“It's just a daily” - Renaultsport Clio 182

“It's just a daily” - Renaultsport Clio 182

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chrismc1977

854 posts

111 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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Power is close enough to be considered book figures.

Renaults & Hondas are quite well known for not quite making what the book says...

Stock DC2 like mine listed @ 187 but in the real world high 170’s/low 180’s standard. Still pretty acceptable @ ~100hp/litre of course.

Must be some headroom for peak gains on the Clio with it being 2L? Possibly relatively pricey with conventional n/a tuning however (for mild gains).

I’ve always been a huge fan of the OEM+ route though. Retain standard looking motor with all the work hidden from view

G111MDS

316 posts

90 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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frayz said:
...as the SC was the best bit of my Mini GP
Really liked the supercharger wine in my GP1 too 😁

trails

3,623 posts

148 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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frayz said:
Charged ones are pretty uncommon and there’s a couple of bits I don’t like.
They’re a hideously expensive conversion, they’re all Rotrex type chargers so you don’t get that magic charger whine. Doesn’t have the flexibility of a turbocharger and you lose the AC.

I would like to have a go of one first though as the SC was the best bit of my Mini GP
Hard to justify on cost alone compared to a snail...but we both know you won’t be swayed by cost If there is a better solution for you biggrin

Did not know the conversions were whine free; removed once of the best hits frown

Is there any reason you can’t have one with a whine...I’m afraid I know very little about ‘chargers!

frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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trails said:
frayz said:
Charged ones are pretty uncommon and there’s a couple of bits I don’t like.
They’re a hideously expensive conversion, they’re all Rotrex type chargers so you don’t get that magic charger whine. Doesn’t have the flexibility of a turbocharger and you lose the AC.

I would like to have a go of one first though as the SC was the best bit of my Mini GP
Hard to justify on cost alone compared to a snail...but we both know you won’t be swayed by cost If there is a better solution for you biggrin

Did not know the conversions were whine free; removed once of the best hits frown

Is there any reason you can’t have one with a whine...I’m afraid I know very little about ‘chargers!
Whine comes from a roots type charger of which as far as I’m aware nobody makes for a Clio.
If I can find a good donor motor I’ll just build up a high comp NA motor and do some fettling on the internals.

jase_llan

148 posts

56 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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frayz said:
Whine comes from a roots type charger of which as far as I’m aware nobody makes for a Clio.
If I can find a good donor motor I’ll just build up a high comp NA motor and do some fettling on the internals.
You can always have a go yourself at a supercharger conversion, using an Eaton M62 off an SLK230? I believe the easiest way would be to have a custom inlet manifold onto which the charger could mount - no idea on clearance in the Clio though!

trails

3,623 posts

148 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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frayz said:
Whine comes from a roots type charger of which as far as I’m aware nobody makes for a Clio.
If I can find a good donor motor I’ll just build up a high comp NA motor and do some fettling on the internals.
Would be nice to have an engine like that on TBs and a carbon inlet smile

Court_S

12,764 posts

176 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Not caught up in a while; too work as always. The brake ducts look brill.

How does the new exhaust sound?

frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Court_S said:
Not caught up in a while; too work as always. The brake ducts look brill.

How does the new exhaust sound?
Not on yet. I had planned on trying it this weekend but plans changed and won’t have time yet. Still on the hunt for a genuine Cup Racer version with the straight cut outlets anyway. Haha

frayz

Original Poster:

2,629 posts

158 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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chrismc1977 said:
Power is close enough to be considered book figures.

Renaults & Hondas are quite well known for not quite making what the book says...

Stock DC2 like mine listed @ 187 but in the real world high 170’s/low 180’s standard. Still pretty acceptable @ ~100hp/litre of course.

Must be some headroom for peak gains on the Clio with it being 2L? Possibly relatively pricey with conventional n/a tuning however (for mild gains).

I’ve always been a huge fan of the OEM+ route though. Retain standard looking motor with all the work hidden from view
Yeah it was supposed to be 182ps which is 179bhp I think. From what I gather most make around the 170-175 area so from that, mines not done bad.

frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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jase_llan said:
You can always have a go yourself at a supercharger conversion, using an Eaton M62 off an SLK230? I believe the easiest way would be to have a custom inlet manifold onto which the charger could mount - no idea on clearance in the Clio though!
Nice idea but too much faff for a car I use daily I’m afraid.

frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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trails said:
frayz said:
Whine comes from a roots type charger of which as far as I’m aware nobody makes for a Clio.
If I can find a good donor motor I’ll just build up a high comp NA motor and do some fettling on the internals.
Would be nice to have an engine like that on TBs and a carbon inlet smile
Again, ITBs I lose the cold start, the cruise, the AC and all low end manners. If it wasn’t a daily driver that has to be friendly at 6am every day it would already be wearing some ITBs haha

jase_llan

148 posts

56 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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frayz said:
Nice idea but too much faff for a car I use daily I’m afraid.
That's fair enough, I've kept my daily at exhaust, induction kit and a remap so I get you. As mentioned above, ITBs would be perfect if you can get some that are reasonably civilised! Realistically, almost everything you can do from here (apart from incremental improvements) is going to affect how the car works as a daily.


Edited by jase_llan on Sunday 5th July 10:37

trails

3,623 posts

148 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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frayz said:
Again, ITBs I lose the cold start, the cruise, the AC and all low end manners. If it wasn’t a daily driver that has to be friendly at 6am every day it would already be wearing some ITBs haha
You are getting far to sensible in your advancing years biggrin

Darkslider

3,071 posts

188 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Isn't the Mégane RS the same engine with a turbo? I'm sure that's a pretty popular swap into the Clio unless I'm just imagining things hehe

frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Darkslider said:
Isn't the Mégane RS the same engine with a turbo? I'm sure that's a pretty popular swap into the Clio unless I'm just imagining things hehe
Even easier is turbocharging the existing F4R.
However I’ve driven some turbocharged Clios and didn’t like them. Turbocharged power in a Clio to me took more away from the driving experience than it added.

frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Big shout out to Tony @ VintagsUK for custom making me a pair of new decals. These are absolutely spot on and the silver decal is still an anti tamper VOID when removed.

Some might say expensive for what may be considered as just stickers but well worth replacing the damaged items and getting these details right.


frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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WZD has worn its BTM exhaust system for 8 years, and after removing it this morning, it’s practically as mint now as the day it was fitted.
The BTM has only been removed as I fancy a change and have been intrigued by the hype that’s always surrounded the Orbisoud system. I have to say I’m not a great fan of the inwardly rolled Orbisoud outlets but they may grow on me.
The system fitted up well in no time at all.

BTM removed.



Orbisoud fitted













BTM left, Orbisoud right



Crap iPhone video but you get the jist.

https://youtu.be/d1QsDomHZdQ

Cambs_Stuart

2,833 posts

83 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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Video sounds good.
Going back to the power, have you considered any lumpier cams or changing the timing?
I'm on the look out for an RS tuner unit, I ways seem to be just to slow to get the good parts when they come up, recently I've missed out on an oil cooler, some brake ducts, shifter units etc..

frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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Cambs_Stuart said:
Video sounds good.
Going back to the power, have you considered any lumpier cams or changing the timing?
I'm on the look out for an RS tuner unit, I ways seem to be just to slow to get the good parts when they come up, recently I've missed out on an oil cooler, some brake ducts, shifter units etc..
Yes Stu,
Cams and timing are top of my list so far.

frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Thursday 9th July 2020
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So im, 4 days into the Orbisoud and was asked on the Trophy forum as to my thoughts vs the BTM. For what its worth, this was my response.

Sound I think is slightly better on the Orbisoud, It’s got a deeper more angry tone than the BTM. It’s certainly gotten better over the last few days driving.
Having said that, the Orb is a silenced decat and my BTM is a cat back.
You can feel the cars lost a little bit of torque around the 3k rpm area but the motor certainly feels less restricted and revs much more freely. This is most noticeable when bliping for heel/toe. Dispite the slight torque loss, the way the car drives decatted is far more to my liking.

Fitment on the Orb is very good, infact it’s one of my favourite things about it, it fits the bumper outlets perfectly. Doesn’t knock or touch anywhere underneath and I like the fact it bolts directly to the boot floor and does away with the OEM triangle mounts.
It does however only have 2 mounts at the rear and this allows a little more movement than I’d like. For this reason it does touch the bumper cutouts under hard load. I know this because now the exhaust has a layer of dirt on it, I can see clean witness marks around the outlets where it must just kiss the bumper trims.

Build quality is reasonable but far from spectacular. I’d say my BTM is built every bit aswell as the Orbisoud, In some areas the BTM is actually better.
Frankly my Simpsons system on my Impreza makes the Orbisoud look like a lump of French pig iron. It’s far better than the off the peg Milteks, Scorpions etc, but also a far cry from a proper motorsport exhaust. I think anyone that does cartwheels about an Orbisound’s quality has never seen a proper race exhaust.

I’m also not a fan of the inwardly rolled outlets or the slightly pointed down angle they have. I’d much prefer a straight cut pipe like that of the cup racers. I’d also like to try it with a sports cat and delete the centre silencer.
Not sure if I can bring myself to cut up an Orbisoud to have other tips fitted, probably cheaper to sell it and buy a different system.

Overall I like it for the most part and if you like the asthetics of them, i don’t think you’d be disappointed buying one. It certainly sounds nice.

Ive also found Orbisouds customer service and response to be absolutely appalling.
This alone makes me not want to own one as they’re not cheap. To buy one at £850/£900 it’s strong money, but £1300 quid though, not a chance.

I may still sell it, so if anyones genuinely interested I could move it on to chase something even better, all be it at greater cost.