1991 Ferrari Mondial T Cabriolet

1991 Ferrari Mondial T Cabriolet

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LotusOmega375D

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7,601 posts

153 months

Tuesday 14th November 2017
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Just picked this one up. This is the last-of-the-line T model which had the longitudinal engine (3.4 litre V8, 300bhp). Service history as long as both your arms. Fun to take the family out, 4-up with the top down.




GrandAndrew

876 posts

150 months

Tuesday 14th November 2017
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That looks great. What do they sound like?

Brompty

153 posts

144 months

Tuesday 14th November 2017
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It's a bargain Ferrari that will probably only appreciate. Great choice.

JS1500

579 posts

177 months

Tuesday 14th November 2017
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These look great. The styling really works and has aged nicely in my opinion. Great cars for exactly what you're using it for too, so I've read.
Enjoy!

LotusOmega375D

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7,601 posts

153 months

Tuesday 14th November 2017
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GrandAndrew said:
That looks great. What do they sound like?
I haven't taken it to the red line yet, but at normal RPM it's relatively quiet, certainly far less noisy than my Evora GTE, It's bog standard, so running a standard exhaust. Apparently it used to have a bespoke sports exhaust system a few years back, but it was returned to OEM specification some time ago. More in-keeping with the civilized spirit of the model, I think.

Dr G

15,167 posts

242 months

Tuesday 14th November 2017
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JS1500 said:
These look great. The styling really works and has aged nicely in my opinion.
Agreed - look better today than they ever did smile

LarJammer

2,237 posts

210 months

Tuesday 14th November 2017
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Geek fact - its the only mid engined 4 seater cabrio ever made.

I like a Mondial, apparently a cambelt change on the T is a pig of a job but a clutch change is a piece of cake?

LotusOmega375D

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7,601 posts

153 months

Tuesday 14th November 2017
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I had the big cam belt service done before I picked it up, so hopefully not too much expenditure for the next 3 years. Fingers crossed...

Matt Cup

3,155 posts

104 months

Tuesday 14th November 2017
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I thought all of these had the transverse engine. Every days a school day!

LotusOmega375D

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7,601 posts

153 months

Tuesday 14th November 2017
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One of the advantages of the longitudinal engine is that it sits lower in the chassis. You really have to peer deep into the engine bay to see the top of the cam covers. That gives the T model better handling due to the lower centre of gravity. Also makes them relative pigs to work on.

This might sound a bit odd, but it reminds me of my old Integrale in some ways. The smell, the mechanical noises, the steering wheel and of course the colour.

mattman

3,176 posts

222 months

Tuesday 14th November 2017
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dare i ask what sort of price these things fetch - or it that a little crass?

LotusOmega375D

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7,601 posts

153 months

Wednesday 15th November 2017
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At the moment the asking prices for Mondial T cabriolets in the UK range from GBP 48K to 70K. For the earlier 3.2 cabriolet the range is GBP 36K to GBP 60K.

A few years back good ones were stuck at 25K or so. I wanted one back then, but didn't have the money. Of course they then went up in value like other Ferraris.

Now is a good time to buy. Old Ferraris are hanging around in the classifieds and prices are softening generally and these are no different. Add in the usual factor that all convertible cars are a struggle to sell in the winter and that makes it rather a buyer's market.

It's hard to put a value on any car, but this is a rare full convertible, mid-engined Ferrari V8 which the whole family can enjoy. Therein lies the value to me, so I expect to keep it for quite a few years.

MJK 24

5,648 posts

236 months

Wednesday 15th November 2017
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Great thread, great car. I wish you luck with it.

Am I correct in thinking that the Mondial was never the 'entry level' Ferrari in that it was always more expensive than the Berlinetta of the time? I.e. 308, 328 and 348?

castex

4,936 posts

273 months

Wednesday 15th November 2017
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Streamley stylish.

Bungleaio

6,330 posts

202 months

Wednesday 15th November 2017
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I love these. My first memory of seeing one was in Weird Science.

Enjoy driving it op.

billzeebub

3,864 posts

199 months

Wednesday 15th November 2017
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Lovely looking car. I remember these being relative peanuts in the not not too distant past. So, it's the only mid-engined 4 seater Convertible ever? That's a pretty epic USP for a skip-along in values in the coming years. Anyway, shouldn't lose much worst case scenario and what a brilliantly individual way to have family fun. Hope you will continue this thread and take us all along for the vicarious ownership experience.

LotusOmega375D

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7,601 posts

153 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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MJK 24 said:
Great thread, great car. I wish you luck with it.

Am I correct in thinking that the Mondial was never the 'entry level' Ferrari in that it was always more expensive than the Berlinetta of the time? I.e. 308, 328 and 348?
I've had a look at some literature. You are correct that the 308 and 328 were cheaper than the contemporary Mondial, but when the all-new 348 model was launched, it was priced above the Mondial T.

craigjm

17,940 posts

200 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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Amazing how the prices on these and the 400 have moved. A few years ago you could barely give one away

LotusOmega375D

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7,601 posts

153 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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It's the old 4 seat Ferrari syndrome. It's always taken them much longer to earn the love than their 2 seat cousins. Think right back to the 1960s 250 GTE. By the early 80s they were as good as worthless and literally being chopped up as donor cars for replicas. If you'd kept one as Enzo intended it, you'd be sitting on 400 grand today.

I think the general rule of thumb with 4 seat Ferraris is that a) they cost more new, b) they drop in value like a stone, c) they bottom out for a few years and then d) their value eventually increases, but still sits below that of the contemporary 2 seater.

BigMon

4,183 posts

129 months

Thursday 16th November 2017
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I didn't really like these when they were new, but I think they've aged really well.

That looks lovely. Enjoy it (I know I would!)