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AmitG said:
I have an invite to the upcoming DS7 launch at a Citroen dealer that has invested heavily in DS (new showroom etc.) I am looking forward to seeing it, although like you I am not a huge fan of SUVs.
You'll have to let us know what you think of it. Some of the new technologies in it look quite intriguing, will be interesting to see how well it sells. Personally I'm hoping they make some ultra-stylish, ultra-comfortable C6 replacement. I hear however that there is a DS3 Crossback in the pipeline before then which will probably sell like hot cakes if it comes to fruition.
A few more from the last few months.
That DS7 starting from £41k sounds steep, not sure what comes as standard but I would hope it's a fair amount of kit! I know they have a supposedly quite decent hybrid version coming out, although already if that figure is for the basic model then it'll attract that new unfavourable post-£40k VED rate for the first few years...
Muddle238 said:
That DS7 starting from £41k sounds steep, not sure what comes as standard but I would hope it's a fair amount of kit! I know they have a supposedly quite decent hybrid version coming out, although already if that figure is for the basic model then it'll attract that new unfavourable post-£40k VED rate for the first few years...
The 41k is for the launch version which is pretty highly specified. However it's worth noting that it doesn't even come fully loaded - you can add an extra 2k on options easily. For example the Focal Electra hi-fi is not standard.The "normal" models will start at 28k apparently.
And there is no 4WD. On any model. Except the hybrid, which will come later.
I will update after the event. On paper, the DS7 makes no sense, but then you could say the same about the DS5...
CAPP0 said:
tonyb1968 said:
you need to look at the new DS7
I like the DS5, so you had me all interested there until this happened:
FROM £41k? For the poverty-spec version? Ah'm oot.
Then you have this
Engines that give the best of all worlds
DS7 CROSSBACK takes dynamic, refined driving a step further thanks to its new THP 225hp Stop & Start petrol engine with the eight-speed automatic gearbox. A world first on DS7 CROSSBACK, this latest transmission provides rapid, imperceptible changes and is also available with the BlueHDi 180hp diesel engine.
Due to arrive in spring 2019 on DS7 CROSSBACK, rechargeable hybrid E-TENSE, will deliver performance and efficiency with 300hp, 4 wheel drive and 37 miles range in zero emission mode. An innovative and unique architecture ensures no compromise to passenger space or boot capacity.
Starts looking interesting, the new THP engines should be an improvement on the ones out there now, it will be quirky but then again DS owners all seem to be anyway
Glasgowrob said:
Peugeot/citroen/DS have lost the plot with the pricing,
we looked at the new Peugeot traveler, north of 40k on list but you can easily get a 10k discount from a broker, you would honestly think no one at the UK head office was looking at the taxation issues
No they are more competitive than most of the other brands out there, and 10k discount, that will be a european import and not a UK spec car, plus you can get a reasonable discount from Peugeot by haggling.we looked at the new Peugeot traveler, north of 40k on list but you can easily get a 10k discount from a broker, you would honestly think no one at the UK head office was looking at the taxation issues
The example that I have is that earlier this year I was offered a brand new Peugeot 308 GTI 250 for less than 19k, that had the seats and wheels as per the 270 so a good price, no plot lost there for a bargain performance car
AmitG said:
Congratulations!
What are your thoughts on the upcoming DS7?
I think it's a very important car for DS, as it's the first model being released solely under the DS badge and wasn't previously a Citroen. It's got some very interesting tech and will probably sell like hot cakes because it's an SUV. What are your thoughts on the upcoming DS7?
However for me that its main drawback, being an SUV. I don't like them, so I won't be buying on however I'll be very interested to have a poke about one if I'm ever in a dealer, as it will probably give you an idea what to expect from future DS cars.
@Muddle238.....have you replaced rear dampers with newer version (Sachs 314934)? I recently bought DS5 2011 2.0hdi automatic and I would reconsider replacing rear dampers in order to "keep calm" rear end as it do shakes on bumpy roads. If you did replacement, was it worth? Or car is still "unstable" and harsh over bumps?
Mares said:
@Muddle238.....have you replaced rear dampers with newer version (Sachs 314934)? I recently bought DS5 2011 2.0hdi automatic and I would reconsider replacing rear dampers in order to "keep calm" rear end as it do shakes on bumpy roads. If you did replacement, was it worth? Or car is still "unstable" and harsh over bumps?
Yes I did exactly this, it transformed the car for the better. The general undulations in the road surface get soaked up nicely, although if you hit a pothole it will still feel unstable but nowhere near as badly on the original dampers. In my eyes it's the best £120 you can spend on the car. Sounds good, will definitely try it, not so costly. Btw, except dampers (shock absorbers right?) anything else should be changed on rear suspension (springs...)?
Btw, do you think works on front suspension could improve it? Generally front suspension is not an issue for me, but if it could be "softer", that might be reconsidered. Mine is on 18'' wheels.
I generally love this car even though I have it only for 1 month.
Aside general positive feeling, I have 3 major dislikes:
- rear suspension (hopefully to improve it by replacing dampers)
- wind noise from back side of the car. It is quite loud driving above let's say 70-80km/h. Seems like sound isolation of back part of the car is weak. I have a feeling like first half of the car is done great, but second half (starting from back of front seats) lacks engagement. I do not know if noise is coming from back doors or beneath back seat/back wheels, there is also back seat belt hole just above back wheels and maybe sound is going through this opening directly into car. If doors are an issue, maybe to consider additional implementation of sound-proof material into back doors.
- weak air condition. When it gets too hot, above 30 celsius, a/c is simply weak to cool down interior quickly even set at max speed. I also have leather seats and car easily gets heated inside during hot days, a/c should be much stronger, they failed here.
One more thing, I read in one of your posts you had some interferences with reverse camera. I also have this problem, sometimes it is working properly, sometimes not (so far usually not working properly). Picture is flickering, and sometimes divided into two rows (like having two cameras lol). Did you solve this issue? I am waiting from my service shop for feedback on this matter, anyhow, I saw several videos on youtube having similar issues (not DS5 but other cars) and people were mentioning to install some relay or connect camera power supply onto more stable voltage. I asked one electrician about this, he said as this is factory installed camera, relay or changing power supply to camera would not solve an issue (do not know why, I am not into electrics). He said, if it is additionally installed reverse camera (not onto car's e-myway device) in that case relay/change of pwer supply would likely solve the problem.
Btw, do you think works on front suspension could improve it? Generally front suspension is not an issue for me, but if it could be "softer", that might be reconsidered. Mine is on 18'' wheels.
I generally love this car even though I have it only for 1 month.
Aside general positive feeling, I have 3 major dislikes:
- rear suspension (hopefully to improve it by replacing dampers)
- wind noise from back side of the car. It is quite loud driving above let's say 70-80km/h. Seems like sound isolation of back part of the car is weak. I have a feeling like first half of the car is done great, but second half (starting from back of front seats) lacks engagement. I do not know if noise is coming from back doors or beneath back seat/back wheels, there is also back seat belt hole just above back wheels and maybe sound is going through this opening directly into car. If doors are an issue, maybe to consider additional implementation of sound-proof material into back doors.
- weak air condition. When it gets too hot, above 30 celsius, a/c is simply weak to cool down interior quickly even set at max speed. I also have leather seats and car easily gets heated inside during hot days, a/c should be much stronger, they failed here.
One more thing, I read in one of your posts you had some interferences with reverse camera. I also have this problem, sometimes it is working properly, sometimes not (so far usually not working properly). Picture is flickering, and sometimes divided into two rows (like having two cameras lol). Did you solve this issue? I am waiting from my service shop for feedback on this matter, anyhow, I saw several videos on youtube having similar issues (not DS5 but other cars) and people were mentioning to install some relay or connect camera power supply onto more stable voltage. I asked one electrician about this, he said as this is factory installed camera, relay or changing power supply to camera would not solve an issue (do not know why, I am not into electrics). He said, if it is additionally installed reverse camera (not onto car's e-myway device) in that case relay/change of pwer supply would likely solve the problem.
Edited by Mares on Thursday 28th June 22:42
Edited by Mares on Thursday 28th June 22:42
Mares said:
Sounds good, will definitely try it, not so costly. Btw, except dampers (shock absorbers right?) anything else should be changed on rear suspension (springs...)?
Btw, do you think works on front suspension could improve it? Generally front suspension is not an issue for me, but if it could be "softer", that might be reconsidered. Mine is on 18'' wheels.
I generally love this car even though I have it only for 1 month.
Aside general positive feeling, I have 3 major dislikes:
- rear suspension (hopefully to improve it by replacing dampers)
- wind noise from back side of the car. It is quite loud driving above let's say 70-80km/h. Seems like sound isolation of back part of the car is weak. I have a feeling like first half of the car is done great, but second half (starting from back of front seats) lacks engagement. I do not know if noise is coming from back doors or beneath back seat/back wheels, there is also back seat belt hole just above back wheels and maybe sound is going through this opening directly into car. If doors are an issue, maybe to consider additional implementation of sound-proof material into back doors.
- weak air condition. When it gets too hot, above 30 celsius, a/c is simply weak to cool down interior quickly even set at max speed. I also have leather seats and car easily gets heated inside during hot days, a/c should be much stronger, they failed here.
One more thing, I read in one of your posts you had some interferences with reverse camera. I also have this problem, sometimes it is working properly, sometimes not (so far usually not working properly). Picture is flickering, and sometimes divided into two rows (like having two cameras lol). Did you solve this issue? I am waiting from my service shop for feedback on this matter, anyhow, I saw several videos on youtube having similar issues (not DS5 but other cars) and people were mentioning to install some relay or connect camera power supply onto more stable voltage. I asked one electrician about this, he said as this is factory installed camera, relay or changing power supply to camera would not solve an issue (do not know why, I am not into electrics). He said, if it is additionally installed reverse camera (not onto car's e-myway device) in that case relay/change of pwer supply would likely solve the problem.
Nothing else needs replacing, the Sachs shocks are a direct replacement and can be done in an afternoon at home providing you have a good socket set (plus 21mm and 24mm deep sockets from memory, could be wrong), torque wrench, bench vice, good quality axle stands and some patience. Other simple things to improve ride quality - correct tyre pressures make a big difference in the DS5, I run the fronts at 2.6 bar and the rears 2.4 bar. I also fitted a full size spare wheel under the rear of the car, this has the effect of adding weight which helps to dampen out undulations in the ride quality. Btw, do you think works on front suspension could improve it? Generally front suspension is not an issue for me, but if it could be "softer", that might be reconsidered. Mine is on 18'' wheels.
I generally love this car even though I have it only for 1 month.
Aside general positive feeling, I have 3 major dislikes:
- rear suspension (hopefully to improve it by replacing dampers)
- wind noise from back side of the car. It is quite loud driving above let's say 70-80km/h. Seems like sound isolation of back part of the car is weak. I have a feeling like first half of the car is done great, but second half (starting from back of front seats) lacks engagement. I do not know if noise is coming from back doors or beneath back seat/back wheels, there is also back seat belt hole just above back wheels and maybe sound is going through this opening directly into car. If doors are an issue, maybe to consider additional implementation of sound-proof material into back doors.
- weak air condition. When it gets too hot, above 30 celsius, a/c is simply weak to cool down interior quickly even set at max speed. I also have leather seats and car easily gets heated inside during hot days, a/c should be much stronger, they failed here.
One more thing, I read in one of your posts you had some interferences with reverse camera. I also have this problem, sometimes it is working properly, sometimes not (so far usually not working properly). Picture is flickering, and sometimes divided into two rows (like having two cameras lol). Did you solve this issue? I am waiting from my service shop for feedback on this matter, anyhow, I saw several videos on youtube having similar issues (not DS5 but other cars) and people were mentioning to install some relay or connect camera power supply onto more stable voltage. I asked one electrician about this, he said as this is factory installed camera, relay or changing power supply to camera would not solve an issue (do not know why, I am not into electrics). He said, if it is additionally installed reverse camera (not onto car's e-myway device) in that case relay/change of pwer supply would likely solve the problem.
Edited by Mares on Thursday 28th June 22:42
Edited by Mares on Thursday 28th June 22:42
I believe there is an aftermarket front shock kit available, however last time I checked it was available from Holland for about 1000e - not worth the cost in my view given the difference it'll likely make.
As for the rear wind noise, it's worth checking that all the door seals are present and sitting correctly. They're not generally known to be an issue on the DS5 however it's always a possibility that one is either missing or has come loose somehow. Perhaps check symmetrically between left and right hand sides of the car. Also perhaps double check that the rear windows are fully up and haven't got a microscopic gap at the top.
Air conditioning, perhaps if your car is 2011 then at seven years old the system could do with a recharge. Mine is adequate, not the coldest system but with the correct settings (just the drivers face vents open) you can get a good stream of cool air that keeps you comfortable. On exceptionally hot days it's worth closing the roof blinds too, as otherwise the car is having to deal with sunlight coming in through 14 sets of windows and bits of glass!
My issues with the reversing camera have solved themselves thankfully. I don't know if it makes a difference or not, however when I start the car I always wait for the ICE system to fully start up before releasing the handbrake and moving off, even if I'm just putting it away in the garage or moving it about on the driveway. I'm not tech expert and I don't understand why this should make a difference, but certainly in recent years following this procedure has coincided with reverse camera display issues going away. On the subject of reverse cameras, the night-time image can be quite poor. I fitted high-quality (and expensive) CREE LED bulbs into my reverse lights which gave out much more light than the standard 21w bulb, it makes a noticable difference on the camera.
Good luck with the car and be sure to post up some pictures! In fact this has prompted me to get an update on my own car in due course..
I was also considering installing full size spare wheel beneath the car, but I need complete kit that will hold spare wheel. I do not know how it is technically called, can you tell me? Also, what is the price for it (without wheel)? Could it be found as used? I would prefer to have spare wheel, not mainly to improve stability of rear end but to keep my mind more clear in case one of tyres breaks (even though I have emergency reparation kit).
A/c was recharged after I bough the car, but generally it is weak on extremely hot days. Even with roof blinds on, interior really gets like oven easily, If temperature outside is below 30 celsius, then it is ok. Proper test of a/c will be this summer, july and august should be very hot here (I am from Serbia). Eg., my father has Merc w211 and its a/c is like being in refrigerator, which I prefer more, it is much powerful than DS a/c.
Past few days we have rainy days and temperature is around 20-23 celsius, camera is working properly, strange. I will see if higher outside temperature affects camera malfunction.
Concerning cree led reverse lights, can you tell me what model you installed (or what power)? Is it just plug n play during replacement or additional modifications should be done on installations?
Next week should be nice weather, after I wash the car will post some pictures
A/c was recharged after I bough the car, but generally it is weak on extremely hot days. Even with roof blinds on, interior really gets like oven easily, If temperature outside is below 30 celsius, then it is ok. Proper test of a/c will be this summer, july and august should be very hot here (I am from Serbia). Eg., my father has Merc w211 and its a/c is like being in refrigerator, which I prefer more, it is much powerful than DS a/c.
Past few days we have rainy days and temperature is around 20-23 celsius, camera is working properly, strange. I will see if higher outside temperature affects camera malfunction.
Concerning cree led reverse lights, can you tell me what model you installed (or what power)? Is it just plug n play during replacement or additional modifications should be done on installations?
Next week should be nice weather, after I wash the car will post some pictures
I'll get you the part numbers for the spare wheel carrier and various fixings required. The total cost was about £130 I believe, plus the wheel which was about £100. All in all, cheaper than buying a new 235/40R19 Michelin if I filled it with sealant.
I'll try and find a link as well for the CREE reverse bulbs. They were about £30 for the pair I believe, although this was a few years ago. The good news is that the same bulbs are still working three years down the line. I also fitted CREE indicator bulbs front and rear, if that's of interest.
I'll try and find a link as well for the CREE reverse bulbs. They were about £30 for the pair I believe, although this was a few years ago. The good news is that the same bulbs are still working three years down the line. I also fitted CREE indicator bulbs front and rear, if that's of interest.
Mares said:
I was also considering installing full size spare wheel beneath the car, but I need complete kit that will hold spare wheel. I do not know how it is technically called, can you tell me? Also, what is the price for it (without wheel)? Could it be found as used? I would prefer to have spare wheel, not mainly to improve stability of rear end but to keep my mind more clear in case one of tyres breaks (even though I have emergency reparation kit).
Concerning cree led reverse lights, can you tell me what model you installed (or what power)? Is it just plug n play during replacement or additional modifications should be done on installations?
Spare wheel carrier - part number is RP9803750680 (x1)Concerning cree led reverse lights, can you tell me what model you installed (or what power)? Is it just plug n play during replacement or additional modifications should be done on installations?
Nuts to secure carrier to studs under the rear floor - part number 6936C9 (x4)
Crimp bolts to secure cable bracket under the rear floor - part number 6913V8 (x2)
Extension wrench to operate the mechanism - part number 671750 (x1)
Bear in mind you can only fit the spare wheel carrier to non-hybrid cars, as the hybrid models have the hybrid drivetrain where the spare wheel would go on the regular cars. For the spare wheel, if you have 18" alloys then you will need a spare wheel with 8J hub spec to fit your hubs. A space saver is available but a full size steel spare will fit, so I'd go for that.
For the reverse bulbs, I fitted something very similar to these, although I distinctly recall them being a bit more expensive than listed here:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-WHITE-CREE-LED-SMD-P...
They are a direct replacement for the standard bulbs. I also bought very similar amber bulbs to put in the rear indicator units. A while later I also swapped the front HY21w bulbs for LED, however the polarity of the LED bulbs didn't match the standard wiring going to the bulb holders, so I had to switch the wires over. This is easy enough on the front-right indicator, however access to the front-left is hampered by the positioning of the fusebox - realistically the easiest way to sort the wiring for this is to take the front left wheel and arch liner off, giving you excellent access from behind.
I phoned my service shop (not official dealer but experienced with Citroens, basically they are maintaining only Citroen-Peugeot cars) and ordered these dampers, expected to arrive during weekend from Germany, so replacement should be scheduled for next week.
Btw, person told me after he checked in Citroens service database my VIN, only these dampers are listed as reference (314934). If this was upgrade/replacement, should not they also list "old" dampers from initial installation (the one my car actually has), or they are under some catalog number but Sachs made some improvements (within same dampers)?
Btw, person told me after he checked in Citroens service database my VIN, only these dampers are listed as reference (314934). If this was upgrade/replacement, should not they also list "old" dampers from initial installation (the one my car actually has), or they are under some catalog number but Sachs made some improvements (within same dampers)?
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