Humble, standard and original Impreza Turbo 2000

[cheddar]

tonyb1968 said:

The trouble with the Impreza is that its an aero dynamic brick, its not designed for high speed runs,

I'll just leave this here again, stock standard early 1998 update model, is an indicated 160mph really not fast enough?



Sorry about the thread derailment op, lovely car you've got there

[AntiLagGC8]

I agree. I love the Spec C and the Type R btw, excellent choices of car!

I felt my RB5 with the PPP was pretty underwhelming to be honest, it had so much traction it just didn't feel that exciting. I personally think when classics over 330bhp they become a different animal and a lot of fun! I've ran my car at 355bhp for years and when I get round to it I'd like somewhere around 450bhp.

Anyway, we should get back on topic, I love the fact his car is in superb condition because good classics are getting more rare by the day!

[tonyb1968]

cheddar said:

tonyb1968 said:

The trouble with the Impreza is that its an aero dynamic brick, its not designed for high speed runs,

I'll just leave this here again, stock standard early 1998 update model, is an indicated 160mph really not fast enough?



Sorry about the thread derailment op, lovely car you've got there

So about 145mph after you take into account the inaccuracy of the speedo (which is the top speed of the car).

[tonyb1968]

AntiLagGC8 said:

I agree. I love the Spec C and the Type R btw, excellent choices of car!

I felt my RB5 with the PPP was pretty underwhelming to be honest, it had so much traction it just didn't feel that exciting. I personally think when classics over 330bhp they become a different animal and a lot of fun! I've ran my car at 355bhp for years and when I get round to it I'd like somewhere around 450bhp.

Anyway, we should get back on topic, I love the fact his car is in superb condition because good classics are getting more rare by the day!

The fact that its a WR Sport makes it even rarer, they produced about 6 around 1999 and not many more in 2000.

[Prohibiting]

Thanks all. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and it's interesting to see what people think about a classic Impreza.

I used to own an Astra VXR, quoted figures of 0-60 in 5.8 seconds in standard guise. My Impreza Turbo 2000 is definitely quicker than the VXR I owned. I can't imagine an EP3 or a Clio keeping up.

Regardless, it's not all about speed and figures, it's about enjoyment and I love driving the thing. A remap will make it even better .

[tonyb1968]

Prohibiting said:

Thanks all. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and it's interesting to see what people think about a classic Impreza.

I used to own an Astra VXR, quoted figures of 0-60 in 5.8 seconds in standard guise. My Impreza Turbo 2000 is definitely quicker than the VXR I owned. I can't imagine an EP3 or a Clio keeping up.

Regardless, it's not all about speed and figures, it's about enjoyment and I love driving the thing. A remap will make it even better .

Check which ecu you have, its either going to be an AE800 or an AE801.

[jamiem555]

tonyb1968 said:

cheddar said:

tonyb1968 said:

The trouble with the Impreza is that its an aero dynamic brick, its not designed for high speed runs,

I'll just leave this here again, stock standard early 1998 update model, is an indicated 160mph really not fast enough?



Sorry about the thread derailment op, lovely car you've got there

So about 145mph after you take into account the inaccuracy of the speedo (which is the top speed of the car).

My one used to do that as well, after the remap. Sat nav was reading 156mph. The rear windows would get sucked open and the oil temp would climb rapidly. I think the map took away the boost restriction which kicked in at 145mph.

[tonyb1968]

jamiem555 said:

tonyb1968 said:

cheddar said:

tonyb1968 said:

The trouble with the Impreza is that its an aero dynamic brick, its not designed for high speed runs,

I'll just leave this here again, stock standard early 1998 update model, is an indicated 160mph really not fast enough?



Sorry about the thread derailment op, lovely car you've got there

So about 145mph after you take into account the inaccuracy of the speedo (which is the top speed of the car).

My one used to do that as well, after the remap. Sat nav was reading 156mph. The rear windows would get sucked open and the oil temp would climb rapidly. I think the map took away the boost restriction which kicked in at 145mph.

You would also find the inlet temps going through the roof (det heaven) as well as the airflow to the tmic is getting less due to the air now going over the scoop and not into it onto the tmic, fixed on new age sti's with the bigger scoops and a splitter for the air flow (and bigger tmic's).

[rb5er]

Tony, I will leave it there. Your argument is ridiculous. You want me to find time of day, altitude and drivers for comparisons and no documented stats count yet your experience trumps all. OK, brilliant argument

Yes I have driven plenty of imprezas and no I won't continue to argue with you as its pointless as you have dug your heels in with zero evidence.

Let the thread continue without the bickering caused by someones opinion clashing with documented facts.

[LordHaveMurci]

tonyb1968 said:

AntiLagGC8 said:

LordHaveMurci said:

I owned a standard 1997 Turbo 2000 for 4 years, I have owned my standard ish 172 Cup for 6 years. The Clio is not as quick, may not be FAR behind but it would be noticeable.

What does a classic scooby weigh, 1200kg? & has 208bhp, 172 Cup is just under 1100 with 172bhp (most make less they reckon). Then there's torque...

I have owned a RB5 for 7 years, I also owned a CTR for 4 years and have driven a Clio for 3 months.

I can see both sides of this discussion and I think there is some truth in both sides of the argument however if the Impreza is driven hard, its a reasonable amount quicker than both the CTR and the Clio in most give or take situations.

Off the line its a no contest, the Impreza will wipe the floor with both a CTR and the Clio. I loved my CTR but it was extremely difficult to get it off the line cleanly and although its quoted time is 6.6 to 60 my best (timed) time was 7.1's where as the Impreza has such a huge traction advantage I can and have got it off the line brilliantly many times.

On the road the Impreza also has a significant torque advantage but there will undoubtedly be situations where the CTR/172 can hold on to a UK turbo because in my experience you need a LOT more power to truly leave another car behind that is being driven hard.

And I agree with what you say, but people forget about aerodynamics, transmission losses, even the torque on the Turbo 2000 wasnt that impressive, with a PPP upgrade it made a hell of a difference, amazing what an exhaust and 30+lbs of torque can do.
The trouble with the Impreza is that its an aero dynamic brick, its not designed for high speed runs, its a fast A-B car (this sort of changed with the newer models which were much better at putting air onto the intercooler), and your average scoob lost around 20-22% to transmission losses, less with dccd, around 15-17%, and your average fwd car loses 10%, so your power advantage needs to be considerably higher than 215bhp to happily outpace a 172bhp car that's lighter with a better drag coefficient.

This in standard form was a bit of a letdown



On the other hand, after upgrading the brakes to a Brembo 305mm kit, PD7 wheels (in antracite) a/c, Defi gauges and PPP, it was far more enjoyable to drive the standard exhaust was very restrictive (plus 2 cats) and it didn't feel like it had 218lbs of torque (yet with the PPP ran a 249bhp run on a rolling road day with the Late Harvey Smith ).

This on the other hand was just a total sleeper and had stupid amounts of torque....


I had a new age wrx going through the gears try keep up with me going up hill whilst I was in 6th and not gaining, and this had the standard JDM map but she was pumping out around about 316bhp and 330ish lbs of torque

Not sure how much difference aerodynamics make at road legal speeds? Had my Scooby over the ton on many occasions (legally, obviously) but my Clio gets a little skittish over 80ish & only had it up to 120 once, considering I hillclimb it I'm not exactly scared to push it hard either.

[tonyb1968]

rb5er said:

Tony, I will leave it there. Your argument is ridiculous. You want me to find time of day, altitude and drivers for comparisons and no documented stats count yet your experience trumps all. OK, brilliant argument

Yes I have driven plenty of imprezas and no I won't continue to argue with you as its pointless as you have dug your heels in with zero evidence.

Let the thread continue without the bickering caused by someones opinion clashing with documented facts.

Seems i am not the only Subaru owner who thinks the same...

http://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-general-1/60922...

Post 26 is interesting in this one
http://www.scoobynet.com/other-marques-33/167240-w...

anyway you still have not told me if you have ever driven an standard turbo 2000 against a clio (or just a standard turbo 2000, and ambient temp, time of day, track/strip, time of year and conditions make a hell of a difference to times.

[tonyb1968]

LordHaveMurci said:

Not sure how much difference aerodynamics make at road legal speeds? Had my Scooby over the ton on many occasions (legally, obviously) but my Clio gets a little skittish over 80ish & only had it up to 120 once, considering I hillclimb it I'm not exactly scared to push it hard either.

I always found the Turbo 2000 and Type R to suffer quite badly from wind bufferting at higher speeds, not as stable as you would think, at silly high speeds then very poor, the Spec C was totally different, very stable at high speeds, you could drive that one handed whilst the classics needed 2 hands on the wheel (and a good grip!)

[Hrimfaxi]

A nice, clean, original classic Scooby

[anonymous-user]

nice car, not sure on the humble bit thou as these are pretty much the opposite of this.

[roadend1981]

LordHaveMurci said:

A 172 has siimilar performance to a Scooby? Having owned both I know that's not even remotely true!
6mth service interval, really?

They were very similar in performance.I had a 172 and my friend had the suburu wrx and there was little in it.The suburb would get a car length or two in front from standstill but then after that there would be nothing in it.If rolling they were quite equally matched.

[Afromonk]

Saw this thread the other day and worried about stealing your thunder but here's mine
Completely stock turbo 2000 with 34,000 miles, it's definetly Got to be in running for lowest miles
Something nice about keeping these original so big thumbs up mate

[Prohibiting]

That has to be one of the lowest in the UK. I never see any with less than 50k. How long have you owned it for?

Any more pictures?

[Afromonk]

Thanks, yes I imagine it's definetly in the running
Only 2 weeks, I'm the 4th owner, the original bought it as a motab car and chopped it in for an Audi at 3 years, then my old man had it for a few years, sold it to his best mate who only put 6000 on it in five years and now it's mine
Have every piece of paperwork including original bill of sale

100% stock, original clutch, original alloys, it's as stock as they come really, intend to keep it that way

I do but they're a bit naff, intend to run some polish and Wax over it this weekend and take some decent ones, cheers

[MDMA .]

I remember the first time I went out in one. lad a year below me at school turned up in on. M reg I think, silver, small 15 inch wheels. went out in it, 4 up and just blew me away. id been messing around in MK2 Golf gti's up to that point. changed my outlook on fast, 4 door saloons. he was a very good, smooth driver and I just couldn't believe how good that original Impreza was.

best thing about it, was that it was completely under the radar at that point. not many people knew what it was. looked like a 4 door shopping car with a bonnet scoop ( his was the early small bumper model ). small twin pipe at the rear and a nice little burble to it.

OP, yours looks a great car. enjoy it.

[Prohibiting]

Little update seeing as all picture hosting has died.

Fresh out of storage and given a good clean. Will be getting it back on the road as my daily within the next couple of months

Last year I managed to source some factory upgraded 16” rally spec Speedline wheels from the forums which would have been available from the dealer at the time.

Edited by Prohibiting on Monday 19th February 14:19