Suzuki Jimny SZ5

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595Heaven

2,412 posts

78 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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josh00mac said:
So these are coming back as commercials. Anyone got any idea when? Sold through main dealer or commercial centres?!
Their press release didn't include any timing information

Phooey

12,600 posts

169 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Great thread (admittedly only just in last 5 mins found it so haven't read very post) smile

Only just started looking at these so forgive me if been mentioned before... but am I right in thinking they are selling for above list price? I really like them and just had a brief ganders through the classifieds and from what i can work out is they were approx £19k list but around £25k for a 20/70 plate.

Few questions

1/ Is the vehicle security ok or does it need upgrading? Would be parked on street.

2/ Service intervals?

3/ I imagine the seating position is upright but is it bit less upright or more than the old Defender? I have a dodgy disc in lower back.

4/ Commercial. A quick look online and rumours Suzuki are bringing it back as a commercial vehicle. I could genuinely use it for the business. Any further updates on pricing and availability for the commercial?

Cheers

Mikebentley

6,105 posts

140 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Salesman at Suzuki told me that the commercial was coming too. As I think was alluded to in this and other threads commercials are not subject to the same regulations.

300bhp/ton

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41,030 posts

190 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Phooey said:
Great thread (admittedly only just in last 5 mins found it so haven't read very post) smile

Only just started looking at these so forgive me if been mentioned before... but am I right in thinking they are selling for above list price? I really like them and just had a brief ganders through the classifieds and from what i can work out is they were approx £19k list but around £25k for a 20/70 plate.
Thanks smile

Yes prices do seem to be higher than list price. The SZ5 (top spec) was about £19k with the only real option being paint (£500) or and autobox (£1000). The SZ4 is lower spec and lacks the LED headlights, alloy wheels, centre screen and a few other minor bits. I think these were in the region of £2k cheaper than the SZ5.

I haven't studied the used market, but I suspect you'd need in the region of £22-25k to buy one at the moment. There are I believe still a few new ones coming in, but generally with big waiting lists. And there are some pre-registered ones being sold at mark-up by some Suzuki franchises.

Phooey said:
Few questions

1/ Is the vehicle security ok or does it need upgrading? Would be parked on street.
I think security is pretty much the same as most modern cars. Remote keyfob central locking and immobiliser.

Phooey said:
2/ Service intervals?
Think it's 10 or 12k miles or yearly.

Phooey said:
3/ I imagine the seating position is upright but is it bit less upright or more than the old Defender? I have a dodgy disc in lower back.
It's quite a similar seating position. I personally find it very comfy (but I like the Defender seating position too). I also have a dodgy back.

Phooey said:
4/ Commercial. A quick look online and rumours Suzuki are bringing it back as a commercial vehicle. I could genuinely use it for the business. Any further updates on pricing and availability for the commercial?

Cheers
I've heard the rumours. I don't think there has been much official word on available, spec or timescales as of yet. Personally I'd expect there still to be low supply and long waiting lists. It also wouldn't surprise me if they up the price to nearer the £22-24k mark. As they seem to be able to sell them for this kind of money now.

Phooey

12,600 posts

169 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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300bhp/ton said:
Phooey said:
Great thread (admittedly only just in last 5 mins found it so haven't read very post) smile

Only just started looking at these so forgive me if been mentioned before... but am I right in thinking they are selling for above list price? I really like them and just had a brief ganders through the classifieds and from what i can work out is they were approx £19k list but around £25k for a 20/70 plate.
Thanks smile

Yes prices do seem to be higher than list price. The SZ5 (top spec) was about £19k with the only real option being paint (£500) or and autobox (£1000). The SZ4 is lower spec and lacks the LED headlights, alloy wheels, centre screen and a few other minor bits. I think these were in the region of £2k cheaper than the SZ5.

I haven't studied the used market, but I suspect you'd need in the region of £22-25k to buy one at the moment. There are I believe still a few new ones coming in, but generally with big waiting lists. And there are some pre-registered ones being sold at mark-up by some Suzuki franchises.

Phooey said:
Few questions

1/ Is the vehicle security ok or does it need upgrading? Would be parked on street.
I think security is pretty much the same as most modern cars. Remote keyfob central locking and immobiliser.

Phooey said:
2/ Service intervals?
Think it's 10 or 12k miles or yearly.

Phooey said:
3/ I imagine the seating position is upright but is it bit less upright or more than the old Defender? I have a dodgy disc in lower back.
It's quite a similar seating position. I personally find it very comfy (but I like the Defender seating position too). I also have a dodgy back.

Phooey said:
4/ Commercial. A quick look online and rumours Suzuki are bringing it back as a commercial vehicle. I could genuinely use it for the business. Any further updates on pricing and availability for the commercial?

Cheers
I've heard the rumours. I don't think there has been much official word on available, spec or timescales as of yet. Personally I'd expect there still to be low supply and long waiting lists. It also wouldn't surprise me if they up the price to nearer the £22-24k mark. As they seem to be able to sell them for this kind of money now.
Thanks for reply mate

Love the mods to yours btw! I quite like the look of the steel wheels so an SZ4 would be ideal for me. In blue. Nearest dealership to me is possibly Melton Mowbary so I'm going to register my interest in the commercial. Amazing how popular they are!

I'm glad I've found this thread because it's genuinely got me thinking of a Jimny (to replace a VW Amarok) biggrin

Mikebentley

6,105 posts

140 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Suzuki do an anorak.

SL22

200 posts

125 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Phooey said:
Great thread (admittedly only just in last 5 mins found it so haven't read very post) smile

Only just started looking at these so forgive me if been mentioned before... but am I right in thinking they are selling for above list price? I really like them and just had a brief ganders through the classifieds and from what i can work out is they were approx £19k list but around £25k for a 20/70 plate.

Few questions

1/ Is the vehicle security ok or does it need upgrading? Would be parked on street.

2/ Service intervals?

3/ I imagine the seating position is upright but is it bit less upright or more than the old Defender? I have a dodgy disc in lower back.

4/ Commercial. A quick look online and rumours Suzuki are bringing it back as a commercial vehicle. I could genuinely use it for the business. Any further updates on pricing and availability for the commercial?

Cheers
You’d be very hard pressed to find an actual brand new car now. Pretty much all that might have been available, as say someone who cancelled/changed their mind will have been pre-registered by a dealer and then a huge mark up added.

List price continued to go up across the 18 months they’ve been on sale. The highest spec SZ5 was £17999 originally (SZ4 - £15499), but by mid-2020 base price list was £19249 for a SZ5 (SZ4 had stopped being imported to the UK in 2020). White was no cost and then a few plain colours (black, silver) about £500 and the two-tone metallic (blue/black roof, kinetic/black, chiffon ivory/black) were £650.

As mentioned there was never enough available and dealers very quickly started adding lots of optional extras to cars and telling customers the cars ‘came like that’ and to take it or leave it at that price - there was always someone willing to pay over the list. Classics were shiny silver bits on the front and sides that were charged at £1k+

As a habit I’ve checked the stock on autotrader every day since December 2018, when they first came out. Most 68 plate cars that are now coming available are the dealer demos. These were registered in December 2018 and they had to keep them for at least a year and Suzuki wouldn’t give them another if they sold it. The first real batch of customer cars were late and so are on a 19 plate - I ‘ordered’ in summer 2018 as one of the first even before they were officially announced and I didn’t get my car until May 2019.

As it stands today autotrader has over 70 cars available which is the most there has ever been. If you want one then the prices you see on there are almost all you have to choose from. The 2019 cars are from about £22k, with some pre-registered 70 cars from dealers starting at £25k+.

The commercial is coming in 2021, but it’s almost certainly going to be ‘base spec SZ4’ only, though likely with dark glass rear side windows, rather than metal, so should be able to have rear seats put in. Numbers are rumoured to be even more limited than the current car, with no confirmation of price.

Personal view, but Suzuki UK (as the company that decided the sales strategy/allocation) and then many, many of the dealers themselves have been absolutely abysmal in looking after and trying to help get cars for (loyal) customers, or people who ‘ordered’ the car. They’ve just seen the Pound signs of new customers who have seen it as a trendy new car they want, and have seen to get maximum profit - hence the massive mark-ups by dealers after pre-registering and adding options people didn’t want - Suzuki uk just wash their hands of that side as once the car is ‘sold’ (to the dealer, not a customer) it’s outside of their control. Now nothing wrong with that in business, but the upshot is a lot of angry and dismayed people. Those who do get them though are overwhelmingly in love with their cars. Rightly so, they’re a real ‘modern retro’, quirky car the likes of which you struggle to find from any other company.

AJB88

12,404 posts

171 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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is the boot non existent on these?

SL22

200 posts

125 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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AJB88 said:
is the boot non existent on these?
About the width of a pair of shoes...put the back seats down and it’s a nice size, with decent access as long as you can swing the rear door fully open.

irish boy

3,535 posts

236 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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SL22 said:
You’d be very hard pressed to find an actual brand new car now. Pretty much all that might have been available, as say someone who cancelled/changed their mind will have been pre-registered by a dealer and then a huge mark up added.

List price continued to go up across the 18 months they’ve been on sale. The highest spec SZ5 was £17999 originally (SZ4 - £15499), but by mid-2020 base price list was £19249 for a SZ5 (SZ4 had stopped being imported to the UK in 2020). White was no cost and then a few plain colours (black, silver) about £500 and the two-tone metallic (blue/black roof, kinetic/black, chiffon ivory/black) were £650.

As mentioned there was never enough available and dealers very quickly started adding lots of optional extras to cars and telling customers the cars ‘came like that’ and to take it or leave it at that price - there was always someone willing to pay over the list. Classics were shiny silver bits on the front and sides that were charged at £1k+

As a habit I’ve checked the stock on autotrader every day since December 2018, when they first came out. Most 68 plate cars that are now coming available are the dealer demos. These were registered in December 2018 and they had to keep them for at least a year and Suzuki wouldn’t give them another if they sold it. The first real batch of customer cars were late and so are on a 19 plate - I ‘ordered’ in summer 2018 as one of the first even before they were officially announced and I didn’t get my car until May 2019.

As it stands today autotrader has over 70 cars available which is the most there has ever been. If you want one then the prices you see on there are almost all you have to choose from. The 2019 cars are from about £22k, with some pre-registered 70 cars from dealers starting at £25k+.

The commercial is coming in 2021, but it’s almost certainly going to be ‘base spec SZ4’ only, though likely with dark glass rear side windows, rather than metal, so should be able to have rear seats put in. Numbers are rumoured to be even more limited than the current car, with no confirmation of price.

Personal view, but Suzuki UK (as the company that decided the sales strategy/allocation) and then many, many of the dealers themselves have been absolutely abysmal in looking after and trying to help get cars for (loyal) customers, or people who ‘ordered’ the car. They’ve just seen the Pound signs of new customers who have seen it as a trendy new car they want, and have seen to get maximum profit - hence the massive mark-ups by dealers after pre-registering and adding options people didn’t want - Suzuki uk just wash their hands of that side as once the car is ‘sold’ (to the dealer, not a customer) it’s outside of their control. Now nothing wrong with that in business, but the upshot is a lot of angry and dismayed people. Those who do get them though are overwhelmingly in love with their cars. Rightly so, they’re a real ‘modern retro’, quirky car the likes of which you struggle to find from any other company.
Great info. Can’t really blame Suzuki, if people are willing to pay it the dealers will charge it and take the turn when it’s there. It’s not great news for the enthusiast hoping to pick one up at some stage.

Phooey

12,600 posts

169 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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SL22 said:
You’d be very hard pressed to find an actual brand new car now. Pretty much all that might have been available, as say someone who cancelled/changed their mind will have been pre-registered by a dealer and then a huge mark up added.

List price continued to go up across the 18 months they’ve been on sale. The highest spec SZ5 was £17999 originally (SZ4 - £15499), but by mid-2020 base price list was £19249 for a SZ5 (SZ4 had stopped being imported to the UK in 2020). White was no cost and then a few plain colours (black, silver) about £500 and the two-tone metallic (blue/black roof, kinetic/black, chiffon ivory/black) were £650.

As mentioned there was never enough available and dealers very quickly started adding lots of optional extras to cars and telling customers the cars ‘came like that’ and to take it or leave it at that price - there was always someone willing to pay over the list. Classics were shiny silver bits on the front and sides that were charged at £1k+

As a habit I’ve checked the stock on autotrader every day since December 2018, when they first came out. Most 68 plate cars that are now coming available are the dealer demos. These were registered in December 2018 and they had to keep them for at least a year and Suzuki wouldn’t give them another if they sold it. The first real batch of customer cars were late and so are on a 19 plate - I ‘ordered’ in summer 2018 as one of the first even before they were officially announced and I didn’t get my car until May 2019.

As it stands today autotrader has over 70 cars available which is the most there has ever been. If you want one then the prices you see on there are almost all you have to choose from. The 2019 cars are from about £22k, with some pre-registered 70 cars from dealers starting at £25k+.

The commercial is coming in 2021, but it’s almost certainly going to be ‘base spec SZ4’ only, though likely with dark glass rear side windows, rather than metal, so should be able to have rear seats put in. Numbers are rumoured to be even more limited than the current car, with no confirmation of price.

Personal view, but Suzuki UK (as the company that decided the sales strategy/allocation) and then many, many of the dealers themselves have been absolutely abysmal in looking after and trying to help get cars for (loyal) customers, or people who ‘ordered’ the car. They’ve just seen the Pound signs of new customers who have seen it as a trendy new car they want, and have seen to get maximum profit - hence the massive mark-ups by dealers after pre-registering and adding options people didn’t want - Suzuki uk just wash their hands of that side as once the car is ‘sold’ (to the dealer, not a customer) it’s outside of their control. Now nothing wrong with that in business, but the upshot is a lot of angry and dismayed people. Those who do get them though are overwhelmingly in love with their cars. Rightly so, they’re a real ‘modern retro’, quirky car the likes of which you struggle to find from any other company.
Brilliant info mate, thank you. If I get some time I'm going to make a few enquiries into the commercial this week and see what info I get back from the dealers. I'd be happy for a legitimate commercial without the rear seats - it would actually come in handy as if I bought the 4-seater I'd be putting the rear seats down most of the time anyway. Until Friday night (it was actually watching a Matt Watson Carwow video) I'd never looked at the Jimny - I wanted to know what all the fuss was about so had a Google and it brought me to a few threads and reviews like this one. It actually got me quite excited to explore deeper into what the Jimny is all about. The car actually makes a lot of sense.

Cheers beer

leef44

4,388 posts

153 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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Wow, pre-registration and added mark up!

I never thought I would see the day when a Suzuki is in the same marketing category as a 911 gt3RS.

However, the desire is there. I think the Jimny is a very desirable vehicle.

SL22

200 posts

125 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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Phooey said:
Brilliant info mate, thank you. If I get some time I'm going to make a few enquiries into the commercial this week and see what info I get back from the dealers. I'd be happy for a legitimate commercial without the rear seats - it would actually come in handy as if I bought the 4-seater I'd be putting the rear seats down most of the time anyway.
Yes, very few people say they use the rear seats, and there are a few options for official ‘trays’ that can go over them, as they are quite ‘slippy’ material.

Best advice I can give if they do it the same way as the normal car is to ring/email as many dealers as you can and ‘put your name down’ for the commercial one. I’m talking 20-30 to give you a good chance. For the original car it seems there wasn’t such a thing as a customer order. Suzuki UK told the dealers they would get an allocation of XX cars per quarter, roughly based on the previous sales of the dealership, and there wasn’t a choice of colour/spec.

So the dealer may have got one black SZ5, but if the first 3 people who ‘ordered’ with them didn’t order that car they would usually have then offered it in the order a deposit was taken, though some may have just gone straight to say the 15th person on the waiting list who had asked for a black SZ5. Hence it was unknown which cars and how many the dealer you put your name down with would get, and then you didn’t know how your particular dealer would do it (as in offer in order or deposit, or just ‘jump the queue’ style of giving the car that came in to the person that originally wanted that spec.). So it wasn’t a case of Suzuki Uk sending cars in the order they were ‘ordered’ dealer by dealer. And if one dealer got an auto ivory car, that very few wanted, it suddenly appeared as ‘available’ for anyone to buy and so someone who wanted that car could again ‘jump the queue’ of the thousands.

It was just a mess of a situation, which if it had been consistent and applied the same with each dealer customers could have understood, but it was all a bit ‘hush, hush’ for a very long time. So, as I say, if they do the same then just let lots of different dealers know you want one and you’ll just greatly increase you chances.

Phooey

12,600 posts

169 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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SL22 said:
Yes, very few people say they use the rear seats, and there are a few options for official ‘trays’ that can go over them, as they are quite ‘slippy’ material.

Best advice I can give if they do it the same way as the normal car is to ring/email as many dealers as you can and ‘put your name down’ for the commercial one. I’m talking 20-30 to give you a good chance. For the original car it seems there wasn’t such a thing as a customer order. Suzuki UK told the dealers they would get an allocation of XX cars per quarter, roughly based on the previous sales of the dealership, and there wasn’t a choice of colour/spec.

So the dealer may have got one black SZ5, but if the first 3 people who ‘ordered’ with them didn’t order that car they would usually have then offered it in the order a deposit was taken, though some may have just gone straight to say the 15th person on the waiting list who had asked for a black SZ5. Hence it was unknown which cars and how many the dealer you put your name down with would get, and then you didn’t know how your particular dealer would do it (as in offer in order or deposit, or just ‘jump the queue’ style of giving the car that came in to the person that originally wanted that spec.). So it wasn’t a case of Suzuki Uk sending cars in the order they were ‘ordered’ dealer by dealer. And if one dealer got an auto ivory car, that very few wanted, it suddenly appeared as ‘available’ for anyone to buy and so someone who wanted that car could again ‘jump the queue’ of the thousands.

It was just a mess of a situation, which if it had been consistent and applied the same with each dealer customers could have understood, but it was all a bit ‘hush, hush’ for a very long time. So, as I say, if they do the same then just let lots of different dealers know you want one and you’ll just greatly increase you chances.
Brill, thanks again SL22 smile

I've spoken to approx 8 or 10 dealers in the last hour just to enquire (and put my name down for a commercial!) and from what I can gather is each dealer I have spoken to so far has at least 6 or 7 people on the waiting list for either a Jimny or Jimny Commercial. Apparently those that won't now get the normal Jimny are happy to buy the commercial as a 'seat pack' is likely to be an option - the guy who told me this also seemed to know his stuff. The one dealer I put my name down at (for the commercial) didn't need or want a deposit but most of the others wanted some money up front.

Looking through the Suzuki classifieds I like the look of the one in the link below. Sadly I don't like the price of it biggrin

Out of interest does anyone know what these option packs give and costed - Urban, Protection and Street ?


https://ucl.suzuki.co.uk/cars/used/used/suzuki/jim...

ps - Hope the OP doesn't mind me hijacking his thread.. happy to tag onto another if so!

Thanks

SL22

200 posts

125 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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Phooey said:
Looking through the Suzuki classifieds I like the look of the one in the link below. Sadly I don't like the price of it biggrin

Out of interest does anyone know what these option packs give and costed - Urban, Protection and Street ?


https://ucl.suzuki.co.uk/cars/used/used/suzuki/jim...

ps - Hope the OP doesn't mind me hijacking his thread.. happy to tag onto another if so!

Thanks
This is the price list for the packs back at the start of 2019 when they were first released. Though of course the ‘discount’ for the pack never really happened...quite the opposite...dealers adding on extra £s to the asking price through including these packs.



You can see individual prices of accessories on some current dealer sites, like this one

Then there is a massive aftermarket scene already. Just one example of a UK based one is this. In the forums and groups it seems those people very rarely leave the car ‘standard’!

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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I drove one of these up and down steep mountain roads and tracks, across rocks, through mud, and on beaches in the BVI last year. It was great! I can't afford one!

Phooey

12,600 posts

169 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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SL22 said:
This is the price list for the packs back at the start of 2019 when they were first released. Though of course the ‘discount’ for the pack never really happened...quite the opposite...dealers adding on extra £s to the asking price through including these packs.



You can see individual prices of accessories on some current dealer sites, like this one

Then there is a massive aftermarket scene already. Just one example of a UK based one is this. In the forums and groups it seems those people very rarely leave the car ‘standard’!
Cheers SL22, that's brilliant info thank you so much mate! I'll print that off.

That aftermarket site looks like a good excuse to make a coffee and have a good ganders too thumbup

In the meantime I've set up a Saved Search on Autotrader smile

Thanks again smilesmile

595Heaven

2,412 posts

78 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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Phooey said:
Apparently those that won't now get the normal Jimny are happy to buy the commercial as a 'seat pack' is likely to be an option -
If the Jimny Commercial is registered as an N1 (commercial) vehicle, then adding rear seats, even if possible in a safe way (mounting points and seatbelt mountings are usually removed or rendered unusable) won't be a legal option as far as I know. If you reclaim the VAT on the purchase and take the BIK / VED benefit you could land yourself with a big bill if found out...

Such a shame they've not found a powertrain that is more WLTP friendly to get the passenger car back on sale - it is a very desirable little thing.

Mikebentley

6,105 posts

140 months

Wednesday 4th November 2020
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And the commercial would I believe attract the £250.00 RFL as per all small vans. Not a deal breaker but still annoying.

300bhp/ton

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190 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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A bit muddy perhaps. But a chance to get out and about a bit...