MDifficult’s E82 1M Coupe & Ariel Atom 3

MDifficult’s E82 1M Coupe & Ariel Atom 3

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MDifficult

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185 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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Try what they might, they just can't fix the 'gopping' front end laugh

The wheels and rear lights are gash too, but the rest... I really like!

Trustmeimadoctor

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155 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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I mean chances of any of that other than paint making production 0.00001%

I quite like the front splitter but the union flag rear lights argh

MDifficult

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Thursday 7th September 2017
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Trustmeimadoctor said:
I mean chances of any of that other than paint making production 0.00001%

I quite like the front splitter but the union flag rear lights argh
Yeah, the rear lights are just 'the worst'. Although, something weird about the exhaust tips too - they look smaller and narrower than on the original Cooper S, let alone the more recents performance variants. Sorry for being childish but with exhausts, bigger = better. One of my favourite features of the GP2 is the honking great big pipes wink

I agree that most of it won't make production, but I like the fact they're really going for it with the concept.. should mean the production car is a real Marmite car - just as GPs should be.

ECG1000

381 posts

142 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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What a great thread! Thoroughly enjoyed reading that - well written.

I've just added a little pocket rocket to my fleet, in the shape of a MK7 Fiesta ST. I know it's no GP2 but it's still hilarious fun!
Having dismissed FWD some time ago, it's very refreshing to be back reliving my yobbish late teens/early twenties.

I'll be keeping an eye out for updates. biggrin

MDifficult

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ECG1000 said:
What a great thread! Thoroughly enjoyed reading that - well written.
Cheers! Got another update on the go so hope to keep the quality up if I can. Hard to know what folk want to know so just share the stuff I find interesting.

ECG1000 said:
I've just added a little pocket rocket to my fleet, in the shape of a MK7 Fiesta ST. I know it's no GP2 but it's still hilarious fun!
Having dismissed FWD some time ago, it's very refreshing to be back reliving my yobbish late teens/early twenties.
Awesome and couldn't agree more. The simplicity and (let's be honest) safety of less power and FWD mean you can have more fun, more often, in many more places. Not yet ripped a huge handbrake turn in Tesco's carpark but it's coming... it's coming... laugh

Aftershox

397 posts

158 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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ECG1000 said:
What a great thread! Thoroughly enjoyed reading that - well written.

I've just added a little pocket rocket to my fleet, in the shape of a MK7 Fiesta ST. I know it's no GP2 but it's still hilarious fun!
Having dismissed FWD some time ago, it's very refreshing to be back reliving my yobbish late teens/early twenties.

I'll be keeping an eye out for updates. biggrin
Whatever speed, if it's 10mph through a town center or out on the twisties the GP2 it "on it" and glued to the road wanting to go for it. Absolutely love it, it's only a Mini to some people but the amount of looks it get's from car enthusiasts is much more than I expected!

MDifficult

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Thursday 7th September 2017
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Aftershox said:
Whatever speed, if it's 10mph through a town center or out on the twisties the GP2 it "on it" and glued to the road wanting to go for it. Absolutely love it, it's only a Mini to some people but the amount of looks it get's from car enthusiasts is much more than I expected!
Couldn't agree more bow

ECG1000

381 posts

142 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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MDifficult said:
Awesome and couldn't agree more. The simplicity and (let's be honest) safety of less power and FWD mean you can have more fun, more
I didn't want to say that because I'm a hairy-chested rear wheel drive peddler ( biglaugh ) but yes, it's very true. Getting on the power earlier than what seems sensible and feeling the front end scrabble you round a corner is a right laugh!

MDifficult said:
Not yet ripped a huge handbrake turn in Tesco's carpark but it's coming...
The knickers of all the ladies within the vicinity will be dropped when you do that biggrin

MDifficult

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Thursday 7th September 2017
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After comparing the mechanical side in a post a while back, thought it might be interesting to compare the more subjective bits!...

INTERIOR

M5
Silverstone leather with gloss black inserts, Multi-function sports seats, split-fold rear seat, black headlining (youngest child not included!)


GP
Alcantara black & red everything, gloss black inserts, Recaro sports seats with GP stitching


When I was car hunting for the M5 I had a couple of 'must have' requirements and one of those was the Silverstone (white) interior - I think it sets off the blue exterior so much better than black and lifts the otherwise dark interior of BMWs. The Multi-Function seats are outstanding, infinitely adjustable and incredibly comfortable. They also look SO much better than the standard seats to my eyes. Split-fold rear seats weren't a standard option on the M5 bizarrely, but come in incredibly useful for hauling bikes, spare tyres or the inevitable trips to the tip. The leather's standing up very well with only the drivers seat bolster showing any sign of wear even at 50k+ miles. Keeping it clean is the only challenge!

The interior of the GP is just as entertaining and an acquired taste as the outside - certainly unrecognisable to the lesser models despite really just being a change in colour and materials. The Recaro seats are very good and the alcantara is really effective at stopping you from sliding about. Although I think some other models in the Mini range have them, the grey dials are another great touch. The only thing I'm not a fan of is that this generation of Mini is what can only be described as 'disco lighting'. The interior lighting can be adjusted through a range of a dozen different colours and when you open the drivers' door it shows them all off with a little light show. My youngest daughter loves it but it seems totally at odds with the GP ethos! Everything seems very hardwearing with not a single sign of wear after 30k miles. Of course, it was beset by rattles but if you’ve been reading the thread you know I’m well on the way to stamping those out laugh

The GP2 also comes with bespoke special GP2 floor-mats which look… exactly like the cheap-ass ones you can get on eBay. Doh!

EXTERIOR / LOOKS

M5
Monte Carlo Blue Metallic, purposeful.


GP
Grey, black and red with LOTS of stickers, significant rake.


Sounds stupid, but the M5 is an absolute pleasure to clean & detail. The paint is deep, luxurious and pretty hard, standing up incredibly well to the usual trials of bird st, trolley bumps, swirls etc. It seems to stone chip easily however, which is why I went for the bumper respray and PPF. Little things like double door & bonnet rubbers mean that all the door and engine bay shuts stay pristine and dry too. Only downside is that the sheer size means it takes forever to do a proper detail. By the time you get to the back it's time to start again at the front laugh

Looks are clearly subjective but the design is standing the test of time and the lack of overly fussy features should help it age well. I've thought long and hard about a few visual mods (carbon front corner splitters, or the facelift front grills) but it's such a slippery slope and easy to end up with a total tat-wagon.

The Mini is almost the exact opposite. Tiny and quick to clean but the paint is so soft and easily marred and the overload of stickers makes detailing to a good standard a tricky and pretty unrewarding experience. The door, boot and bonnet shuts all fill up with dirty crap and the bonnet scoop serves no other purpose than to trap water which then pisses into the engine bay as soon as you open the bonnet, heading into the nooks and crannies where bolts live that then instantly rust. That said, the quality of the silver paint on the roof is something else.. absolutely outstanding and still like new - someone over-specced that paint at the factory! laugh

Again, looks are subjective but my favourite features of the GP (the wing, diffuser, exhaust and crazy rake angle) really make it shine. I'm not a huge fan of the wheels but with the car being such a limited edition, dicking around with the way it looks seems pretty redundant.

TECH

M5
CIC iDrive, Reversing Camera, Comfort Access, Bluetooth + USB, Soft Close Doors, Professional Navigation, Head Up Display etc etc


GP
Mini Boost CD, Bluetooth Hands Free, DAB… and that’s about it.


My M5 is a ‘Pre-LCI’ car. For non-BMW folk, ‘Pre-LCI’ means it’s a car built before the mid-life facelift that BMW do to each of their cars. Thankfully, the changes between the Pre and Post LCI M5s are pretty limited (Post-LCI gets nicer kidney grills, nicer steering wheel, flashier headlights) but it’s quite hard to see the difference really. However, the one big difference is in the version of iDrive. My ‘Pre-LCI’ car was one of the last ones to be fitted with the older CIC iDrive which was on BMWs between about 2008 and 2013. The ‘Post-LCI’ cars get the 2013+ NBT iDrive which has a touch controller, much faster operation, sweeter graphics and a few more features. That’s not to say that the iDrive on ‘Pre-LCI’ cars is bad, but it’s just not quite as flash as the newer ones. If I’m honest, I’m much more envious of the ‘Post-LCI’ steering wheel than I am the iDrive - I’ve looked at retro-fitting but it’s about £1,100 all-in. Anyway, all the iDrive stuff (iPhone integration, Sat Nav, 40GB music system, DAB etc etc) works pretty damn well.

My car’s also fitted with a few other tech bits that were the bees knees in 2012 but pretty standard today. The reversing camera is pretty standard fare but my car did away with the ‘surround view’ which uses cameras in the front wings to give you a ‘top down’ view when manoeuvring. I’ve never felt like I was missing out until I drove the passes in the Lakes.. would have come in pretty bloody handy then!

The Comfort Access is basically the ability to keep your key in your pocket at all times and lock, unlock etc just by touching the door handles and start via the dash button. First car I’ve had with this system and it works brilliantly - becomes such second nature that I keep forgetting I need the fob for the GP! The only downside is that if you wash the car with the key in your pocket the water and wash-mit can trip the buttons and the doors keep locking and unlocking.

Soft-close doors is one of those features that seem totally pointless until you have it. FINALLY my family no longer slam the bloody car doors when they get out (especially as my drive is at an angle and I like to park rear-first). Now, it seems second nature just to gently close the door and then let the soft-close system finish the job.

Last (but by no means least) the Heads Up Display. This needs to be a standard feature on every car (I know, it’s crazy expensive because it requires a specially laminated windscreen). It makes the old world of dashboard dials seem totally ridiculous and horribly distracting. The M5 lets you see just what you need to (speed, gear, revs, shift-lights, speed limit and sat-nav directions) all on the windscreen in great clarity. It’s the same system as available on the standard 5-Series but with a special ‘M-Mode’ giving the revs and shift-lights. Sounds great, it’s even better in reality.

Thankfully, the previous owner didn’t bother with the myriad of horrible safety systems that were options on the F10. Guff like lane departure warning are totally absent from my car. I see the little row of button-blanks as badges of honour that proudly state “I prefer to pay attention than pay for that nonsense".

After the M5, the tech in the GP feels about 200 years old and completely unfathomable (and I’ve got a technology background). The Bluetooth is a phone prep only so I had to buy a Bluetooth widget to connect to the AUX-IN port to get Bluetooth audio connection to my iPhone 7 (£14 from Amazon and works AT LEAST as well as the system in the M5 - Bargain!). Operating the system is a bewildering mix of nobs, buttons, acronyms and gibberish that I’ve genuinely TRIED to figure out but given up… Now spends 100% of it’s time simply set to either DAB or AUX. That said, anything more would be a total waste of time because the GP also requires you to have total concentration and both hands on the wheel practically all the time - the fascination of a system like iDrive would simply distract you long enough to put the bloody thing in a ditch laugh

One final thing… I know it’s a homage to the old Mini and I know it looks cool but the GIANT SPEEDO in the centre of the car is still totally redundant. In fact, all it does it alert your passenger (or any car behind you) to exactly how fast you’re going! Amazing to think that there’s this huge piece of real-estate used up for a giant dial I literally NEVER look at. Oh well, just another lovable Mini quirk I suppose wink

Side Note: One place where the direct family lineage of M5 and GP shows is in some of the subtle tech.. the time before the doors lock when you drive away is the same, as is the way the ‘3-flash or perm-flash’ indicators work. Those little things make driving two different cars back to back so much less stressful and lets me concentrate on the big stuff like only one of them having a damn clutch pedal laugh

STEERING

M5
ZF M-Servotronic computer-controlled Varioserve hydraulic power assist. 2.6 turns lock-to-lock


GP
Electric power assist. 2.4 turns lock-to-lock


So the M5 steering is a bit of a mouthful! Basically the 'M-Servotronic' bit means it can vary the assistance to allow you to have Comfort, Sport or Sport+ options as well as varying levels of assist based on speed. In practice, this means that Comfort is extremely light at manoeuvring speeds and then quite-light (but natural) most of the rest of the time. Sport and Sport+ are then progressively heavier with Sport being quite a good compromise and Sport+ being rubbish. Sport+ doesn’t feel sporty, it feels broken.

The ‘Varioserve' bit means that the power steering pump uses an offset rotor and can therefore vary the amount of drag put on the engine depending on how much effort is needed to move the steering. Upshot - it allowed the M-cars to keep hydraulic steering (and associate steering ‘feel’) while still getting improved fuel efficiency.

In Comfort and Sport the steering is excellent and gives great feel for such a big car. If I had any complaint it’s that the wheel is a tad too big and the steering is a little bit too slow. I would prefer a quicker steering rack and getting that 2.6 turns lock-to-lock down a bit. The steering on the standard F10 must be pretty ponderous because that’s a full 3 turns.

The Mini is very much the opposite again. Electric not hydraulic with no variability that I can detect and what feels like a crazy quick steering rack. In the GP you can sneeze on the motorway and go across two lanes! In the M5 I’m pretty sure you could get Tasered and barely tickle a cat’s-eye laugh


Edited by MDifficult on Thursday 7th September 16:52

MDifficult

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185 months

Friday 24th November 2017
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Time for another update…

M5
Very little to say to be honest (touches wood) having recently passed it’s MOT with flying colours. The mileage keeps building with no issues to report but it's heading inexorably towards it’s next service (circa 7k miles to go) which I’m pretty certain will include new front discs and pads, plus rear pads and probably all-four tyres too. I’m planning to get a cat-scan to work out which of my kidneys I’m going to sacrifice laugh

I’m continuing to be really impressed by the PPF that was fitted over 10k miles ago now. Still looks absolutely perfect, not a blemish despite countless bug & stone strikes. Absolutely worth the investment so far.

GP
Things have been a lot more interesting/frustrating on the GP side. Back in my early September update I mentioned having the front shocks replaced and all the front bushes etc were fully inspected as part of that diagnosis and were fine. Fast forward 2 months and the GP's MOT threw up that the lower wishbone rear bushes had started leaking furious so MOT fail.



A couple of observations on this: Reading a lot of forums and posts from GP owners, it’s obvious that they’re very hard on their front suspension. The combination of all the weight being over the front (no rear seats), a forward rake, the GP shocks & springs plus typically being driven ‘with vigour’ means some of the weaker parts do tend to give up after 30/40k miles. I just wish the bushes had gone at the same time as the shocks, but such is life.

If you’re not familiar with the Mini R56, the lower wishbone bushes are a cheap part but a real pain to change with most specialists quoting around 4 hours with the subframe off (or at least significantly lowered) and a whole bunch of faff. All the people I spoke to recommended the PowerFlex replacements rather than OEM, both for the longevity but also improved feel. As luck would have it, I’d already got the Mini booked in at Mulgari to be treated to some Akropovic goodness:



On top of this, I’d also picked up a Poweflex lower engine mount insert which is one of the most recommended mods for the R56 that I planned to fit myself. But, with Mulgari about to get their grubby mits on the Mini it was the ideal opportunity to get everything done at once. Downpipe, Engine mount insert and wishbone bushes:





Net result is that the following weekend I picked up a thoroughly re-fettled GP, with the ‘must have’ mods that make it better-than-perfect. The down-pipe is a nice compromise and combines really well with the existing GP exhaust - deep, rumbly and with a great note at full chat. In sport mode it’s taken the crackles and pops to a whole new level laugh

With new shocks, bushes and the engine mount everything feels tight as a drum, not crashy or noisy but just beautifully 'tight'. I would definitely recommend the mount most of all, it transforms the clutch action from pull away and even the gearbox feels tighter.

Thanks to the work (and the new MOT) it’s been a total pleasure to drive:



One last thing - while visiting Mulgari I got a much closer look at their Mini ICON02 project cars. My shots all came out looking like cack so I’ve borrowed this artful one from their website. It looks even better in the flesh and (finally) someone's made a F-seried Mini I actually fancy!



That’s all for now

mikeyb1987

2,356 posts

154 months

Friday 24th November 2017
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Fantastic updates as usual smile

Please can you post a link to the 'decent' sidelights you bought from eBay? I've bought some but despite being advertised as white, they're more blue rolleyes

MDifficult

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Friday 24th November 2017
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mikeyb1987 said:
Fantastic updates as usual smile

Please can you post a link to the 'decent' sidelights you bought from eBay? I've bought some but despite being advertised as white, they're more blue rolleyes
Thanks!

These are the exact ones I bought. Silly price for LEDs but by the time you've bought umpteen sets of 'white' that turn out to be 'chav blue' they're worth every penny wink

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/501-W5W-17-Samsung-3623-...

BenLowden

6,021 posts

177 months

PH Marketing Bloke

Friday 24th November 2017
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Excellent stuff! Sorry to see you've had a few issues, but it's great to see the GP is in such good hands and you're doing things properly. Bet it sounds great with the downpipe too!

MDifficult

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Friday 24th November 2017
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BenLowden said:
Excellent stuff! Sorry to see you've had a few issues, but it's great to see the GP is in such good hands and you're doing things properly. Bet it sounds great with the downpipe too!
Hey Ben, don't worry... I don't hold you personally responsible laugh

TBH, all the issues are common GP stuff. Other than that, it's still a peach and seems to be holding it's value like a rock. Bad news for you when you inevitably buy it back thumbup

BenLowden

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177 months

PH Marketing Bloke

Friday 24th November 2017
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Haha tell me about it. I could have put 20k miles on it and still sold it for what I paid for it last year if I was selling now! You win some you lose some. I've put 10,000 miles on my Megane in the last six months and it has been an absolute blast, although I do still miss the GP.

MDifficult

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Friday 24th November 2017
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BenLowden said:
Haha tell me about it. I could have put 20k miles on it and still sold it for what I paid for it last year if I was selling now! You win some you lose some. I've put 10,000 miles on my Megane in the last six months and it has been an absolute blast, although I do still miss the GP.
Glad you're enjoying it! I doubt you'd have enjoyed those same miles as much in the GP because you can't help but think of it as an investment as well as fun car. I've done about 4k miles in it so far which keeps it in regular use but not so much that I worry about it.

steve-5snwi

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93 months

Friday 24th November 2017
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I do like the little GPs, the M5's a very nice too, very quick but very comfortable, I've sold two in a previous job, one silverstone blue and a white one, one of them had the white interior, in fact one of my favorites was a 335i whith white merino leather and individual paint that was almost bronze/black with adaptive LEDs....

Anyway, yes the lower arm insert is worth it, the jerking from the transmission just disappears. I'd never realised though, the GP knee roll is only on the passenger side and not to the left of the steering wheel. My OCD wouldn't cope with that.

MDifficult

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Saturday 25th November 2017
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steve-5snwi said:
Anyway, yes the lower arm insert is worth it, the jerking from the transmission just disappears.
It’s made a big difference, amazing for such a tiny outlay.

steve-5snwi said:
I’d never realised though, the GP knee roll is only on the passenger side and not to the left of the steering wheel. My OCD wouldn't cope with that.
Not sure I understood this? I’m really puzzled - been back to the car to have another look but can’t see what you’re referring to?

EDIT: Ah, I’ve figured it out, you mean the leather and red stitching at the top of the glovebox! You’re right, it doesn’t follow on behind the steering wheel. Never noticed it before (probably always will now!). Guess it’s because it’s a moulded bit of the dash rather than the easy-swappable glovebox.

Edited by MDifficult on Saturday 25th November 10:14

spikedjack

118 posts

92 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
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Great thread, will keep an eye on this!

i have an inclination to try an F10 M5 at some point, maybe when depreciation has bottomed out somewhat

MDifficult

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Saturday 25th November 2017
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spikedjack said:
Great thread, will keep an eye on this!

i have an inclination to try an F10 M5 at some point, maybe when depreciation has bottomed out somewhat
Cheers Jack, thanks. As you can probably tell, I heartily recommend that you do!