Panic buying a pandemic Ferrari

[anonymous-user]

Slippydiff said:

Whilst the crank is a flat plane item in the 308/348/355/360, the 360 Modena uses a different firing order .
However the 348, and 355 which use the same firing order as the earlier car can be given a proper flat plane V8 wail with the right exhaust, whereas the 308 seems to struggle in this department.
The transverse installation of the engine/transmission in the 308 makes the exhaust packaging more difficult, and the car runs 4 into 2 into 1 manifolds, whereas the later cars run 4 into 1 manifolds, and the real screamers (S-Line, Kreissieg etc exhausts seem to run X pipes)

308 firing order : 1, 5, 3, 7, 4, 8, 2, 6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJiP3MDmceA

348 : 1, 5, 3, 7, 4, 8, 2, 6

https://youtu.be/0aoogO7PGGg?t=31

355 : 1, 5, 3, 7, 4, 8, 2, 6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtAw4XMEn7o

360 : 1-8-3-6-4-5-2-7 (allegedly shared with the Cosworth DFV ... )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3WSUMeH7Lo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL-FCMD0d-Q

And the 360 in its most extreme guise :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olB-IgdrRvk

Ryan Edwards is a very good exhaust fabricator, I'm sure he'll come up with something considerably better sounding then the Superformance sports exhaust.

You need to know the cylinder number layout for the engine to compare firing order.

For example a Ford and Cosworth DFV has cylinder 1-4 on one bank and 5-8 on the other, a Chevy has them alternating so you have 1-3-5-7 on one side and 2-4-6-8 on the other.

The Ferrari 360 cylinder layout isn't listed in the owners manual, so to match the DFV firing order it would have to follow the 1-4, 5-8 layout with cylinder 1 and 5 at the front of the engine.

Ryan does indeed do great work, he makes all the systems on the racecars i build.

[jayemm89]

I did think that the noise issue might be a manifold problem - there is a system for the 550/575 by Fiammenghi which makes them sound more like an F12, the big change is the manifold layout

[shalmaneser]

Could the inlet system be negatively affecting the engine note? Back in the day these could be very restrictive. Might be worth running without the air filter attached to see what open trumpets would sound like...

[Slippydiff]

jsf said:

You need to know the cylinder number layout for the engine to compare firing order.

For example a Ford and Cosworth DFV has cylinder 1-4 on one bank and 5-8 on the other, a Chevy has them alternating so you have 1-3-5-7 on one side and 2-4-6-8 on the other.

The Ferrari 360 cylinder layout isn't listed in the owners manual, so to match the DFV firing order it would have to follow the 1-4, 5-8 layout with cylinder 1 and 5 at the front of the engine.

Ryan does indeed do great work, he makes all the systems on the racecars i build.

Yes, as you’ve so rightly said, the firing order means nothing if we’re not aware of the location of the cylinders !!
I’ve plagiarised this from an Internet :

First of all, it depends on how the cylinders are numbered by the manufacturer. Some number their engines with number 1 on the right bank (1,3,5,7), number 2 front left (2,4,6,8) and so on, one accross from the other. Some have number 1 on the left front cylinder and number straight down that side to number 4 (1,2,3,4) and the front right cylinder is number 5 going back to number 8 (5,6,7,8) on the right bank. Ferrari numbers theirs starting on the right front with number 4, and continue on that bank 4,3,2,1. The other bank would be 8,7,6,5. In a flat plane V, regardless of the numbering system, the firing order always fires one bank, then the other bank. Notice the firing orders you listed. All have one side firing, then the other. All have numbers 1 and 4, 360 degrees apart.

No matter, the later cars do sound phenomenal, and whilst the 308’s exhaust is very much “in character” and befitting of what is effectively two Fiat twin cam engines Siamesed onto a common crankcase, one can’t help thinking it’s exhaust note could be made slightly less harsh and a tad more mellifluous.
Sorry Antony !!

[carinaman]

Sounds good with the lid off of the air cleaner.

[Usget]

Slippydiff said:

Whilst the crank is a flat plane item in the 308/348/355/360, the 360 Modena uses a different firing order .
However the 348, and 355 which use the same firing order as the earlier car can be given a proper flat plane V8 wail with the right exhaust, whereas the 308 seems to struggle in this department.
The transverse installation of the engine/transmission in the 308 makes the exhaust packaging more difficult, and the car runs 4 into 2 into 1 manifolds, whereas the later cars run 4 into 1 manifolds, and the real screamers (S-Line, Kreissieg etc exhausts seem to run X pipes)

308 firing order : 1, 5, 3, 7, 4, 8, 2, 6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJiP3MDmceA

348 : 1, 5, 3, 7, 4, 8, 2, 6

https://youtu.be/0aoogO7PGGg?t=31

355 : 1, 5, 3, 7, 4, 8, 2, 6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtAw4XMEn7o

360 : 1-8-3-6-4-5-2-7 (allegedly shared with the Cosworth DFV ... )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3WSUMeH7Lo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL-FCMD0d-Q

And the 360 in its most extreme guise :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olB-IgdrRvk

Ryan Edwards is a very good exhaust fabricator, I'm sure he'll come up with something considerably better sounding then the Superformance sports exhaust.

Bloody hell, has someone dubbed a 90s F1 car over that last video?

[jackpe]

This Friday’s slice of InfluEnzo!!
Airbox mods improve the sound and should I go back to the original colour, white??

https://youtu.be/h7JjWKwakNE

[carinaman]

Nice photo.

Jay Leno drove a white one in one of his videos. It looks good in the still of it in his 'garage'. I've not watched the video. The UK isn't sunny California or Côte d'Azur.

Does it need paint?

[Watchman]

Definitely stay red

[outnumbered]

Red.

Much better with a bit of induction noise (I would say that as the owner of a car that is ALL induction noise!)

[jackpe]

carinaman said:

Nice photo.

Jay Leno drove a white one in one of his videos. It looks good in the still of it in his 'garage'. I've not watched the video. The UK isn't sunny California or Côte d'Azur.

Does it need paint?

It will at some point.. but I could leave it as is.. probably will

[jackpe]

outnumbered said:

Red.

Much better with a bit of induction noise (I would say that as the owner of a car that is ALL induction noise!)

What car is that??

[Majorslow]

I am fortunate enough to live near Lyndhurst, and have on very few occasions seen Blue Ferrari's there....they are the doh dahs for me.....

But the red is nice....def not white.

I am ignorant of the gear layout, on your video's it looks like you are pulling away in second gear.....is reverse where 1st is on a bog standard car?

Thanks for sharing this "purchase" with us

[carinaman]

jackpe said:

It will at some point.. but I could leave it as is.. probably will.

I'm tight. Returning Influenzo to white Vs spending that money on the 205.

[Gallons Per Mile]

Stay red!

If you changed it to white it would look so fantastically eighties that you'd need to wear the 'tash full time. And possibly a mullet too...

[outnumbered]

jackpe said:

What car is that??

CSL

[paulyv]

Are you, like me, a contrary so-and-so? I prefer the red, but so rarely see one of these and when I do they are always Magnum-coloured (red, like the series, not brown like the lolly). I'd dearly love to see a pristine white one on the roads!

[anonymous-user]

Obsidian Black Pearl would be my colour choice.

[Mezzanine]

There is a good reason it has changed colour in the past, please don’t paint it white!

Maybe you should get it wrapped in the pattern of the lucky PJ’s?

[mercedeslimos]

Majorslow said:

I am fortunate enough to live near Lyndhurst, and have on very few occasions seen Blue Ferrari's there....they are the doh dahs for me.....

But the red is nice....def not white.

I am ignorant of the gear layout, on your video's it looks like you are pulling away in second gear.....is reverse where 1st is on a bog standard car?

Thanks for sharing this "purchase" with us

I assume it's got a "dogleg" box.

Reverse forward left, first back left. H-pattern backwards probably too, so 2nd is where first normally, 3rd where 2nd would be, 4th where third would be and 5th where 4th would be. Drive a commercial with this layout, you have to be on the ball especially if you hop into it from the car!