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LordHaveMurci said:
Remember that the 911 is rear engined & as such has a lot of grip back there!
Sliding them around on public roads sounds like a lot of fun but in reality is probably not a great idea. Had mine 7.5yrs & only had the back out once off a wet r/a on very worn Pirellis, this is despite driving it quite hard.
I've had a little moment in mine already. Only a small wobble rather than a full on drift. Maybe it was a white line or grit or something but the back stepped out a bit and I immediately corrected and lifted. We're talking 2nd gear, cold and wet. It definitely got my attention. I dont have the confidence to lean on the car yet in bends. Maybe I'm assuming it will let go at some point and I'm worrying unnecessarily. I'm used to having electronics which will save me and therefore knowing the 911 has none is making me drive it slower right now. Am I making sense?Sliding them around on public roads sounds like a lot of fun but in reality is probably not a great idea. Had mine 7.5yrs & only had the back out once off a wet r/a on very worn Pirellis, this is despite driving it quite hard.
ATM said:
I've had a little moment in mine already. Only a small wobble rather than a full on drift. Maybe it was a white line or grit or something but the back stepped out a bit and I immediately corrected and lifted. We're talking 2nd gear, cold and wet. It definitely got my attention. I dont have the confidence to lean on the car yet in bends. Maybe I'm assuming it will let go at some point and I'm worrying unnecessarily. I'm used to having electronics which will save me and therefore knowing the 911 has none is making me drive it slower right now. Am I making sense?
Complete sense, mine has PSM & even after 7.5yrs of never activating it I'm still respectful of the car! That's a big part of what I love about it, it's the only car I've owned that I've really felt was much better than me, it's a constant challenge & I love that :drive:LordHaveMurci said:
Complete sense, mine has PSM & even after 7.5yrs of never activating it I'm still respectful of the car! That's a big part of what I love about it, it's the only car I've owned that I've really felt was much better than me, it's a constant challenge & I love that :drive:
Doesn't PSM activate automatically whenever you start the car?ATM said:
Doesn't PSM activate automatically whenever you start the car?
Yes, it's always on unless you turn it off. What I meant was that I have never triggered it, the limits are higher than you think, even in the wet.The only incident I had was when I turned it off & drove like a dick on very worn tyres in greasy, cold conditions with adverse camber - yes, I was a dick!
LordHaveMurci said:
ATM said:
Doesn't PSM activate automatically whenever you start the car?
Yes, it's always on unless you turn it off. What I meant was that I have never triggered it, the limits are higher than you think, even in the wet.The only incident I had was when I turned it off & drove like a dick on very worn tyres in greasy, cold conditions with adverse camber - yes, I was a dick!
My Boxster was the same. It never got out of shape and it had no PSM. The 911 has already got out of shape [slightly] once and the seller warned me to be careful as I was about to leave his house. He did mention tight bends and 2nd gear. Maybe it is just new car paranoia and I should just assume it will be fine and boot it more.
mrfunex said:
Also, don't sweat about the occasional puff of blue smoke from the exhaust on startup. They all do that.
I've never known panic like it the first time that happened with mine!
I've never known panic like it the first time that happened with mine!
I know that feeling. The first time mine did it was so worried I felt sick. Drove to work (in my other car) feeling like the World had ended!
It's only done it a couple of times since. It seems to be when I've had a really, really quick run in it across country, particularly when holding gears for an overtake, and then park up over night. In the morning you get a puff of smoke for a second on start up. Always one to put the s
ts up you when you don't know the cars. Again speaking to several other owners, a couple of specialists and a lot of research on the internet, this seems to be quite normal. Especially with no discernible oil use and a healthy AOS...
ATM said:
Roger that.
My Boxster was the same. It never got out of shape and it had no PSM. The 911 has already got out of shape [slightly] once and the seller warned me to be careful as I was about to leave his house. He did mention tight bends and 2nd gear. Maybe it is just new car paranoia and I should just assume it will be fine and boot it more.
Apologies if you've already mentioned it, but what tyres is it on & how old are they? After advice on here, I run my PS2's at 32/40, manual recommends 36/44 from memory.My Boxster was the same. It never got out of shape and it had no PSM. The 911 has already got out of shape [slightly] once and the seller warned me to be careful as I was about to leave his house. He did mention tight bends and 2nd gear. Maybe it is just new car paranoia and I should just assume it will be fine and boot it more.
LordHaveMurci said:
ATM said:
Roger that.
My Boxster was the same. It never got out of shape and it had no PSM. The 911 has already got out of shape [slightly] once and the seller warned me to be careful as I was about to leave his house. He did mention tight bends and 2nd gear. Maybe it is just new car paranoia and I should just assume it will be fine and boot it more.
Apologies if you've already mentioned it, but what tyres is it on & how old are they? After advice on here, I run my PS2's at 32/40, manual recommends 36/44 from memory.My Boxster was the same. It never got out of shape and it had no PSM. The 911 has already got out of shape [slightly] once and the seller warned me to be careful as I was about to leave his house. He did mention tight bends and 2nd gear. Maybe it is just new car paranoia and I should just assume it will be fine and boot it more.
The Curn said:
Same as you; PS2's at 32/40. Seems to be a nice balance. Out of interest LordHaveMurci, what sort of mileage do you expect to see out of a set of rears? Are you running 285/30/18's on the rear?
Mine is a 2001 3.4, has 265's on rear, I see approx 6k from a pair of PS2's, fronts obviously last a bit longer.LordHaveMurci said:
ATM said:
Roger that.
My Boxster was the same. It never got out of shape and it had no PSM. The 911 has already got out of shape [slightly] once and the seller warned me to be careful as I was about to leave his house. He did mention tight bends and 2nd gear. Maybe it is just new car paranoia and I should just assume it will be fine and boot it more.
Apologies if you've already mentioned it, but what tyres is it on & how old are they? After advice on here, I run my PS2's at 32/40, manual recommends 36/44 from memory.My Boxster was the same. It never got out of shape and it had no PSM. The 911 has already got out of shape [slightly] once and the seller warned me to be careful as I was about to leave his house. He did mention tight bends and 2nd gear. Maybe it is just new car paranoia and I should just assume it will be fine and boot it more.
I have some dodgy Falken tyres on the front which look new.
I have PS3 on the back which again look new.
All are dated 2016.
ATM said:
Apologies are strictly forbidden here if this is Porsche talk.
I have some dodgy Falken tyres on the front which look new.
I have PS3 on the back which again look new.
All are dated 2016.
I've just had PS3's fitted on my Clio after 7yrs of running Toyo T1R's, have to say I'm not convinced on the PS3's despite them being the so called better tyre.I have some dodgy Falken tyres on the front which look new.
I have PS3 on the back which again look new.
All are dated 2016.
Always thought running different brands was a no no, even if paired front/rear?
Congratulations on acquiring your 996... I've done 105k miles in '00 C2 last 8 years (now on 162k), and I think it’s the perfect every day sports car.
You'll get used to the handling - in the dry they have a lot more grip than power, and you can really push them hard... get the front pushing a bit (but don’t pile the lock on!), ease the throttle, let the front tuck, and then jump straight on the gas… feels awesome when all 4 wheels are loaded mid corner.
In the wet you need to be a bit more careful, but traction is still immense. Once you get used to them, they are relatively easy to slide at low speeds on the throttle in the wet (very stable, not snappy when they come back in line)… It's momentum oversteer you need to be careful of… that’s not something you want to experience on the roads.
The geo sheet you posted – as you know, your car is running more camber than stock. Really not needed on the road IMO. Just makes the car follow cambers and wears the tyres out. Stock geo is fine.
Tyre wise, I run n rated MPS2’s. Fronts last forever. Rears last 6-8k, depending on motorway mileage. Contis are also pretty decent. Avoid Pirellis (I had one set, rears lasted less than 3k miles and they felt st). I run rear pressures at 36-38, fronts at 32… the car feels horrible (ride and handling) on factory recommended.
I had mine on 17’s for a couple of weeks whilst my wheels were being refurbished. Ride is nicer, but car loses some steering weight and precision, understeers more, and just generally feels softer. I didn’t like them at all… it’s not like a 996 is particularly stiffly suspended to start with (at least on stock springs/shocks/ARBs/bushes). 17’s and KW’s sounds the wrong way to go to me… better to have 18’s and stock suspension IMO.
Only real negative as far as I’m concerned is they can cost a lot to maintain if you use them for decent mileages. Mine had a few bits sorted last week and the bill came to £900. Needs to go back in a few weeks for a full exhaust (back boxes are finally shot, cats won’t pass MOT emissions and headers are cracked)… the bill will be £2,500 as there’s c.10 hours labour just to get the header studs out.
Over the time I’ve owned it, in addition to regular servicing, mines had a gearbox & diff rebuild, clutch (original lasted 132k), rads, suspension overhaul (top mounts, coffin arms, tie rods etc), AOS, alternator, fuel pump, window regulators, wheel bearings, ignition switch, coils, 2 or 3 MAF’s, a couple of batteries, numerous discs and pads (they corrode, but less so with regular use) and the AC needs fixing (most likely condensers).
Even after 8 years/100k miles, I still love driving it… plenty of quicker cars, but nothing else feels like a 911 - they are unique, and if you like that feeling, nothing else comes close.
996 engines do not appreciate getting too hot.
You'll get used to the handling - in the dry they have a lot more grip than power, and you can really push them hard... get the front pushing a bit (but don’t pile the lock on!), ease the throttle, let the front tuck, and then jump straight on the gas… feels awesome when all 4 wheels are loaded mid corner.
In the wet you need to be a bit more careful, but traction is still immense. Once you get used to them, they are relatively easy to slide at low speeds on the throttle in the wet (very stable, not snappy when they come back in line)… It's momentum oversteer you need to be careful of… that’s not something you want to experience on the roads.
The geo sheet you posted – as you know, your car is running more camber than stock. Really not needed on the road IMO. Just makes the car follow cambers and wears the tyres out. Stock geo is fine.
Tyre wise, I run n rated MPS2’s. Fronts last forever. Rears last 6-8k, depending on motorway mileage. Contis are also pretty decent. Avoid Pirellis (I had one set, rears lasted less than 3k miles and they felt s
t). I run rear pressures at 36-38, fronts at 32… the car feels horrible (ride and handling) on factory recommended.I had mine on 17’s for a couple of weeks whilst my wheels were being refurbished. Ride is nicer, but car loses some steering weight and precision, understeers more, and just generally feels softer. I didn’t like them at all… it’s not like a 996 is particularly stiffly suspended to start with (at least on stock springs/shocks/ARBs/bushes). 17’s and KW’s sounds the wrong way to go to me… better to have 18’s and stock suspension IMO.
Only real negative as far as I’m concerned is they can cost a lot to maintain if you use them for decent mileages. Mine had a few bits sorted last week and the bill came to £900. Needs to go back in a few weeks for a full exhaust (back boxes are finally shot, cats won’t pass MOT emissions and headers are cracked)… the bill will be £2,500 as there’s c.10 hours labour just to get the header studs out.
Over the time I’ve owned it, in addition to regular servicing, mines had a gearbox & diff rebuild, clutch (original lasted 132k), rads, suspension overhaul (top mounts, coffin arms, tie rods etc), AOS, alternator, fuel pump, window regulators, wheel bearings, ignition switch, coils, 2 or 3 MAF’s, a couple of batteries, numerous discs and pads (they corrode, but less so with regular use) and the AC needs fixing (most likely condensers).
Even after 8 years/100k miles, I still love driving it… plenty of quicker cars, but nothing else feels like a 911 - they are unique, and if you like that feeling, nothing else comes close.
The Curn said:
The other big panic that I had to get over was that the water temp gauge is NOT buffered and DOES move. If the AC isn't running it will get up to about 103c in traffic after a while (especially in hot weather) before the fans kick in and keep it in check. That will show on the gauge as right of the 0 on the 80 mark. Keep the AC on in heavy traffic and this makes thin the fans run to keep the gauge more central. THIS IS NORMAL. DO NOT PANIC!
If you want an accurate reading rather than the gauge you can bring this up on the centre climate display by pressing and holding certain buttons. I'll try and post a link to the "hack"...
Hmmm... mine started to get hot in traffic (high 90's). I had my Indy look at it and the OS fan wasn't cutting in (failed regulator). After I had this replaced it's rock solid and never goes above low 80's, even when stood for a long time with ambient temps >30*c.If you want an accurate reading rather than the gauge you can bring this up on the centre climate display by pressing and holding certain buttons. I'll try and post a link to the "hack"...
996 engines do not appreciate getting too hot.
TheRocket said:
ATM said:
Tried to get a shot of the negative camber going on at the front. Does this pic work?
Yep I think that works quite well, I wonder is that circa. -1.5 deg ? Car looks nice, also interested to hear about day to day ride quality on the KW's please ? There is a road nearby with a slight bump or hump which I know and drive regularly. In most cars I just hit it and prepare for the car to unsettle for a moment.
In the 911 I took off. I was airborne for maybe a second. Probably less due to the nature of these things feeling longer than they are. It was ace. I actually laughed out loud - no I cheered.
The jury is still out on the whole setup. I didn't buy this car because I wanted the same setup. I bought it because a lot of work had been done and a lot of parts replaced recently.
I do feel some numbness around the centre where the car doesn't quite want to centre itself. I tried different pressures and it's still the same. Perhaps this is the setup and maybe it's the tyres.
Also when turning there is a noise coming from the fascia which sounds like the steering wheel is rubbing slightly on something. Maybe this is preventing it from centering itself.
Edited by ATM on Tuesday 2nd October 21:58
Quick Google search brings up this one which looks about right. According to the ad it is 350mm. I'm not sure I like the feel of this as the rim is thin and the overall diameter feels small.
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