The Range Racer

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Greg_D

6,542 posts

246 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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What a confused comment.

So you’re saying snetterton has the same braking requirements as somewhere like Croft it goodwood!!!!! Loads of big stops into hairpins will beat the hell out of brakes, whereas floaty places like Croft/Mallory are dead easy on brakes

mwggriffiths

62 posts

151 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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Max M4X WW said:
illmonkey said:
charlie-5mkmt said:
ntiz said:
What’s the plan for the gearbox?

Did this generation have paddles? Could you replace the current torque converter for something else lighter and more sporting?
Sadly it didn't have paddles, not thought too much about it so far, it does have a sequential mode but the gear Leaver is the wrong way round (currently push forward to change up). So we might try to rewire that at some point.
I may be well wrong for your car, but the E46’s were wrong and it was a easy cable change to swap direction. Maybe worth a look. Although I’m sure you have better info at your disposal!

Great project, following with interest!
I expect you could easily fit a paddle wheel too, didn't the OP mention the spline pattern is the same as an E46 anyway (I.E. SMG wheel)?
As the two commenters above have suggested it'll be very easy to swap the sequential shifter directions around (google how to do it on an E38 7 Series, the shifter mech is carry over).

You could also fit an E46 SMG steering wheel, matching slip ring and a little bit of wiring to E38s & E39s and get the paddles working so I assume the same applies here (RR Steering wheel is carry-over E38 too), but that's a moot point as you've already bought a "proper" steering wheel!

shalmaneser

5,932 posts

195 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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fred bloggs said:
charlie-5mkmt said:
The Benchmarking track Day! And what an eventful day it was!

So on the 15th of December we took the range racer to Bedford autodrome for some benchmarking in completely standard form.

During the driver brief we were told it’s the hardest circuit in the UK for brakes……whoops!

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I didn't know Bedford was all downhill ? As engineers surely you can work out no circuit is harder on brakes than another, unless you never need to slow down. Silverstone has some much larger braking zones.
Oh dear.

Let's do a thought experiment.

Two tracks of equal distance. Which will be harder on brakes:

- driving a circuit that is just two parallel straights with two 90 degree corners:

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- driving on a big circle - with effectively no braking zones.

Hopefully from this example you can see that severity of corners has a large effect on braking effort.

Slopez

66 posts

97 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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Funny how things turn out eh... From coming up with the crazy idea, to being one of the hottest topics on PH!

Look forward to the updates thumbup

doubble99

38 posts

118 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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The Crack Fox said:
This is spectacular! How do I contact you? I'd love to run a mag feature on this madness.
Found your webby in your bio, sorry, not a cyber stalker but bookmarked you as really cool content, esp the BMC Buckboard article ;-)

charlie-5mkmt

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74 posts

72 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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fred bloggs said:
I didn't know Bedford was all downhill ? As engineers surely you can work out no circuit is harder on brakes than another, unless you never need to slow down. Silverstone has some much larger braking zones.
Unfortunately the other chaps are correct, brakes are converting kinetic energy into heat.

Simplicity, Kinetic energy = 0.5 x mass x speed squared

As the speed is squared it has by far the biggest factor.

I.e. Circuits that have lots braking from high speeds are hardest on the brakes by far.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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It's impossible to convert an L322 to manual right?

charlie-5mkmt

Original Poster:

74 posts

72 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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aaron_2000 said:
It's impossible to convert an L322 to manual right?
Impossible is a strong word!!

But it's not easy

poppopbangbang

1,839 posts

141 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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This is awesome! biggrin

Also it's really easy to add Paddles to these and most similar era BMW stuff. The selector is just two NO switches and there is nothing stopping you mounting any NO switch on either side of the wheel (ITW mini push button to Shiftec paddle or anything in between). If you don't need the multiplex for the stereo controls etc. then you can repurpose these pins in the clock spring to pass your paddle signals through the clock spring or just do a curly lead for maximum race car look!

Rojer09

2 posts

171 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2019
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charlie-5mkmt said:
Impossible is a strong word!!

But it's not easy
I'm sure it would be relatively easy to fit a BMW manual box? Would be a nice weight saving i would imagine.

helix402

7,859 posts

182 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2019
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Rojer09 said:
I'm sure it would be relatively easy to fit a BMW manual box? Would be a nice weight saving i would imagine.
I don’t think it would. The engine isn’t a BMW engine.

Usget

5,426 posts

211 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2019
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charlie-5mkmt said:
aaron_2000 said:
It's impossible to convert an L322 to manual right?
Impossible is a strong word!!

But it's not easy
This thread is pretty interesting. Suggests that an S-Type V6 diesel box can be made to fit to the AJV8 (albeit the 4.0) without too much fettling. Obviously that doesn't take account of the 4wd system but hey, who needs 4wd hehe

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/xk8-xkr-x100-17...

Nunga

332 posts

108 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2019
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You could get an adaptor plate made to fit any gearbox but it defies the point somewhat given its meant to be done with a budget in mind. The auto isn’t the end of the world, and if the glass is replaced for lexan or Perspex as already suggested that’ll take out a fair chunk of weight, and up high, too.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

261 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2019
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Meanwhile in other matters, OP don't forget to polybush the suspension! Quite a cheap option to stiffen everything up from Rimmer Bros.

XJR500bhp

1,194 posts

210 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2019
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To echo XJSRacer

Swallows Jaguar can manual convert the 4.2 engine if you want to ditch that box

Cheers

charlie-5mkmt

Original Poster:

74 posts

72 months

Thursday 24th January 2019
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The first bucket seat is In!! Really starting to feel like a race car now.

Harnesses and rear buckets are next on our list to acquire but we should probably crack on with selling some of the old range rover parts before we are all broke!


HughG

3,547 posts

241 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Great effort, what is the thinking with the rear buckets? Do tracks even let you take more than 1 passenger?

RicksAlfas

13,396 posts

244 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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If you have rear seats, where will the front harnesses go?

seiben

2,346 posts

134 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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RicksAlfas said:
If you have rear seats, where will the front harnesses go?
Job for the rear passengers, surely? "Here, hold this. Nice and tight." hehe

Jammez

663 posts

207 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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OP what's the thoughts on ditching the air suspension completely and going over to coils?

I know a lot of the classic RR's that had air we're often converted to coils. I'm in the process of putting my old one back to air and there's a significant amount of weight in the tank, valve block & pump so I can imagine in an L322 there's probably even more weight to be saved as the struts themselves must also weight a fair bit.

A quick google spotted stuff like this

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Arnott-Coil-Spring-Conv...