Mk2 Golf GTi 20v Turbo Soon To Be Daily.....

Mk2 Golf GTi 20v Turbo Soon To Be Daily.....

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Sammo123

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2,103 posts

180 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Evening,

A few months ago I started hankering after a Mk2 Scirocco to use as my daily driver. My BMW 530i is wasted for the amount I actually use it and to be honest it’s a really boring car to drive! I went and looked at a couple of Sciroccos that were absolutely hanging so was keeping an eye out for any others that popped up for sale. My friends kept asking why I didn’t fancy a Mk2 Golf instead. My response was that they just didn’t grab me like the Scirocco did. Anyway I kept looking at Sciroccos and kept walking away disappointed with them. A few weeks after I started my search my Brother mentioned that he was going to sell his Mk2 Golf 20v Turbo (that’s been sat in my garden for the last 3ish years!) because he’s never going to get around to sorting it. I enquired as to how much he wanted and couldn’t get the money in his hand quick enough laugh

Anyway, this is the Golf in question.



Now I’m sure you’ll all agree that it looks pretty good in that picture. I think so too. However that picture was taken about 5 years ago when the Golf was still in daily use by my Brother. Since then it’s been parked on gravel in my back garden and hasn’t moved! A couple of people have mentioned it when it’s been spotted in the background of my Caddy Van project thread - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...



Well that was a couple of months ago, and because my Caddy has been on the driveway and hasn’t been moveable the Golf has just stayed where it’s been sitting, waiting for me to get around to it!

Last week my van went off to have some custom engine mounts made so as soon as I finished work on Saturday I decided it was time to get the Golf onto the driveway and give it a look over. Unfortunately the Golf doesn’t start at the moment. It’s got a knackered Toad alarm and immobiliser which stops it from doing anything and even once you get past that it would appear the fuel pump won’t prime! This meant the Golf would need to be towed onto the driveway. This was a bit of a challenge by myself but armed with my trusty 530i and a tow rope, slowly but surely it made its way back onto the drive smile Now unfortunately where it’s been sat for a few years next doors ivy has attached itself to the drivers side, so once it was on the drive this is what it looked like frown







I decided the first thing it needed was jet washing off. That took a good 40 minutes to get everything off and it looks surprisingly presentable again smile While I was at it I removed the knackered badgeless front grill as well.





I’ll chuck some more updates up in a bit smile

Sammo123

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2,103 posts

180 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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I found this video on my phone. This was about 8 years ago at Santa Pod. My Brother had only recently had the 20v Turbo fitted.

https://vimeo.com/297501690

Sammo123

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180 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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The idea of this Golf is to turn the exterior largely back to standard. The way it currently looks is how my brother wanted it. Although it’s nice it’s not really my cup of tea and definitely not daily material.

With that in mind I stuck the Azev wheels up on eBay the other night and by 10am the following day they had sold. Luckily I have already bought a set of 15inch BBS RA’s so I stopped at my lockup on the way home yesterday and collected them. I then spent an hour with a rubber mallet trying to get the Azev’s off the car haha. They had become part of it! Anyway, the guy picked up his new wheels late last night so I took a couple of pics in the dark of the Golf with its new shoes smile I love them, although the G60 arches make them look ridiculous. Good job I’ve bought a set of standard GTi arches today smile







I’ll also be replacing the tyres with a slightly higher profile for added comfort (does that make me sound old?) and I’ve got a set of Bilstein shocks and Eibach springs to go on it too smile

Sammo123

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2,103 posts

180 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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I took half a days holiday today (got to use it all up!) so after going into town for some bits I headed home and decided to try and figure out why the Golf doesn’t start. When turning the ignition on the fuel pump should prime for a few seconds. It doesn’t do this anymore. I found some evidence of mice living in the car at some stage so figured they’d taken a liking to the wiring and nicked a bit. I figured the best thing to do was to get the car in the air and check what’s going on with the in-line pump under the car.



Once it was as high as I could get it and a couple of axle stands were underneath I squeezed myself under there to find the pump. First thing I did was to connect the pump directly to a battery and see if it burst into life. It made a couple of half arsed noises but didn’t really do much pumping. Looks like it’s the pump then! Just to be sure I checked for a live feed to the wiring plug with the ignition on. Thankfully there is one which means the mice have left the wiring alone smile

Seeing as my diagnosis powers had worked today I figured I better get the pump off the car so I could get a part number etc. I was dreading this bit. All the fixings looked like they were going to snap off as soon as I showed them the ratchet. I carried on anyway because whatever happened the pump needed to come out! To my surprise nothing snapped and within a few minutes the pump was off and on the bench smile



Unfortunately the three Philips head screws that hold the pump into the housing were rotten and I had no chance of undoing them like that. I started drilling through them but figured it was going to take me ages. So out came the Dremel to cut some slots into the screw heads instead smile



It did the trick and within a few minutes the pump was out smile



The next dilemma is do I replace it with another identical pump or do I upgrade it to something a bit beefier? I don’t know if there is anything bigger that will still fit in the housing. Time to do some research.

Caddyshack

10,605 posts

205 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Nice little project, I liked it before and I think I will like the finished article too.

I am fitting a 20v in a 944 at moment and have a Mk1 TT225 and used to have a MK1 Caddy with one of the first 20v conversions in it.

J4CKO

41,286 posts

199 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Caddyshack said:
Nice little project, I liked it before and I think I will like the finished article too.

I am fitting a 20v in a 944 at moment and have a Mk1 TT225 and used to have a MK1 Caddy with one of the first 20v conversions in it.
You got a thread going on that, interesting conversion.


Caddyshack

10,605 posts

205 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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No, but I can if people are interested. Not wanting to hijack this thread but I converted an auto 944 to manual and made an adapter plate to use the rear gearbox and torque tube using mk4 golf bellhousing and bolted the 20v to that...it is a really simple conversion.

Caddyshack

10,605 posts

205 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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It might be worth using an GENUINE Bosch 044 pump for the fuel, they are good for over 500 bhp so lots of redundancy and nice and small

Sammo123

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180 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Caddyshack said:
It might be worth using an GENUINE Bosch 044 pump for the fuel, they are good for over 500 bhp so lots of redundancy and nice and small
Do they go straight into the original housing? I don’t want to mess around having to fabricate anything if I can help it.

Caddyshack

10,605 posts

205 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Sammo123 said:
Do they go straight into the original housing? I don’t want to mess around having to fabricate anything if I can help it.
Not sure, cannot make it out enough in picture but places like demon tweeks make 044mounts so they are easy to bolt in.

Caddyshack

10,605 posts

205 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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I am near Guildford if you do need anything fabricating / welding up, I am no pro, just DIY but I can weld steel well enough to get a job jobbed.

chrismc1977

854 posts

111 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Will make for a surprisingly fast daily!

What’s the rest of the spec engine/gearbox & brakes wise?

Have owned several tweaked mk2’s myself...

Sammo123

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180 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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chrismc1977 said:
Will make for a surprisingly fast daily!

What’s the rest of the spec engine/gearbox & brakes wise?

Have owned several tweaked mk2’s myself...
It was originally an 8v GTi. When my brother bought it it had been converted to a G60 with approx 240bhp. It was lightning quick! Unfortunately the supercharger lunched itself a couple of months after he bought it and the engine sucked everything up and was destroyed. That’s when it went 20v. It’s an AGU engine which is from an early Mk4 Golf GTi and has 150bhp. It’s running OEM engine management so has an OBD port (somewhere!) which is handy. It’s running G60 brakes with braided lines on the front and standard GTi discs on the rear. I’m not sure on the gearbox. I need to have a look and try to find the code.

chrismc1977

854 posts

111 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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280’s up front is a bonus! Decent pads & fluid is all you need really.

150hp stock should map up to 200 simply enough & retain all the reliability.

Ideally a slip diff in the box will make it all properly usable too

My ‘best’ mk2 was a 16v on Jenvey throttle bodies & DTA management ~195hp/7800 rev limit. Great car!

Beefier ARB’s work wonders on them too....not sure what’s available nowadays mind you

aka_kerrly

12,416 posts

209 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Big Mk2 Golf fan here and always happy to see another one being put back on the road and not broken/scrapped. I still love the 90s "British" look with big bumpers, G60 arches, singe wipers, badgeless grills, Azevs and so on, not quite Euro look subtle and a bit more Motorsport inspired.

That said a standard looking one is certainly a good way to go & will no doubt have more universal appeal. I'm currently rebuilding a 1989 small bumper 16v which will look standard, go a bit faster , handle a bit better and many many factory upgrade parts.

Regarding the fuel pump I'm fairly certain a standard 16v pump (which bangs out over 6bar) can support 20VT engines thirst. Also worth noting the fuel accumulator is the same as a Ford RS Turbo an these tend to be easier to source NOS & cheaper than from VW. Pirtek can also make up some really tasty braided fuel lines with stainless fittings to link the pump/accumulator/filter , im not even sure if you can still get genuine OE parts.

If you're stuck with anything the MK2 Golf Owners club is still a lively forum/fb group as i find the CGTI mk2 area is a graveyard now.

Dr G

15,159 posts

241 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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...however the Club GTI and MK2 Golf 20VT Facebook pages are very active.

Great project and I'd go the same way, MK2s look so good standard(ish) there's little need to mess around much.

The RAs will look great with the standard arches and tyres back on. Looks like they're on 40/45s at the minute. 195/50 looks far better.

Bookmarked.

Sammo123

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2,103 posts

180 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Dr G said:
...however the Club GTI and MK2 Golf 20VT Facebook pages are very active.

Great project and I'd go the same way, MK2s look so good standard(ish) there's little need to mess around much.

The RAs will look great with the standard arches and tyres back on. Looks like they're on 40/45s at the minute. 195/50 looks far better.

Bookmarked.
You’re correct with the tyres. I’ve order some 195/50 to put on instead.

darkyoung1000

2,025 posts

195 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Monsieur, with this and the Caddy project, you are really spoiling us!
Will be lovely to follow this resurrection project, good luck!

Sammo123

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180 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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darkyoung1000 said:
Monsieur, with this and the Caddy project, you are really spoiling us!
Will be lovely to follow this resurrection project, good luck!
Haha well I aim to please. Although hopefully this doesn’t turn into too much of a project. The idea is to get it to a point where it can be used as a daily (I say daily but I walk to work so it’s more a weekend car) and then just sort bits and bobs along the way smile

MDMA .

8,849 posts

100 months

Thursday 1st November 2018
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I've got some spare MK2 GTi bits left over if you want them. Wishbones, mudflaps etc.