BMW 2002Tii (ish)

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anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Cheeky comments about Dollies vs 2002s again. Here's a 2002 spotted from a Dolly. Er, whoops!

This one wasn't a Tii, but it did look cool.








Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 4th November 19:00

e30m3Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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I do like a set of Cosmic's on an early 02. cloud9

I've been searching for a mint green 1502 of late, as that was my first ever BMW. Coincidentally my first abiding memory is smoking a Dolomite away from the lights in it. laugh

scottos

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1,139 posts

123 months

Friday 10th November 2017
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I believe that red one recently sold on ebay!

The only time ive spent with mine on the road was with it a couple of feet behind me on a flat bed haha hopefully that can change next year!

Lots of updates but struggling for any time to upload. Spent a fortune on the thing now and its rather daunting/ stressful at points when you stand back and take it all in and realise the engine and box are still in a load of bits and there's still more things to figure out and more outlay (i know, boo hoo, first world problems and all that!)

E24man

6,655 posts

178 months

Saturday 11th November 2017
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I have great memories of my lhd Verona red 1973 2002tii. I ran it from about 1987 for about 8 years during which time it was indecently quick for a 15 year car against the new hot hatches of the era.

It was fully chromed up and had the 13" steel wheels with old man style chrome hub-caps giving a sleeper appearance against the newer cars of the time.

As well as the inevitable rust around the car a leaking injector led to bore-wash and an engine rebuild but the renewed engine pulled better than ever and I never suffered any other problems with the kugelfischer injection system with just regular synchonising of the pump and butterfly to keep it in tune.

Sadly and inevitably it succumbed to rust and I sold LPA321W to some hopeful lads who had plans to restore it once again... I don't think it ever saw the roads again.

E24man

6,655 posts

178 months

Saturday 11th November 2017
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Lhd imported in 1980 iirc.

scottos

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1,139 posts

123 months

Saturday 11th November 2017
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E24man said:
I have great memories of my lhd Verona red 1973 2002tii. I ran it from about 1987 for about 8 years during which time it was indecently quick for a 15 year car against the new hot hatches of the era.

It was fully chromed up and had the 13" steel wheels with old man style chrome hub-caps giving a sleeper appearance against the newer cars of the time.

As well as the inevitable rust around the car a leaking injector led to bore-wash and an engine rebuild but the renewed engine pulled better than ever and I never suffered any other problems with the kugelfischer injection system with just regular synchonising of the pump and butterfly to keep it in tune.

Sadly and inevitably it succumbed to rust and I sold LPA321W to some hopeful lads who had plans to restore it once again... I don't think it ever saw the roads again.
Awesome, thanks for sharing the story! I hope to make many great memories with this car once done. The day I viewed it and the day I picked it up will be the first two I think!

I’m hoping with the modern injection/ ecu the engine should remain reliable, although either way will be a test of the first engine I have fully built myself! I’m waiting on a couple more parts before I can finish the head and check valve/ piston clearance. If it all goes to plan it should be a real fit engine.

e30m3Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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M10 are brilliant engines. Tough as old boots and they go on for ever with regular oil changes. The quickest tii I ever owned had a flowed head and Schrick cam fitted. It always just felt strong and would leave my pals ti spec 02 for dead. It easily pulled to the redline in 5th and an indicated 120+ mph. Unfortunately it blew a headgasket and the independent garage I used back then, somehow 'mislaid' the head. Yes, really! It was never the same after that.

I think the M10 is certainly one of the best 4 pots ever built.

Am looking forward to seeing this once it's finished. smile

scottos

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1,139 posts

123 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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e30m3Mark said:
M10 are brilliant engines. Tough as old boots and they go on for ever with regular oil changes. The quickest tii I ever owned had a flowed head and Schrick cam fitted. It always just felt strong and would leave my pals ti spec 02 for dead. It easily pulled to the redline in 5th and an indicated 120+ mph. Unfortunately it blew a headgasket and the independent garage I used back then, somehow 'mislaid' the head. Yes, really! It was never the same after that.

I think the M10 is certainly one of the best 4 pots ever built.

Am looking forward to seeing this once it's finished. smile
Thanks Mark, we are certainly on the same wavelength it seems. Quite a few people have questioned me staying with the M10 but reading up on the history of the engine and what it did for BMW there was never another consideration for me. Built M10 and 235 gearbox is the dream and I’m chasing it!

Sounds like you’ve had some bad luck with garages over the years, a properly worked head and camshaft isn’t cheap either as you will obviously know!

I did a bit of a trial build on mine today to make sure it’ll time up with the thinner cometic head gasket, the skimmed head and decked block. All seemed fine, certainly needed the vernier even for standard timing marks! Just waiting on a small hone to arrive so I can sort the steel rockers out and get it all together. Just hoping I have enough clearance between valve and piston in the next trial build.

Hoping to make it to one of the Wales drive outs once it’s done so sure we’ll meet. Would love a look around your m3 too!

scottos

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1,139 posts

123 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Well a bit of an update, done quite a bit more!

I bought a new boot seal and ordered some 3m weatherstrip sealant from USA, this stuff doesnt lift the paint up like other products. Sadly whoever has fitted the previous one has used a product where the paint had reacted in some places so there was some localised touching up to do! Awful job all in all but im glad its now done!





I also bought a few more bits and bobs to progress me along the project, there is some element of 'whilst its in bits' as always!

e30 m3 starter motor, massve weight and space saving:





Seen fitted, along with the stainless water bypass pipe (i've got a black full silicone hose kit too):



New engine and gearbox mounts, these are a 'street/track' set-up:



Adjustable roll bars:



The rear mounts in the standard location but the front uses an adapter to move the pivot point a lot closer:



This picture hshows how much closer, the old bar was as far forward in the engine bay as you can get:



Comparison of the old and new rear:



Front going on:



Fitted:









Rear:



ECU also turned up:



Now for the engine schenanigans! My head has been finished, awesome awesome piece of work and im over the moon with it!



The inlet manifold for the itb's has been port matched:







On with Building it:











The steel rockers needed a small bit of honing out to fit on the rocker shafts:





All together:





Went for the trial build with my thinner cometic gasket:















Then this happened:



Not good! I hadnt done a drop valve measurement before building the head so knocked the rocker shafts back out so i could remove the valves out of number 4 and do one. I basically have between 3-3.3mm valve clearance at TDC, my camshaft is timed at 3.7mm lift TDC, you can see the problem there!

So a silver steel rod at 5/16th's was turned to a point in a lathe so i could centre pop my pistons, along with the valve to piston measurement i can then get the valve reliefs cut into the pistons. Bearing in mind this is supposed to be the 'simple' engine to get the car on the road quicker, its proving rather more fussy than intended! The end result should be worth it though, with more compression than i first thought it should make good power.

Centre pop in the guide, marking the piston:





and pistons back out!





Couple of other bits and pieces:

New radiator v's old, its the same dimensions but has a higher cooling rate, this can be seen by the increased amount of cooling channels



Also made the breather baffle on the rocker cover a removable item:





A little bit of a rushed update but im trying to keep the thread up to date!

I'll end with a pic of the full car as a reminder, looking at it from this angle keeps me going haha



Thanks,

Scott




anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Fabby!

Legacywr

12,019 posts

187 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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I’m going to buy this when you’re done biggrin

e30m3Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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So nicely put together. I wish I had the skills to rebuild an engine myself. I don't though and I would end up with an expensive pile of scrap.

There should be a support group for cases of ''whilst it's in bits'itis''.

Mark Benson

7,498 posts

268 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Bummer about the valve clearances but at least you found out on a trial fit and can get the work done - shows you're doing it right and in the grand scheme of things it's only a small setback.

I so want to see (and hear!) on the road this when you're done....

Brum_Brum

533 posts

222 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Fantastic keep up the good work!,. bet you can't wait to hear that engine sing?

skylarking808

778 posts

85 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Simply lovely looking old school Beemer engine.

That is going to be one fine ride when finished OP.

_Neal_

2,658 posts

218 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Such a good thread - great work OP.

The Bandit

788 posts

194 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Trumpet p0rn! thumbup

scottos

Original Poster:

1,139 posts

123 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
Fabby!
Thanks!

Legacywr said:
I’m going to buy this when you’re done biggrin
haha I doubt i'd be able to part with it once its done!

e30m3Mark said:
So nicely put together. I wish I had the skills to rebuild an engine myself. I don't though and I would end up with an expensive pile of scrap.

There should be a support group for cases of ''whilst it's in bits'itis''.
Cheers Mark, like i say i wish we were closer and id certainly be willing to lend a hand on yours! And agree with such a support group, i think we'd be there every week without fail!

Mark Benson said:
Bummer about the valve clearances but at least you found out on a trial fit and can get the work done - shows you're doing it right and in the grand scheme of things it's only a small setback.

I so want to see (and hear!) on the road this when you're done....
Thanks, thats what i've said to people as well, it's only a couple a couple of extra hours and better caught now! Me too, i cant wait.

Brum_Brum said:
Fantastic keep up the good work!,. bet you can't wait to hear that engine sing?
Thanks, certainly cant, still feels a long way away but im sure it'll sharp come round.

skylarking808 said:
Simply lovely looking old school Beemer engine.

That is going to be one fine ride when finished OP.
Cheers buddy!

_Neal_ said:
Such a good thread - great work OP.
Thanks Neal

dumab said:
That engine won’t sing, it’ll snort!!
I'm hoping it'll do a bit of both!

The Bandit said:
Trumpet p0rn! thumbup
Agreed! biggrin

avenger286

425 posts

102 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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Brilliant work and still my favourite BMW on pH.

scottos

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1,139 posts

123 months

Friday 24th November 2017
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avenger286 said:
Brilliant work and still my favourite BMW on pH.
Thanks very much, flattered, high praise indeed!