National Highways - litter?
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I’m really glad this isn’t just me. I live in Cumbria and regularly travel down to different areas in and around the Lake District. Also travel down around Blackburn and Accrington and in and out of Blackpool areas. The roadsides in most areas are disgusting. I often think that one of the first signs of a country going down hill is the pride in its surroundings.
CrgT16 said:
When you are given many things for nothing (house, healthcare, etc), when you don’t need to even work then you value none of those things.
When most things in your life are free you give them no value… that’s the problem.
Well that might be coming to an end, what with a possible WW3 and everything.When most things in your life are free you give them no value… that’s the problem.
Litter in all verges all the time, left Asda tilbury this afternoon they’ve got a Mcds on the car park, mcds rubbish all over the approach roads to and from the store. These people don’t give 2 F’s about dropping litter. We’re fighting a losing battle. Large tyre debris most of the way down the central reservation of the M1 I’m assuming after whatever accident has been cleared the large bits are just left? Why???
IN a lot of places now locals are starting to clean up roads and verges, you obviously can not do this on busy roads and motorways. But let's face it the problem is not the councils oir anyone else, it is lazy, rude, inconsiderate people, there are probably other reason that I can not go into, but I hope you know what I mean, let's just say there are a lot of people here who are only here for one reason they couldn't give a toss about anything else.
As usual it all comes down to cash
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Govt money needed to fund clearing up 100 tonnes of waste
CrgT16 said:
When you are given many things for nothing (house, healthcare, etc), when you don’t need to even work then you value none of those things.
When most things in your life are free you give them no value… that’s the problem.
The thing is - I’m in the Philippines at the moment, they have no social housing or healthcare here, yet littering by the roads is still a massive problem. So basically you are wrong. When most things in your life are free you give them no value… that’s the problem.
It's a serious problem here in North Yorkshire . One almost expects litter on major roads but some of the most offensive is on single track and minor roads in the countryside. I often walk along such roads and see the same type of litter every week , dropped I suspect by the same group of people. It's McDonalds/ Costa / Greggs/ Fosters / Monster usually .
When I've talked about it to locals a common response is- "It's them f **g cyclists ,I f***g hate 'em . And them b
d walkers. from town. " I think that reflects the visceral loathing some locals have for outsiders - anybody from more than 3 miles away from their village. I've tried to argue that cyclists are unlikely to have pedalled six miles uphill from the nearest Costa .. From my own observation I suspect young blokes in pickups(usually called 'Marauder . Predator etc) are the more likely culprits .
But if you think it's bad now , litter was much , much worse when I grew up in Sixties Yorkshire . Pavements were studded with chip papers , fag packets and dog st. Nowadays I think only a small minority drops litter - but they do it on an industrial scale
When I've talked about it to locals a common response is- "It's them f **g cyclists ,I f***g hate 'em . And them b
d walkers. from town. " I think that reflects the visceral loathing some locals have for outsiders - anybody from more than 3 miles away from their village. I've tried to argue that cyclists are unlikely to have pedalled six miles uphill from the nearest Costa .. From my own observation I suspect young blokes in pickups(usually called 'Marauder . Predator etc) are the more likely culprits . But if you think it's bad now , litter was much , much worse when I grew up in Sixties Yorkshire . Pavements were studded with chip papers , fag packets and dog s
t. Nowadays I think only a small minority drops litter - but they do it on an industrial scale We dont notice it so much on the Isle of Wight but it is getting worse. The lane where we live goes from the main town to the military (coast road) *they* buy KFC etc in Newport drive out and then chuck all the rubbish out of the window. Quite where they are going no one seems to know !
We were in Morocco (Agadir) a couple of weeks ago and I was staggered by the amount of rubbish and litter everywhere - I dont think it could ever be cleared up there is simply too much now.
In the towns around here though a lot of it comes form the refuse collectors, When they put the wheelie bins and empty these bug black backs in the dust cart bits fall out and they CBA to pick it up so it sits in the gutters.
We were in Morocco (Agadir) a couple of weeks ago and I was staggered by the amount of rubbish and litter everywhere - I dont think it could ever be cleared up there is simply too much now.
In the towns around here though a lot of it comes form the refuse collectors, When they put the wheelie bins and empty these bug black backs in the dust cart bits fall out and they CBA to pick it up so it sits in the gutters.
Terminator X said:
Fundamentaly why are people littering. I've lnever chucked anything out of the car when going somewhere. Lack of respect and general ttishness.
TX.
Thistishness.TX.
I live in a very rural area but where I walk the dog there's a pattern of energy drink cans and food packaging along the roadside. I'm assuming the same person on way to work.
They need strung up.
I've been working on the M5 and M1 recently and the amount of crap in the verges is astonishing. The biggest surprise was the amount of bottles full of piss.
I've just had a week up in west Scotland I'd always remarked on the lack of litter but not this year it just seems to be everywhere. Plus out in the middle of nowhere there were even transit pickup sized fly tips who the fk drives that far to dump crap? Surely it must be cheaper to go the tip than burn all that diesel or it was a local.
I've just had a week up in west Scotland I'd always remarked on the lack of litter but not this year it just seems to be everywhere. Plus out in the middle of nowhere there were even transit pickup sized fly tips who the f
k drives that far to dump crap? Surely it must be cheaper to go the tip than burn all that diesel or it was a local.loskie said:
Terminator X said:
Fundamentaly why are people littering. I've lnever chucked anything out of the car when going somewhere. Lack of respect and general ttishness.
TX.
Thistishness.TX.
I live in a very rural area but where I walk the dog there's a pattern of energy drink cans and food packaging along the roadside. I'm assuming the same person on way to work.
They need strung up.
I maintain the verge outside my house. There is a near-constant stream of fast food containers, fizzy drink cans (usually cheap "energy" drinks", crisp packets. Basically, any type of junk food. I'm 8 miles from the nearest town on a country lane, so I assume they consume the food and wait till they are somewhere quiet before lobbing it out of the window.
FFS, why? There are bins at the fast food place. They have bins at home. Total meat-trumpets
Littering is is a scumbag thing to do and it looks like we have an awful lot of scumbags in the country, I'd have them in orange jumpsuits picking litter up for a week for any single offence and their names/faces on a local bill board for good measure.
I always pick litter up but there is so much of it now you could spend all day doing it, I just don't understand the mentality those that litter, they have zero respect for themselves, the local environment or anyone else, where does such a poverty mindset come from?
For me one of the councils top priorities should be the street scene and that includes litter, we need to bring back the street cleaners that they have got rid of and start to punish littering properly and not with a fine that the council will just waste but on forcing them to work picking up litter, it seems that the basic functions of a council have been pushed to the side, they seem to do nothing that we want or expect of them and everything that we don't want.
I don't think I've ever seen the country in such a run down state.
Litter is not a Council priority . The problem is that most of a council's budget is spent on what are often called 'invisible services ' - ones we pay for but which don't benefit everyone . The big costs - and while demand is not controllable, budgets are capped - are home to school transport, SEND and adult care . An ageing population means more and more spent on the latter , and remember this is in addition to NHS provision and parents tend to be much more demanding, and litigious , than when most of us were kids.
I loathe litter and am appalled at the minority of people who do litter and fly tip.I don't think bins are the answer - if anything they are part of the problem . Unless money which is far better spent elsewhere is applied to almost daily litter collection and bin cleaning , bins get full and in the eyes of some that this gives them the right to hurl their litter anywhere . The litter I see most often is stuff simply hurled out of moving vehicles in any case . It's inexcusable and disgusting . And I have no idea why people do it .
I loathe litter and am appalled at the minority of people who do litter and fly tip.I don't think bins are the answer - if anything they are part of the problem . Unless money which is far better spent elsewhere is applied to almost daily litter collection and bin cleaning , bins get full and in the eyes of some that this gives them the right to hurl their litter anywhere . The litter I see most often is stuff simply hurled out of moving vehicles in any case . It's inexcusable and disgusting . And I have no idea why people do it .
Littering is just ingrained in so many people, and councils like to make anything in the way of litter picking hard.
I recently spoke to someone (in Gwynedd) who had been threatened with prosecution by the council for clearing the litter out of a layby near his home. He It's a beautiful spot, with an excellent view over the sea, so well worth the effort. He was hoping to get their blessing for a more organised campaign of local litter picking. He won't be doing it again.
It's not just visitors either. I occasionally pick litter on a Gwynedd beach, and 95% of the plastics I pick up have either been allowed to blow there by local farmers, or have washed up having been chucked/lost overboard by fishing boats. The holidaymaker rubbish is very much in the minority by number of items, and barely significant by weight. Of course this will vary beach by beach, but it winds me up every time that most of the rubbish comes from groups of people who boast about being 'guardians of the environment'.
I would never tell the council that I was doing this, as no doubt their reaction to me would be the same as it was to the other guy.
I recently spoke to someone (in Gwynedd) who had been threatened with prosecution by the council for clearing the litter out of a layby near his home. He It's a beautiful spot, with an excellent view over the sea, so well worth the effort. He was hoping to get their blessing for a more organised campaign of local litter picking. He won't be doing it again.
It's not just visitors either. I occasionally pick litter on a Gwynedd beach, and 95% of the plastics I pick up have either been allowed to blow there by local farmers, or have washed up having been chucked/lost overboard by fishing boats. The holidaymaker rubbish is very much in the minority by number of items, and barely significant by weight. Of course this will vary beach by beach, but it winds me up every time that most of the rubbish comes from groups of people who boast about being 'guardians of the environment'.
I would never tell the council that I was doing this, as no doubt their reaction to me would be the same as it was to the other guy.
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