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1967 Mustang Fastback - V8 content

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V8_Fastback

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1,154 posts

193 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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Long one, so you can skim the essay, to make it easy I'll post the pics and basic info mostly on the next post!


I've had the car some time now, around 6 months or so, but unfortunately it's been off the road for a little longer than I had planned - more on that in a minute....


I was looking for something fun to drive and tinker with. I've now been living in Dubai for 4.5 years now I've been driving a relatively dull (but very practicable) daily.
Back in the UK I've always liked to have something a bit different, fun to drive but mostly a project that I can work on myself - the time had come to get something else!

My search criteria varied wildly really, going from classics to moderns. I looked seriously at an Aston V8 vantage and a Lotus Exige 260 Cup.
The right Vantage never came up - I was specifically looking for a manual. It also is hard to find cars that have not been totally abused and neglected out here it seems.

The Exige I test drove was lovely, but it's very wasted on these roads in my opinion. Dubai is wide motorways, straight roads, speedbumps and speed cameras everywhere. There are some great roads about 1.5-2 hour drive from the city, up in the mountains though - and for these the Exige is perfect.
The drive there in the lotus on the other hand would be a bit of a chore.

Anyway - I had been visiting a nearby petrolheads cafe for a number of years - since it opened. A bikers cafe where they build cafe racer style bikes in the coffee shop/warehouse. It's great.

Well for the first couple of years this mustang was owned by the cafe, and was in the centre of the cafe as a kind of display piece. I've always had a soft spot for the '67/68 fastbacks and would often go to the cafe and check it out.
Every time I asked the same answer always came back - it wasn't and wouldn't be up for sale.

I was often checking the classifieds and eBay overseas. For a few years previous, I had a plan to buy a classic American pony/muscle car and incorporate a road trip across the US before shipping it back to Dubai.
Ideally a '67 camaro, but looked at other options including fastbacks.
It seemed even in the US the prices of the nice cars were quickly firming up - then factor in shipping and the quite challenging registration process involved here.

Well, one day searching the local classifieds for classics in Dubai, I just so happened to spot the cafe rider fastback. It had been put up on the classifieds the day before, and for what I suppose was a 'reasonable' price.
I went to view the car, and although it's perfectly presentable, it needed a bit of a tidy up - an interior refresh wouldn't go amiss and some paint/panel work.
The car hadn't been used much at all in the last few years, in the winter months it was left outside the cafe to draw attention... it gets very hot and very dusty/dry, not doing wonders to seals/rubber/etc.

There was a fair bit of interest in terms of other buyers for this Fastback as these cars are very rare in the UAE. Coupes are a bit more common, but I've only ever seen one other fastback on the roads here.
I worked out a deal and the car was mine.

So I drove the Fastback for a while - giving it a shake down and discovering what needed doing. A couple of quick initial fixes - on inspection of the gear linkage - liberal use of WD40 in the linkages to flush out the years of gunk mixed with sand made for a much more direct gear change.
The rich running was addressed - or so I thought.
After a couple weeks or so I started developing blue-ish puff or smoke when shifting up the gears at high revs. I first thought this was down to worn/dried out valve stem seals seeping.

But of course the problem got progressively worse.

I decided to get the engine looked at by one of the very few people here I found and trusted to do engine work.
The downside is this guy is very much in high demand and has plenty of race car/prep projects. My car would have to wait some time for the work to begin.

Eventually the strip down revealed the rich running/overfuelling had washed the bores allowing oil to pass the rings and burn off.
So the bores were honed. Also the valves/springs were replaced, new rings and bottom end rebuild. Components were cleaned up, the block was tidied, skimmed and rebuilt, new clutch and flywheel too. And a fresh lick of paint.

As a side note - the beauty of the mustang is so many aftermarket parts are available for very good value in the US. However, it's not easy or particularly cheap to order/ship parts over to Dubai!

Other items addressed were -
Re-wiring of the engine bay, A/C refresh, radiator and cooling system correctly setup (previously a bit of a hash job) new engine mounts, and engine bay respray.

The engine rebuild is almost complete now - after a long few months, and I can finally look forward to running the car again.
Now the slight issue is temps here in Dubai in the summer, even through midnight to early hours of the mornings before sunrise it's still around 35 degrees and high humidity.
The carb will be set up to run in the summer conditions and adjusted as the weather cools down.


Anywayyyy on to the more interesting part:

The car itself is a 1967 Mustang Fastback.
It's in its original colour of Candy-Apple red, with the very 'Americana' matching red interior - interior colour isn't for everyone, but I think it really suits the car!

It's been 'slightly' modified as you can see.

Mustang by V8_Fastback

A couple of photos from when it was on display in the cafe:

Mustang by V8_Fastback

Mustang by V8_Fastback

Interior:

Mustang by V8_Fastback, on Flickr


The bonnet/hood scoop will be going, replaced by a far more subtle one - more in keeping with the mustang design - I think a Shelby GT500 style twin scoop - it's lower profile yet wide enough to allow the air filter to sit in it - and more importantly its period correct. (Although on a lesser model!)

Unfortunately a scoop is needed - partly due to the raised engine/carb set up, but also down to the high heat here in Dubai and need for additional 'fresh' air feed. The hilariously bad bonnet alignment from one of the previous owners will also be sorted asap.

Engine is a 351W (5.8 litre) Windsor V8, with 10:1 compression ratio, aluminium performance heads, a Holley Demon carb, high performance cam, flywheel, clutch, MSD electronic ignition etc. - more on the engine when I get the car back and know the exact components.

The car was originally a 289 V8 with an auto box.
It now has a 4 speed Toploader with Hurst shifter.
A 9 inch Posi rear end to handle the power and a 2.5 inch X pipe - engine note sounds amazing as you'd expect - low burble on idle and a deep loud V8 rumble on power.

Brakes are standard - manual discs up front and drums at the back - although the rear drums are perfectly fine for the weight of the mustang the whole 50 year old technology is not the most confidence inspiring with the performance of the car.., Wilwood front discs and calipers have been ordered. I'll also be fitting a brake booster/servo.

Interior will get a new carpet, it's sun bleached. Interior panels probably resprayed and some re-choming.
I'm also looking to get rid of the aftermarket Tach that you might be able to see at the front of the centre consol.
I'm trying to get an in dash tach but I'm keen to keep the original look. I really don't like the trend to put modern digital dash's in cars like this - In my opinion anything that looks modern today will look dated in 10 years time, long after the original classic clocks have been discarded.
To get an authentic looking in-dash tach is a challenge as the circuit on the rear face of the dashboard doesn't allow a simple swap. The one I have found is going to be circa $700, so that can wait a while!

I also bought a modern yet vintage looking stereo to replace the horrible 90's kenwood. It's a fairly nice bit of kit that doesn't ruin the look of the dash. It also has iPhone connectivity etc.
I'll upgrade the speakers too, but doubt I'll use an amp - I don't really need high quality music - it's not exactly a quiet car to drive either!
I'll need to find a way to disguise the rear speakers - I think I can get some retro style speaker grills to hide some 6x9s.

Exterior plans - A couple of minor areas to be tidied, hood scoop will go for a more subtle one, and probably a new topcoat of paint and machine polish.

I'm in no major rush to get it all done in one go... the goal for now is getting it driving and reliable, enjoying driving and smoking up the tyres!

I'll be trickling in the time and parts I need to bring it back to its former glory - or hopefully better than.

Incidentally. It's fast. Very fast.
When pushing it - It happily lights up the rears in 1st and second, with a chirp when changing into 3rd before it finally settles down. Quite addictive!


I guess I'll update this thread accordingly as bits get done if anyone is interested.....



Edited by V8_Fastback on Saturday 1st July 19:14


Edited by V8_Fastback on Sunday 2nd July 06:35

V8_Fastback

Original Poster:

1,154 posts

193 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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Engine work then:

A couple of pics of the strip and rebuild - should be finished next week. Fingers crossed...

Before:

Mustang by V8_Fastback

Mustang by V8_Fastback

Mustang by V8_Fastback

New engine mounts in:
Mustang by V8_Fastback

You can see the state of some of the old wiring on the floor...! Mustang by V8_Fastback

Awaiting a few parts still.
The old rad hoses are being replaced. And the plug leads will be routed tidier, but for now it's mocked up to start and tune the engine

Mustang by V8_Fastback



V8_Fastback

Original Poster:

1,154 posts

193 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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A regular visitor.... but it softens the blow as a full tank is about £18-£20 here bounce

Mustang by V8_Fastback

TacoExcellence

62 posts

108 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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Stunning!

Paracetamol

4,225 posts

244 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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You lucky thing..I longed after that fastback for a while and didn't see it up for sale!

You did well to find someone to work on it. I had a 65 for a while and one of the mechanics at Max Garage knew his way around carbs and rebuild and set my car up beautifully. He is no longer there unfortunately..

Having a classic out here is hard work. I had a stunning 280sl pagoda and was always concerened at its rich running and oveheating.I conceded and sold it in europe where I know it can be set up to run correctly. Here they are happy if they just get the thing running and starting..

Do PM me. I think I may have seen the car in a trusted shop in AD? or is that another similar fastback.

I need to import me a red neck mechanic ol boy from the US of A to work on these old cars so we can enjoy them properly. Annoying thing is they do paint and bodywork much better out here..but mechanicals are a total PITA

wolfracesonic

6,973 posts

127 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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V8_Fastback said:
A regular visitor.... but it softens the blow as a full tank is about £18-£20 here bounce

Mustang by V8_Fastback
£20.00 a tank AND someone fills your car up for you; Rub it in why don't yousmile It's also nice to see a fastback that hasn't been turned into A Bullitt replica!

V8_Fastback

Original Poster:

1,154 posts

193 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Paracetamol said:
You lucky thing..I longed after that fastback for a while and didn't see it up for sale!

You did well to find someone to work on it. I had a 65 for a while and one of the mechanics at Max Garage knew his way around carbs and rebuild and set my car up beautifully. He is no longer there unfortunately..

Having a classic out here is hard work. I had a stunning 280sl pagoda and was always concerened at its rich running and oveheating.I conceded and sold it in europe where I know it can be set up to run correctly. Here they are happy if they just get the thing running and starting..

Do PM me. I think I may have seen the car in a trusted shop in AD? or is that another similar fastback.

I need to import me a red neck mechanic ol boy from the US of A to work on these old cars so we can enjoy them properly. Annoying thing is they do paint and bodywork much better out here..but mechanicals are a total PITA
Yea it was funny when it came up as I knew someone who used to work in Cafe Rider and she said the owner would never sell... 2 years later and I stumble across it.

It's here in Dubai actually, so there must be another in AD. Funny enough the only other one I've seen around these parts is also a Candyapple Red Fastback GT, last seen in Al Qouz.

Yea having a classic here certainly throws up a few issues. That said these engines are very simple, the guy working on it is adamant a well set up carb should cause me no issues here.

Also, interestingly the big manufacturers Holley/Edelbrock etc now make an EFI unit that replicates the old carbs (meaning under the bonnet looks almost identical and you can use the pancake filter) it's self programmable and self adjusting. Certainly something to look into upgrading to in the future.

The mechanic I'm using is excellent. His place seems to be very much word of mouth, and he's certainly very busy so don't expect a quick job.
But it's being done right and that's the main thing!

Bellini

768 posts

151 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Beautiful!

As has been said before, it's nice to see one not in Highland Green.

I do fully understand where you're coming from with your reasons to buy and own. I own a '71 Mach 1.

I'll be watching your updates with interest.

shirt

22,541 posts

201 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Very nice, mabrook!

Is it Julian who's doing the work?

V8_Fastback

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1,154 posts

193 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Yep, its in with Julian, through your recommendation on the Middle East forum section actually!

hopefully it'll be ready any day now....

V8_Fastback

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193 months

Sunday 9th July 2017
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Still not got the car back, but at least a few parts are rolling in ready to fit.

Wilwood front brake kit to upgrade the stock caliper/disc setup, along with some small cosmetic parts I needed. Sill plates, fuel filler hose etc.


Brakes by V8_Fastback

Untitled by V8_Fastback,

Obviously they aren't the biggest, but I'd like to keep the standard looking 14inch rims - 'apparently' these fit - hopefully will get the chance to fit them ASAP.


shirt

22,541 posts

201 months

Saturday 5th August 2017
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Popped in to see Julian earlier and your car was in there with the Jensen being worked on. looks (and sounds!) great, hope you have understanding neighbours as that's a big cam in there!



Edited by shirt on Sunday 6th August 05:58

coopedup

3,741 posts

139 months

Sunday 6th August 2017
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Wow that is a really beautiful looking beast cloud9
Can I ask what the insurance is like over there?

Edited by coopedup on Sunday 6th August 07:26

bakerstreet

4,760 posts

165 months

Sunday 6th August 2017
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Lovely. Wheels look just right. I certainly wouldn't change them. Does the mustang have servo brakes? If it doesn't, adding a servo may add a bit of power.

IMO the 67 fastback was the pinnacle of Mustang design. There are design cues from the 67 in the latest version.

It was also the basis for Elanor, which is the best movie car of all time. End of.

Enjoy your purchase.

The Wookie

13,923 posts

228 months

Sunday 6th August 2017
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Cool car OP, my old man has a restomod '68 Fastback, funny enough we've had rich running problems with it too, particularly cold and it's a pain to get it started.

I have a couple of petrolhead mates in AD and I have a feeling they might know someone with a 60's Mustang around. Want me to find out if they know someone decent to set the carbs up?

shirt

22,541 posts

201 months

Sunday 6th August 2017
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Comment from the guy who's built the new engine: the carb was jetted to sufficiently fuel 2 engines with previous issues likely resulting from bore wash. It's now fuelling properly.

ETA: hope I'm not telling stories outside of school OP. Very cool car to have for the cooler months.

Edited by shirt on Sunday 6th August 12:25

V8_Fastback

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193 months

Sunday 6th August 2017
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Exactly as shirt says - the guy doing the work really knows his stuff, unlike whoever previously set up the carbs. So they've been rebuilt to a high standard and won't overfuel now.

Yes, very lumpy cam. Engine pulled great even before it went in, so I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes now!

Shirt - the next items on the list are bodywork/interior related - obviously could benefit from a refresh.

I'm heading over tomorrow. Looks like I'll be collecting it soon and crack on with rest of the work whilst it's still too hot to drive properly.

V8_Fastback

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1,154 posts

193 months

Wednesday 20th September 2017
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Time for an update.

First- A pic of the completed engine and engine bay. biggrin

Untitled by V8_Fastback, on Flickr

I've had the bodywork addressed and its just been completed today - I really didn't like the old scoop that was fitted to the bonnet.

Ideally I'd have liked to have got a full replacement bonnet but shipping from the US to Dubai is pretty restrictive. So for now I bought a fibreglass GT500 scoop and had it bonded and blended onto the original bonnet.
I think the lines are far better and looks a lot less aftermarket than the old one - the body shop has done a great job.

Old scoop:

Untitled by V8_Fastback, on Flickr

I also had some metalwork done, mostly to the back end and light panel that had some bubbling in the paint, the rear end was resprayed and the car was machine polished.

Now it's just on its way in to have a newly re-cored radiator fitted, I had a hot running issue which was pinned down to the flow through the Rad.
The summer is almost over here, I'm back to the UK for a few weeks so when I'm back I hope to get some proper driving done.

So new scoop, metalwork, and paint. Here she is at the bodyshop. Proper photos to come when I'm back from my hols!

Untitled by V8_Fastback, on Flickr

Untitled by V8_Fastback, on Flickr

Untitled by V8_Fastback, on Flickr

Untitled by V8_Fastback, on Flickr

Untitled by V8_Fastback, on Flickr



cool


DAVEVO9

3,469 posts

267 months

Wednesday 20th September 2017
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Porn

cloud9

V8_Fastback

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193 months

Wednesday 20th September 2017
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bakerstreet said:
Lovely. Wheels look just right. I certainly wouldn't change them. Does the mustang have servo brakes? If it doesn't, adding a servo may add a bit of power.
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The servo brakes were on option, not fitted on mine though.

You're right, it would make a considerable improvement. First I'd like to fit my Wilwood brakes and see how they perform unassisted - next I think a wilwood master cylinder will be fitted, and finally depending on how the pedal feel is after these have been fitted, I might add a servo.


Will enjoy the car for the next few months, then will make a start on the interior. Initially replacing the carpet and new seat foam in the rear.