Porsche 997 AWD V8 Turbo
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sinbaddio said:
What a cracking build. Reminds me a little of the Fast n Loud two episodes where Arron put an LS in a shot 996 and raced Richard in (I think) a brand new 991 Turbo S. Clip below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZyzIdQsj_A
Great job OP!
It was a LS3 996 up against a new 991 Turbo I think with ours being over 600 bhp Turbo LS3 AWD we will not struggle to show a different outcome.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZyzIdQsj_A
Great job OP!
blade7 said:
A quick look on ebay seems to show crate engines for £7-8k...
Lots of expensive engines on E bay look at PartsWorld Performance, based in Cannock brand new crated engines at good prices. I buy all my engines from them. My first ever engine was of E bay purchase and was then give to a so call expert who was in fact a real cowboy. Now I take all LS work to Dyno Torque but have also heard good things from Top Cats. Couple of things to consider when looking at the Porsche Ls conversion. The LS3 and LS7 are aluminium engines with Aluminium Blocks and heads. If you look at the LSx its a great engine but it has a Cast Iron block and aluminium heads. The supercharge LS crated engines from Parts World Performance don't fit in the 997.
Edited by DT8R on Thursday 18th May 10:05
Edited by DT8R on Thursday 18th May 10:19
croyde said:
Love this.
A workmate of mine is building an old BMW Z3 with an LS engine.
I was toying with the idea of a Z4 because the Z3 platform is a bit pants. Z4 is based on E46 but Z3 is based on E36. My E46 LS1 handles it easily. Sad news as I may have a buying coming to buy mine tomorrow. If it sells I'll miss the brute. Maybe then its time for an LS based Porsche.A workmate of mine is building an old BMW Z3 with an LS engine.
DT8R said:
I always keep an eye on Ebay but also talk to the used Porsche specialist that's how I got mine. Mine was unloved but had such I high spec and was a lovely car just had not been looked after. The engine would have cost me 10k to rebuild back to standard spec and had other small problems that would have taken it to over 12K. But after spending under 15k on the LS3 turbo I have a lot more power and everything is brand new including air con unit.
Here another financial benefit, if you needed one to build this car. If the engine in your project car isn't broken it has a real value some times 4 to 6k if healthy and if repairable £1500 to £2000. You can also sell all the ancillaries as you will not need them. This really help the bottom line of your project so keep that in mind.
I'd been casually looking too, but never really found anything that cheap !Here another financial benefit, if you needed one to build this car. If the engine in your project car isn't broken it has a real value some times 4 to 6k if healthy and if repairable £1500 to £2000. You can also sell all the ancillaries as you will not need them. This really help the bottom line of your project so keep that in mind.
Edited by DT8R on Saturday 13th May 11:34
Something like this would make an ideal conversion, I wouldnt even be fussy whether 2wd or 4wd, although I believe the turbo cars have much stronger transmissions...which would be essential unless they too can be bought at sensible money
stevieturbo said:
I'd been casually looking too, but never really found anything that cheap !
Something like this would make an ideal conversion, I wouldnt even be fussy whether 2wd or 4wd, although I believe the turbo cars have much stronger transmissions...which would be essential unless they too can be bought at sensible money
I have done the research and you don't need the Turbo as long as you keep the power sensible. Ultima use these boxes up to 700bhp and over 700bhp they use the turbo box so as you can see its not an issue. In the states lots of C2 with Ls3 conversions but I don't think there are any C4's. I will keep posting as mine has 600bhp and hoping that will be OK.Something like this would make an ideal conversion, I wouldnt even be fussy whether 2wd or 4wd, although I believe the turbo cars have much stronger transmissions...which would be essential unless they too can be bought at sensible money
ATM said:
croyde said:
Love this.
A workmate of mine is building an old BMW Z3 with an LS engine.
I was toying with the idea of a Z4 because the Z3 platform is a bit pants. Z4 is based on E46 but Z3 is based on E36. My E46 LS1 handles it easily. Sad news as I may have a buying coming to buy mine tomorrow. If it sells I'll miss the brute. Maybe then its time for an LS based Porsche.A workmate of mine is building an old BMW Z3 with an LS engine.
I left and handed my Petrolhead card in on the way out
J4CKO said:
Are the crate engines pretty much a standalone engine, i.e. they come with ECO and all they need, so you could add a fuel supply and fire it up without anything else ?
What are they like to integrate with the recipient cars electronics ?
The engine are basic with the standard injection system and you will need to by ancillaries kit which Parts World Performance supply. You will need basic wiring. Most modern cars us CANBUS system so its electronic control units that communicate with applications within the car. You can us this to get the LS3 to communicate with the Porsche and use a lot of existing systems and gauges. By giving the car to Emerald before we started work they were able to identify the Canbus systems signals. If you us someone suggest doing the same but why re-invent the wheel.What are they like to integrate with the recipient cars electronics ?
croyde said:
Love this.
A workmate of mine is building an old BMW Z3 with an LS engine.
CroydeA workmate of mine is building an old BMW Z3 with an LS engine.
Dyno Torque have done a number of Z3, and recently a E46 M3 with a LS3 great job Ash Borrows is the owner and is a PHer. But currently well worth a look is the new Z4 they are doing for Lee at VAD. Its stunning and well worth investigation.
When building your Porsche one major fact needs to be considered. The 996 is a lot easer to build than the 997 because most modern cars us a Canbus system. What is a Controller Area Network (CAN, also known as CAN Bus).
Its Automotive Controller Area Network System (Canbus) is a vehicle bus standard designed to allow electronic control units and devices to communicate with each other in applications without a host computer. As an alternative to conventional multi-wire looms, CAN Bus allows various electronic components (such as: electronic control units, microcontrollers, devices, sensors, actuators and other electronic components throughout the vehicle) to communicate on a single or dual-wire network data bus up to 1 Mb/s.
Why is this important because it must not be underestimated the work that is required. The building of the car is strait forward enough for very skilled hands. But the development of the CanBus is a detailed bit of work that must not be underestimated. Dyno Torque understand this and it must be the one part of the build to needs close consideration. One of the most challenging parts of this build was understand what everything does. Dyno Torque look to replicate as much of the existing signals and understand what to do with the redundant ones is part of the detail that Dyno Torque provide.
The end result is a car instrument system that looks completely normal and lots of the primary systems continue to work as normal. This is an big achievement when you consider the engine is no longer a Porsche 3.6 but an american LS3 6.2 litre V8. Yet everything works as it should.
Its Automotive Controller Area Network System (Canbus) is a vehicle bus standard designed to allow electronic control units and devices to communicate with each other in applications without a host computer. As an alternative to conventional multi-wire looms, CAN Bus allows various electronic components (such as: electronic control units, microcontrollers, devices, sensors, actuators and other electronic components throughout the vehicle) to communicate on a single or dual-wire network data bus up to 1 Mb/s.
Why is this important because it must not be underestimated the work that is required. The building of the car is strait forward enough for very skilled hands. But the development of the CanBus is a detailed bit of work that must not be underestimated. Dyno Torque understand this and it must be the one part of the build to needs close consideration. One of the most challenging parts of this build was understand what everything does. Dyno Torque look to replicate as much of the existing signals and understand what to do with the redundant ones is part of the detail that Dyno Torque provide.
The end result is a car instrument system that looks completely normal and lots of the primary systems continue to work as normal. This is an big achievement when you consider the engine is no longer a Porsche 3.6 but an american LS3 6.2 litre V8. Yet everything works as it should.
DT8R said:
Why is this important because it must not be underestimated the work that is required. The building of the car is strait forward enough for very skilled hands. But the development of the CanBus is a detailed bit of work that must not be underestimated. Dyno Torque understand this and it must be the one part of the build to needs close consideration. One of the most challenging parts of this build was understand what everything does. Dyno Torque look to replicate as much of the existing signals and understand what to do with the redundant ones is part of the detail that Dyno Torque provide.
Apologies... I may have overlooked it, but which company would you recommend to undertake this project?Seek said:
DT8R said:
Why is this important because it must not be underestimated the work that is required. The building of the car is strait forward enough for very skilled hands. But the development of the CanBus is a detailed bit of work that must not be underestimated. Dyno Torque understand this and it must be the one part of the build to needs close consideration. One of the most challenging parts of this build was understand what everything does. Dyno Torque look to replicate as much of the existing signals and understand what to do with the redundant ones is part of the detail that Dyno Torque provide.
Apologies... I may have overlooked it, but which company would you recommend to undertake this project?
Seek said:
DT8R said:
Why is this important because it must not be underestimated the work that is required. The building of the car is strait forward enough for very skilled hands. But the development of the CanBus is a detailed bit of work that must not be underestimated. Dyno Torque understand this and it must be the one part of the build to needs close consideration. One of the most challenging parts of this build was understand what everything does. Dyno Torque look to replicate as much of the existing signals and understand what to do with the redundant ones is part of the detail that Dyno Torque provide.
Apologies... I may have overlooked it, but which company would you recommend to undertake this project?
:Truth is there are other companies that could provide this service but at what price I have no idea. The company I use I have used for a number of projects and Craig has never let me down. His organisation is not flash but the quality is first class.
DT8R said:
Seek said:
DT8R said:
Why is this important because it must not be underestimated the work that is required. The building of the car is strait forward enough for very skilled hands. But the development of the CanBus is a detailed bit of work that must not be underestimated. Dyno Torque understand this and it must be the one part of the build to needs close consideration. One of the most challenging parts of this build was understand what everything does. Dyno Torque look to replicate as much of the existing signals and understand what to do with the redundant ones is part of the detail that Dyno Torque provide.
Apologies... I may have overlooked it, but which company would you recommend to undertake this project?:Truth is there are other companies that could provide this service but at what price I have no idea. The company I use I have used for a number of projects and Craig has never let me down. His organisation is not flash but the quality is first class.
J4CKO said:
Would love to work in this area, work in IT and love cars, would be perfect, wonder how you get into that line of work ?
Could try somewhere like here EMA Academy I guess?Otherwise something like the old Apexi PFCs are relatively simple to work on I think, only issue is the cost of all the engines you blow up while learning by trial and error I guess ??
J4CKO said:
Would love to work in this area, work in IT and love cars, would be perfect, wonder how you get into that line of work ?
Jacko, Its alone an idea but maybe speak to the company like Top Cats, Dyno Torque or some big players like Prodrive- motorsport who actively recreate. They maybe able to point you in a direction that could be very positive.Gassing Station | Readers' Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff