however he has damaged my car very badly. He is now not admitting liability. I have sent pictures to the insurance company and requested that they look at CCTV footage however the witnesses I took numbers for are only saying how he was speeding at tried to brake but failed due to his speed and are unsure whether they saw my car in stationary. I’m beyond shocked and in disbelief that this gentleman is not admitting liability, it was rush hour with crawling traffic and the damage to my car clearly shows it’s the impact of the bike on my car and not on his bike. I think he’s trying to say that I was turning and hit him. Hopefully I can upload images of my car Position in the Road following the accident as it gives an indication to the road. But what I want to know is will he get away with this?
Guesswork time. I’m very confused at the outcome of this.
I drive a 1.2L Mini Cooper and had emerged from the traffic lights to slowly moving traffic the lane on my left was a bus lane and a bus stop. As I checked the road to pull into the road to the left I moved my car slightly into the next lane and stopped as the road in front of me had a cycle lane, pedestrians and a white van coming out of the right lane. A motorbike (which I am told by witnesses came at speed) hit my car, I don’t think he could see me and there are cars behind me holding back until it’s safe to completely move into the road. He came off his bike at about 1 metre from my car and as I checked him over the pedestrians became angry and started shouting that he was driving dangerously. I calmed them down and stated it doesn’t matter as I wanted to check that he was ok which he was. The ambulance came and checked him over and said he was fine, his bike was pretty much unscathed and he had a loose front right light, however he has damaged my car very badly. He is now not admitting liability. I have sent pictures to the insurance company and requested that they look at CCTV footage however the witnesses I took numbers for are only saying how he was speeding at tried to brake but failed due to his speed and are unsure whether they saw my car in stationary. I’m beyond shocked and in disbelief that this gentleman is not admitting liability, it was rush hour with crawling traffic and the damage to my car clearly shows it’s the impact of the bike on my car and not on his bike. I think he’s trying to say that I was turning and hit him. Hopefully I can upload images of my car Position in the Road following the accident as it gives an indication to the road. But what I want to know is will he get away with this?
You said later, I think, that you pulled left from your lane into the space where you car is shown the photos - the space ahead of the end of the bus lane.
You say above that the rider came off his bike a metre before your car., I assume from that: (a) the rider saw you; (b) at some point the rider braked (c) the rider lost control under braking; (d) the rider and bike went down; (e) the bike went into your car without the rider on it.
I'm also assuming there was nothing else in the bus lane apart from the bike.
Putting all that together, my guess is as follows:
Rider is riding along a largely empty bus lane. You pull away from the lights, past the bus stop and end of bus lane, and move the left ready to make the left turn.
ETA: due to the curve of the road just before the lights, and if you really were stationary for 5 s (surprisingly long, if you try it) it's possible that when you moved across to the left the rider's headlight would have not been visible in your mirror as the rider hadn't come around the curve by then
The lights you've just gone through are green for the rider; he doesn't have to slow down. Once he is through the lights on the straight he sees you across his line, but he assumes you will complete your manoeuvre into the minor road by the time he is at that bit of road.
You sit where you are for a few seconds because peds are crossing the mouth of the minor road.
The rider realises - too late - that you're not moving out of his way and you're sitting there going nowhere. He brakes, hard, but now the speed he has been able to carry through the green light counts against him because he has too much speed.
The rider realises that under heavy braking he will only make things worse if he swerves to the left to use the blue painted bike lane or maybe doesn't have time to consider that option. Either way, he maintains his line towards your front wing.
At the very last minute the rider jumps off so as not to crunch his right leg between his bike and your car.
50/50. He's going too fast and you start a manoeuvre without having the space to finish it.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 9th February 14:34
Greg66 said:
Guesswork time.
You said later, I think, that you pulled left from your lane into the space where you car is shown the photos - the space ahead of the end of the bus lane.
You say above that the rider came off his bike a metre before your car., I assume from that: (a) the rider saw you; (b) at some point the rider braked (c) the rider lost control under braking; (d) the rider and bike went down; (e) the bike went into your car without the rider on it.
I'm also assuming there was nothing else in the bus lane apart from the bike.
Putting all that together, my guess is as follows:
Rider is riding along a largely empty bus lane. You pull away from the lights, past the bus stop and end of bus lane, and move the left ready to make the left turn.
ETA: due to the curve of the road just before the lights, and if you really were stationary for 5 s (surprisingly long, if you try it) it's possible that when you moved across to the left the rider's headlight would have not been visible in your mirror as the rider hadn't come around the curve by then
The lights you've just gone through are green for the rider; he doesn't have to slow down. Once he is through the lights on the straight he sees you across his line, but he assumes you will complete your manoeuvre into the minor road by the time he is at that bit of road.
You sit where you are for a few seconds because peds are crossing the mouth of the minor road.
The rider realises - too late - that you're not moving out of his way and you're sitting there going nowhere. He brakes, hard, but now the speed he has been able to carry through the green light counts against him because he has too much speed.
The rider realises that under heavy braking he will only make things worse if he swerves to the left to use the blue painted bike lane or maybe doesn't have time to consider that option. Either way, he maintains his line towards your front wing.
At the very last minute the rider jumps off so as not to crunch his right leg between his bike and your car.
50/50. He's going too fast and you start a manoeuvre without having the space to finish it.
Thankyou GregYou said later, I think, that you pulled left from your lane into the space where you car is shown the photos - the space ahead of the end of the bus lane.
You say above that the rider came off his bike a metre before your car., I assume from that: (a) the rider saw you; (b) at some point the rider braked (c) the rider lost control under braking; (d) the rider and bike went down; (e) the bike went into your car without the rider on it.
I'm also assuming there was nothing else in the bus lane apart from the bike.
Putting all that together, my guess is as follows:
Rider is riding along a largely empty bus lane. You pull away from the lights, past the bus stop and end of bus lane, and move the left ready to make the left turn.
ETA: due to the curve of the road just before the lights, and if you really were stationary for 5 s (surprisingly long, if you try it) it's possible that when you moved across to the left the rider's headlight would have not been visible in your mirror as the rider hadn't come around the curve by then
The lights you've just gone through are green for the rider; he doesn't have to slow down. Once he is through the lights on the straight he sees you across his line, but he assumes you will complete your manoeuvre into the minor road by the time he is at that bit of road.
You sit where you are for a few seconds because peds are crossing the mouth of the minor road.
The rider realises - too late - that you're not moving out of his way and you're sitting there going nowhere. He brakes, hard, but now the speed he has been able to carry through the green light counts against him because he has too much speed.
The rider realises that under heavy braking he will only make things worse if he swerves to the left to use the blue painted bike lane or maybe doesn't have time to consider that option. Either way, he maintains his line towards your front wing.
At the very last minute the rider jumps off so as not to crunch his right leg between his bike and your car.
50/50. He's going too fast and you start a manoeuvre without having the space to finish it.
Edited by Greg66 on Friday 9th February 14:34
I appreciate the feedback.
Nik da Greek said:
Legal precedent is set (can't remember the case law name) for filtering on a bike being a dangerous thing and responsibility is on the rider to do it safely. If he came from behind you, he obviously wasn't doing it safely if he hit you. However, you still have a responsibility not to drive into other road users even if they're being dicks*
I would bet a considerable amount on the insurance will go 50-50 and you'll both have to suck it up
*not necessarily my personal opinion on this specific instance, and I'm no legal expert but I have been taken off motorbikes while filtering and it's always gone 50-50
The outcome is based on evidence, the insurers view on things and why the crash happened. I crashed into a car when the driver got bored of queuing and did a u-turn out of traffic (while I was filtering). Insurance went 100% in my favour with no question of liability. I would bet a considerable amount on the insurance will go 50-50 and you'll both have to suck it up
*not necessarily my personal opinion on this specific instance, and I'm no legal expert but I have been taken off motorbikes while filtering and it's always gone 50-50
fair play to that bike though. To have done as much damage as that to the Ops car and he walked away and bike rideable.
Cracking. Think i'll buy one for my London commute.
Insurance will be 50/50 still though, based on everything that has been said.
Unless some evidence comes to light that the car driver actually turned across the rider (if he had a camera on).
Cracking. Think i'll buy one for my London commute.
Insurance will be 50/50 still though, based on everything that has been said.
Unless some evidence comes to light that the car driver actually turned across the rider (if he had a camera on).
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