600bhp 1 Series
Discussion
Mr911lover said:
Really enjoyable read and love the mods.
I would expect those times to be a bit quicker, is it a case of the BM software not making the most of the turbo? A well sorted stage 2 m140i on a stock turbo should be doing high 7's 100-200
Pretty much exactly that, the turbo isn’t really being utilised at the moment as it’s a stage 2+ OTS map.I would expect those times to be a bit quicker, is it a case of the BM software not making the most of the turbo? A well sorted stage 2 m140i on a stock turbo should be doing high 7's 100-200
High 7’s is a little optimistic for pump fuel on a stage 2 map, having run both mine and a few of my pals cars, however it’s fairly common for people to Chuck a bit of Ethanol in and claim a “great stage 2 time” if you see what I mean.
D4MJT said:
So..... an update.
Well, the car is on 58k miles now. No issues at all. The warranty is out in 15 days, obviously I've already previously taken my chances by adding a tuning box etc, however I won't be going for the extended warranty as obviously I've already tuned the car and intend to keep doing so, so it's pointless. I have used the warranty to replace a steering wheel that was wearing rapidly and a rear light cluster that let in moisture. Bar that the car has been faultless for 3years and 58K miles.... almost.
Recently I had a major service come up. For reasons I don't need to go into I had an issue with the supplying dealer, so I chose a BMW approved local specialist for the job. Low and behold on removing the oil filter it disintegrated into the housing. I had the car recovered to BMW as it is a known issue with the 40i engine. Warranty job. They then attempted to charge me for the oil as it wouldn't have been required otherwise, but wouldn't update the service history as the car hadn't had "the pollen filter" changed. I asked for a price for the £35 pollen filter, amazingly it was £125 as it's a tricky job. If you have YouTube, it appears to be a 5 minute job under the glovebox with a torx fitting, or at least it was when I did it. In a further twist, despite the PUMA job on BMW's system (I have a pal who is a tech) explaining that the oil filter housing must be replaced incase any debris has entered) they decided to just fit a new filter. When I queried them on this, they explained that the PUMA was just for if the original filter had disintegrated, but as my car had apparently been serviced 3 times and the filter "had been changed" it wasn't applicable. Wow.
Needless to say I took the car home and changed the oil myself.
Great cars, appalling dealerships. I obviously can't name names but this one was near the Tyne Tunnel.
Anyway...
Up first in the mod category was an induction pipe from Williams Performance:
After that I decided more power was in order, handily one of my good pal's had got into tuning B58's, so we decided to go (at the time) all out.
ITG Pro Filter, Z4 TU / Supra Spark Plugs, 4.5" decat downpipe:
Here she was getting the downpipe installed:
Then I was able to flash my chosen map myself easily with an OBD Ethernet cable:
We then went out and did a few datalogging pulls to make sure all was good and timing corrections seemed alright:
What a monster. Honestly it was fast with the JB+ box on it, but it is a different car with a Stage 2 99RON BM3 Map on it. Allegedly it should be around 460-480bhp but the mid range torque now is just obscene.
Asides from that, it's now done around 8K miles mapped properly and it's never missed a beat, already had another oil change, no issues there thankfully.
I tried cleaning the steering wheel with a non acetone nail polish remover that a PHer recommended. Wow. Admittedly I added AG Leather Care Balm afterwards, but this wheel (my 2nd) has 40k ish miles on it now...
I recently decided to have a change from the 640D tailpipes and reinstalled the chrome M Performance trims, not sure about them yet:
Apart from that, I love that bar the twin exhausts it's hard to distinguish from a regular 116D M Sport:
And apart from that, the ride height has settled and I think it looks perfect!
The next wave of mods are front and rear C-Hook discs and decent pads, and a B58TU High Pressure Fuel Pump, which will allow me to run the Stage 2+ BM3 Map and around 540bhp at the crank.
It's just a brilliant, brilliant bit of kit.
Oo can you tell me more on cleaning the steering wheel, my wife's gtd looks like she eats McDonald's in it everyday (she doesn't) after 40k.Well, the car is on 58k miles now. No issues at all. The warranty is out in 15 days, obviously I've already previously taken my chances by adding a tuning box etc, however I won't be going for the extended warranty as obviously I've already tuned the car and intend to keep doing so, so it's pointless. I have used the warranty to replace a steering wheel that was wearing rapidly and a rear light cluster that let in moisture. Bar that the car has been faultless for 3years and 58K miles.... almost.
Recently I had a major service come up. For reasons I don't need to go into I had an issue with the supplying dealer, so I chose a BMW approved local specialist for the job. Low and behold on removing the oil filter it disintegrated into the housing. I had the car recovered to BMW as it is a known issue with the 40i engine. Warranty job. They then attempted to charge me for the oil as it wouldn't have been required otherwise, but wouldn't update the service history as the car hadn't had "the pollen filter" changed. I asked for a price for the £35 pollen filter, amazingly it was £125 as it's a tricky job. If you have YouTube, it appears to be a 5 minute job under the glovebox with a torx fitting, or at least it was when I did it. In a further twist, despite the PUMA job on BMW's system (I have a pal who is a tech) explaining that the oil filter housing must be replaced incase any debris has entered) they decided to just fit a new filter. When I queried them on this, they explained that the PUMA was just for if the original filter had disintegrated, but as my car had apparently been serviced 3 times and the filter "had been changed" it wasn't applicable. Wow.
Needless to say I took the car home and changed the oil myself.
Great cars, appalling dealerships. I obviously can't name names but this one was near the Tyne Tunnel.
Anyway...
Up first in the mod category was an induction pipe from Williams Performance:
After that I decided more power was in order, handily one of my good pal's had got into tuning B58's, so we decided to go (at the time) all out.
ITG Pro Filter, Z4 TU / Supra Spark Plugs, 4.5" decat downpipe:
Here she was getting the downpipe installed:
Then I was able to flash my chosen map myself easily with an OBD Ethernet cable:
We then went out and did a few datalogging pulls to make sure all was good and timing corrections seemed alright:
What a monster. Honestly it was fast with the JB+ box on it, but it is a different car with a Stage 2 99RON BM3 Map on it. Allegedly it should be around 460-480bhp but the mid range torque now is just obscene.
Asides from that, it's now done around 8K miles mapped properly and it's never missed a beat, already had another oil change, no issues there thankfully.
I tried cleaning the steering wheel with a non acetone nail polish remover that a PHer recommended. Wow. Admittedly I added AG Leather Care Balm afterwards, but this wheel (my 2nd) has 40k ish miles on it now...
I recently decided to have a change from the 640D tailpipes and reinstalled the chrome M Performance trims, not sure about them yet:
Apart from that, I love that bar the twin exhausts it's hard to distinguish from a regular 116D M Sport:
And apart from that, the ride height has settled and I think it looks perfect!
The next wave of mods are front and rear C-Hook discs and decent pads, and a B58TU High Pressure Fuel Pump, which will allow me to run the Stage 2+ BM3 Map and around 540bhp at the crank.
It's just a brilliant, brilliant bit of kit.
Edited by D4MJT on Wednesday 22 April 19:47
Edited by D4MJT on Thursday 23 April 07:33
D4MJT said:
AW8 said:
I have seen the comments re state of oil filter....I can understand why this may have been concerning.
Allegedly....Some allege that some dealerships give bonuses or incentives to some technicians if they complete a service or other work under the allocated book time. Allegedly some might say that some staff allegedly might be motivated to cut corners to reduce the amount of time booked.
I have no idea if these allegations are true & thus have to assume all dealerships do a fine job !
I appreciate I may have been over tactful with the wording............"allegedly"
Great car & interesting performance mods.............thanks to OP for updates.
Allegedly, that wouldn't suprise me in the slightest.Allegedly....Some allege that some dealerships give bonuses or incentives to some technicians if they complete a service or other work under the allocated book time. Allegedly some might say that some staff allegedly might be motivated to cut corners to reduce the amount of time booked.
I have no idea if these allegations are true & thus have to assume all dealerships do a fine job !
I appreciate I may have been over tactful with the wording............"allegedly"
Great car & interesting performance mods.............thanks to OP for updates.
Now that I'm out of warranty I'm doing all the maintenance on the car myself.
D4MJT said:
Pretty much exactly that, the turbo isn’t really being utilised at the moment as it’s a stage 2+ OTS map.
High 7’s is a little optimistic for pump fuel on a stage 2 map, having run both mine and a few of my pals cars, however it’s fairly common for people to Chuck a bit of Ethanol in and claim a “great stage 2 time” if you see what I mean.
I'm just going off my friends time's (MHD stage 2 and XHP) running 8.2 in this heat and with 1/2 a tank of fuel. Better temps and less fuel it should dip in to the 7's no problem on 99 ron.High 7’s is a little optimistic for pump fuel on a stage 2 map, having run both mine and a few of my pals cars, however it’s fairly common for people to Chuck a bit of Ethanol in and claim a “great stage 2 time” if you see what I mean.
Mr911lover said:
I'm just going off my friends time's (MHD stage 2 and XHP) running 8.2 in this heat and with 1/2 a tank of fuel. Better temps and less fuel it should dip in to the 7's no problem on 99 ron.
Personally I don't see that happening, I'm absolutely not trying to throw any shade on your mate's car at all, my reasoning is this.The IAT's will make a little bit of difference but not much unless you're running on like a 1-2 degree day, in which case you'll have issues with traction you wouldn't have on a warmer road. The difference in power output between the IAT's at say 28c and 14-15c are fairly negligible really, I was getting 40-45c on my last dyno pulls and it was only 3-4bhp difference than the first cool pulls of the day.
Secondly even if you ran on 1/4 of a tank, I wouldn't advise much lower than that as if the rail pressure drops the car will go into limp mode and throw a drivetrain fault, happens from time to time on the owners forum, but even if you ran at 1/4, that's only say 13 or 14 litres less, which is about 10kg of weight.
I honestly don't think either of those variables will add up to 3 or 4 tenths of a second off the time, maybe 1 tenth really.
My Stage 2 map with the stock turbo and no xHP ran an 8.4 on Dragy, so 8.2 with xHP sounds like a decent quick time for a Stage 2 car to me.
Also remember my car is only on a Stage2+ map, so it isn't actually running a specific custom map to take advantage of the turbo yet. So a 7.3 Dragy time seems quick enough and pretty realistic to me.
Hope that all makes sense!
Edited to add:
Chuck an E30 mix in the tank and switch to a Stage 2 E30 map and you'll easily see a high 7 time on a stock turbo, straight away.
Court_S said:
Some fairly serious mods there, bet it feels pretty pokey now! 
I’ve bought a few bits from Williams recently and have been thinking about his intake hose. Does it just add some extra sound by getting rid of the box?
Thanks, yeah it does. It's felt much faster every time I've done a round of mods, but I've gotten used to them fairly quickly.I’ve bought a few bits from Williams recently and have been thinking about his intake hose. Does it just add some extra sound by getting rid of the box?
It's been about 3 months now, and it still makes me laugh when I give it a good prod, which is a good sign I think. It's definitely what I'd class as a fast car now, in my book anyway.
Court_S said:
Some fairly serious mods there, bet it feels pretty pokey now!
I’ve bought a few bits from Williams recently and have been thinking about his intake hose. Does it just add some extra sound by getting rid of the box?
Basically that's the gist of it yeah. It's a weird one as it made a really noticable difference on my car, but not as much of a difference on Williams own car. If you want to drop me an email with your phone number, I'll WhatsApp you a few video's of the induction sound on mine, when it was stock turbo, WP intake hose and an ITG filter. Give you an idea what to expect.I’ve bought a few bits from Williams recently and have been thinking about his intake hose. Does it just add some extra sound by getting rid of the box?
AW8 said:
I have seen the comments re state of oil filter....I can understand why this may have been concerning.
Allegedly....Some allege that some dealerships give bonuses or incentives to some technicians if they complete a service or other work under the allocated book time. Allegedly some might say that some staff allegedly might be motivated to cut corners to reduce the amount of time booked.
I have no idea if these allegations are true & thus have to assume all dealerships do a fine job !
I appreciate I may have been over tactful with the wording............"allegedly"
Great car & interesting performance mods.............thanks to OP for updates.
To add to that, BMW's reasoning for not replacing the oil filter housing ("which is to be replaced with the oil filter breaks down during removal at first service" - PUMA) was that this was my car's 3rd service.Allegedly....Some allege that some dealerships give bonuses or incentives to some technicians if they complete a service or other work under the allocated book time. Allegedly some might say that some staff allegedly might be motivated to cut corners to reduce the amount of time booked.
I have no idea if these allegations are true & thus have to assume all dealerships do a fine job !
I appreciate I may have been over tactful with the wording............"allegedly"
Great car & interesting performance mods.............thanks to OP for updates.
To me there are only 2 outcomes to that. Either the revised filter suffers with the same issues... in which case surely the PUMA still applies, or...
maybe it's the first oil filter in there still, as it's a pain to get at. The car's had 3 services at BMW main dealers though...
Read into that what you will, either way it's absolutely lousy on BMW's behalf.
D4MJT said:
Court_S said:
Some fairly serious mods there, bet it feels pretty pokey now!
I’ve bought a few bits from Williams recently and have been thinking about his intake hose. Does it just add some extra sound by getting rid of the box?
Basically that's the gist of it yeah. It's a weird one as it made a really noticable difference on my car, but not as much of a difference on Williams own car. If you want to drop me an email with your phone number, I'll WhatsApp you a few video's of the induction sound on mine, when it was stock turbo, WP intake hose and an ITG filter. Give you an idea what to expect.I’ve bought a few bits from Williams recently and have been thinking about his intake hose. Does it just add some extra sound by getting rid of the box?
D4MJT said:
Personally I don't see that happening, I'm absolutely not trying to throw any shade on your mate's car at all, my reasoning is this.
The IAT's will make a little bit of difference but not much unless you're running on like a 1-2 degree day, in which case you'll have issues with traction you wouldn't have on a warmer road. The difference in power output between the IAT's at say 28c and 14-15c are fairly negligible really, I was getting 40-45c on my last dyno pulls and it was only 3-4bhp difference than the first cool pulls of the day.
Secondly even if you ran on 1/4 of a tank, I wouldn't advise much lower than that as if the rail pressure drops the car will go into limp mode and throw a drivetrain fault, happens from time to time on the owners forum, but even if you ran at 1/4, that's only say 13 or 14 litres less, which is about 10kg of weight.
I honestly don't think either of those variables will add up to 3 or 4 tenths of a second off the time, maybe 1 tenth really.
My Stage 2 map with the stock turbo and no xHP ran an 8.4 on Dragy, so 8.2 with xHP sounds like a decent quick time for a Stage 2 car to me.
Also remember my car is only on a Stage2+ map, so it isn't actually running a specific custom map to take advantage of the turbo yet. So a 7.3 Dragy time seems quick enough and pretty realistic to me.
Hope that all makes sense!
Edited to add:
Chuck an E30 mix in the tank and switch to a Stage 2 E30 map and you'll easily see a high 7 time on a stock turbo, straight away.
I will report back with some better times The IAT's will make a little bit of difference but not much unless you're running on like a 1-2 degree day, in which case you'll have issues with traction you wouldn't have on a warmer road. The difference in power output between the IAT's at say 28c and 14-15c are fairly negligible really, I was getting 40-45c on my last dyno pulls and it was only 3-4bhp difference than the first cool pulls of the day.
Secondly even if you ran on 1/4 of a tank, I wouldn't advise much lower than that as if the rail pressure drops the car will go into limp mode and throw a drivetrain fault, happens from time to time on the owners forum, but even if you ran at 1/4, that's only say 13 or 14 litres less, which is about 10kg of weight.
I honestly don't think either of those variables will add up to 3 or 4 tenths of a second off the time, maybe 1 tenth really.
My Stage 2 map with the stock turbo and no xHP ran an 8.4 on Dragy, so 8.2 with xHP sounds like a decent quick time for a Stage 2 car to me.
Also remember my car is only on a Stage2+ map, so it isn't actually running a specific custom map to take advantage of the turbo yet. So a 7.3 Dragy time seems quick enough and pretty realistic to me.
Hope that all makes sense!
Edited to add:
Chuck an E30 mix in the tank and switch to a Stage 2 E30 map and you'll easily see a high 7 time on a stock turbo, straight away.
I'm a bit of a dragy fiend and fuel levels and temps play a huge part. Winter vs Summer times will easily vary by up to 3 or 4 tenths. I also know of a Custom tuned (Unicorn) m140 running high 7's 100-200 on the stock turbo and 99 ron.Hope this hasn't come across as an argumentative post it's just something I have an interest in, I recon with a few attempts and the right conditions your car may surprise you with just how quick it is.
Mr911lover said:
I will report back with some better times I'm a bit of a dragy fiend and fuel levels and temps play a huge part. Winter vs Summer times will easily vary by up to 3 or 4 tenths. I also know of a Custom tuned (Unicorn) m140 running high 7's 100-200 on the stock turbo and 99 ron.
Hope this hasn't come across as an argumentative post it's just something I have an interest in, I recon with a few attempts and the right conditions your car may surprise you with just how quick it is.
Absolutely mate, look forward to it! Haven’t taken it as argumentative at all, I’m all for a bit of research and development haha! I'm a bit of a dragy fiend and fuel levels and temps play a huge part. Winter vs Summer times will easily vary by up to 3 or 4 tenths. I also know of a Custom tuned (Unicorn) m140 running high 7's 100-200 on the stock turbo and 99 ron.Hope this hasn't come across as an argumentative post it's just something I have an interest in, I recon with a few attempts and the right conditions your car may surprise you with just how quick it is.
I’ve got a Dragy so when the weather picks up a bit I’ll get out for some more runs, with less fuel!
R182 said:
I’m so glad I found this thread while tying to work out what length of timber you can fit in an M140i. At 2400 mm you must have had it resting on the dash!
I’m going to enjoy reading from the beginning!
Haha, handy useless info! Glad it helped I’m going to enjoy reading from the beginning!
It was indeed right up on the dash, I just chucked some sheets and a towel over the dash and centre armrest.
No mods on mine, but in the spirit of 'do it all daily' I'm currently really enjoying using my 140 on Exmoor. A combination of narrow roads, lots of hills and lots of twisty bits with lots of NSL = huge amounts of fun The car is handling all of it with ease, even on damp roads with worn MPSSs. It really is a very good 'small' GT.
The car is handling all of it with ease, even on damp roads with worn MPSSs. It really is a very good 'small' GT.rasto said:
No mods on mine, but in the spirit of 'do it all daily' I'm currently really enjoying using my 140 on Exmoor. A combination of narrow roads, lots of hills and lots of twisty bits with lots of NSL = huge amounts of fun The car is handling all of it with ease, even on damp roads with worn MPSSs. It really is a very good 'small' GT.
Glad to hear it. They really are a phenomenal car for the money. Out of the box they’re cracking but the scope for modification is mental for what’s effectively the entry level BM hatchback. The car is handling all of it with ease, even on damp roads with worn MPSSs. It really is a very good 'small' GT.Gassing Station | Readers' Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff