Lockdown Imminent (Vol. 2)

[Scrump]

Continued from here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Pesty]

Does this sound right?

Mentioned earlier mother in law is in hospital allowed 1 visitor only. ( has to be same one)

Wednesday they told her no visitors any more.

Thursday they told us she was Covid positive. But we don’t need to get tested. Bear in mind my other half has been bathing her, bringing home soiled clothes for washing etc.

I asked she ring up again and confirm because it doesn’t sound right at all to me and she was told no need to do anything Because on “Wednesday when other half was there she didn’t have it“ she had it Thursday

Am I losing my fking mind? Apparently the Whole ward has it but nobody is really sick just bad cold.....

So all this track and trace , restrictions everywhere but we are fine to go anywhere and do what we want according to nurses? Even though we’ve had close contact with a Covid positive person.

What’s the point of all this again?

Edited by Pesty on Sunday 18th October 19:22

[sim72]

towser44 said:

My 8 year old was off all last week and because she went to after school club and the teacher there tested positive too (but at a later date) she can't go back until Thursday now rather than Tuesday when her class goes back. The mother of one her class mates works at the same school, but whilst her daughter has to stay at home like mine, she actually could (and did) carry on going to work. Makes sense doesn't it, not!

The basic logic does actually make sense.

In this case, you've got a staff member whose daughter is in the same bubble as another student who was taught by a teacher who tested positive. That's three degrees of separation. As long as the two staff members haven't had direct contact, they will not be sent home.

If you think about it (and especially in a secondary school) if you sent home every member of staff that had that amount of separation with a positive case, you'd end up closing the school every time there was a single case.

[Louis Balfour]

Can someone who is interested in the new rules clarify a coule of things please?

In Tier 2, can my friend still visit his girlfiend? He is in Nottingham (Tier 2) and she is in Birmingham.

In Tier 2, can we meet my parents in law for a meal in a restaurant? They aren't mixing with anyone else at time. If not, does a tented area outside the restaurant count as "outdoors" and is it then OK?

I ask because what a conservative politician said on TV last week was that there were no more support bubbles above Tier 1, but the .gov website suggests otherwise.

[MellowshipSlinky]

Louis Balfour said:

Can someone who is interested in the new rules clarify a coule of things please?

In Tier 2, can my friend still visit his girlfiend? He is in Nottingham (Tier 2) and she is in Birmingham.

In Tier 2, can we meet my parents in law for a meal in a restaurant? They aren't mixing with anyone else at time. If not, does a tented area outside the restaurant count as "outdoors" and is it then OK?

I ask because what a conservative politician said on TV last week was that there were no more support bubbles above Tier 1, but the .gov website suggests otherwise.

Your ‘friend’....?

[julianm]

The cases map has been updated with some new features showing changes & thankfully some decent colours to identify rates in each area.
https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/details/in...

[popeyewhite]

interstellar said:

It really is a st storm. My daughters school has just sent home year 11 for 2 weeks based off one case.
All come back after half term please when if another one of you gets it we will send you all home again. They will be lucky to be back a week before being off again.

This isn’t a long term strategy, it’s a mess.

Surely if correct distancing has been observed then only the pupils that sit at desks within 2 metres in every direction of the infected child should quarantine? Perhaps I've missed something... .

[Boringvolvodriver]

julianm said:

The cases map has been updated with some new features showing changes & thankfully some decent colours to identify rates in each area.
https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/details/in...

Easier to see where the cases are - and the comparison to the average helpful.

What it shows to me is that for whatever reason, the north is being harder hit with “cases” than the south - is that due to more testing or is there something else going on?

[V88Dicky]

Louis Balfour said:

Can someone who is interested in the new rules clarify a coule of things please?

In Tier 2, can my friend still visit his girlfiend? He is in Nottingham (Tier 2) and she is in Birmingham.

In Tier 2, can we meet my parents in law for a meal in a restaurant? They aren't mixing with anyone else at time. If not, does a tented area outside the restaurant count as "outdoors" and is it then OK?

I ask because what a conservative politician said on TV last week was that there were no more support bubbles above Tier 1, but the .gov website suggests otherwise.

I'm in Tier 2, for reference, and have been since Sept 18th, so I'm a veteran

Basically, unless you, or anyone you know are coughing and wheezing, go about your business.

It's all a load of st.

HTH

[RammyMP]

V88Dicky said:

Louis Balfour said:

Can someone who is interested in the new rules clarify a coule of things please?

In Tier 2, can my friend still visit his girlfiend? He is in Nottingham (Tier 2) and she is in Birmingham.

In Tier 2, can we meet my parents in law for a meal in a restaurant? They aren't mixing with anyone else at time. If not, does a tented area outside the restaurant count as "outdoors" and is it then OK?

I ask because what a conservative politician said on TV last week was that there were no more support bubbles above Tier 1, but the .gov website suggests otherwise.

I'm in Tier 2, for reference, and have been since Sept 18th, so I'm a veteran

Basically, unless you, or anyone you know are coughing and wheezing, go about your business.

It's all a load of st.

HTH

I agree, if you aren’t coughing and have still got your sense of taste, carry on.

Follow the example that has been set by those in power.

[Lily the Pink]

RammyMP said:

Follow the example that has been set by those in power.

Ooh that's great, thanks - I've always wanted to go to Barnard Castle. All I need do is wait until I test positive and off I go.

[sim72]

popeyewhite said:

interstellar said:

It really is a st storm. My daughters school has just sent home year 11 for 2 weeks based off one case.
All come back after half term please when if another one of you gets it we will send you all home again. They will be lucky to be back a week before being off again.

This isn’t a long term strategy, it’s a mess.

Surely if correct distancing has been observed then only the pupils that sit at desks within 2 metres in every direction of the infected child should quarantine? Perhaps I've missed something... .

There is no social distancing in classrooms. Apart from the fact that the Government says it is unnecessary, it simply can't be done for the pure logistics of space.

Plus the whole bubble mixes at lunchtimes. And of course in a secondary, that's a whole year group.

[popeyewhite]

sim72 said:

There is no social distancing in classrooms. Apart from the fact that the Government says it is unnecessary, it simply can't be done for the pure logistics of space.

Plus the whole bubble mixes at lunchtimes. And of course in a secondary, that's a whole year group.

I see, thanks.

[b0rk]

Boringvolvodriver said:

Easier to see where the cases are - and the comparison to the average helpful.

What it shows to me is that for whatever reason, the north is being harder hit with “cases” than the south - is that due to more testing or is there something else going on?

I can only theorise that the reopening of schools is a key part of northern cases outside of universities.
Taking a few simple assumptions the sub-regions being hit hardest have significant element of deprivation so logically the parents of school age children are not WfH but in environments where social distancing is not particularly possible and more over the after school support network consists primarily of older relatives. The children are quite literally "killing granny" by going to school.

Whitty and JVD talking about how the cases spread from the young to the old with a lag strongly suggests that in person schooling must be a vector for the spread.

In the south parents are either more likely to be WfH or the after school support network relies less on older relatives and more on organised events and clubs or flexible working.

Any one got a better explanation?

[sim72]

b0rk said:

I can only theorise that the reopening of schools is a key part of northern cases outside of universities.
Taking a few simple assumptions the sub-regions being hit hardest have significant element of deprivation so logically the parents of school age children are not WfH but in environments where social distancing is not particularly possible and more over the after school support network consists primarily of older relatives. The children are quite literally "killing granny" by going to school.

Whitty and JVD talking about how the cases spread from the young to the old with a lag strongly suggests that in person schooling must be a vector for the spread.

In the south parents are either more likely to be WfH or the after school support network relies less on older relatives and more on organised events and clubs or flexible working.

Any one got a better explanation?

We were told by the local HPT bod that schools were almost certainly the major driver for the increase in cases since the start of September. The PHE figures appear to back this up.

However, it appears to be verboten for any politician to suggest this.

The most comical example was Starmer suggesting a circuit breaker lockdown ... but keeping schools open. Yeah, that'll work.

[John Locke]

Pesty said:

Does this sound right?

Mentioned earlier mother in law is in hospital allowed 1 visitor only. ( has to be same one)

Wednesday they told her no visitors any more.

Thursday they told us she was Covid positive. But we don’t need to get tested. Bear in mind my other half has been bathing her, bringing home soiled clothes for washing etc.

I asked she ring up again and confirm because it doesn’t sound right at all to me and she was told no need to do anything Because on “Wednesday when other half was there she didn’t have it“ she had it Thursday

Am I losing my fking mind? Apparently the Whole ward has it but nobody is really sick just bad cold.....

So all this track and trace , restrictions everywhere but we are fine to go anywhere and do what we want according to nurses? Even though we’ve had close contact with a Covid positive person.

What’s the point of all this again?

Edited by Pesty on Sunday 18th October 19:22

The point is to brush the complete mishandling of the CV-19 "threat" under the carpet, and to cow the populace into doing as instructed by BJ and Handjob without question.

[skinnyman]

Maybe its about time we pushed for a 2 week lockdown, a full proper lockdown, as hard as we can go.

THEN, when it makes sod all difference, we can kindly ask the government to stop doing them, as they don't work. Perhaps thats why they're reluctant, because if it makes sod all difference then they're screwed

[Ructions]

skinnyman said:

Maybe its about time we pushed for a 2 week lockdown, a full proper lockdown, as hard as we can go.

THEN, when it makes sod all difference, we can kindly ask the government to stop doing them, as they don't work. Perhaps thats why they're reluctant, because if it makes sod all difference then they're screwed

Is two weeks long enough? We're possible looking at a six week lockdown here in Ireland from tomorrow. The virus is rampant here at the minute, moreso in the north. First time round it was a friend of a friend of a friend who had it. Now it's a lot closer to home, in my case my sister has tested positive. She's very fatigued and can't taste, but otherwise ok. Local barber, barman, it's rampant and we all need to step up and act responsibly.

[leef44]

Ructions said:

skinnyman said:

Maybe its about time we pushed for a 2 week lockdown, a full proper lockdown, as hard as we can go.

THEN, when it makes sod all difference, we can kindly ask the government to stop doing them, as they don't work. Perhaps thats why they're reluctant, because if it makes sod all difference then they're screwed

Is two weeks long enough? We're possible looking at a six week lockdown here in Ireland from tomorrow. The virus is rampant here at the minute, moreso in the north. First time round it was a friend of a friend of a friend who had it. Now it's a lot closer to home, in my case my sister has tested positive. She's very fatigued and can't taste, but otherwise ok. Local barber, barman, it's rampant and we all need to step up and act responsibly.

Well, if schools/uni were all closed as well i.e. as suggested above, a full proper lockdown, then two weeks should be enough to make a statistical difference. Enough to prove the point.

[Ructions]

leef44 said:

Ructions said:

skinnyman said:

Maybe its about time we pushed for a 2 week lockdown, a full proper lockdown, as hard as we can go.

THEN, when it makes sod all difference, we can kindly ask the government to stop doing them, as they don't work. Perhaps thats why they're reluctant, because if it makes sod all difference then they're screwed

Is two weeks long enough? We're possible looking at a six week lockdown here in Ireland from tomorrow. The virus is rampant here at the minute, moreso in the north. First time round it was a friend of a friend of a friend who had it. Now it's a lot closer to home, in my case my sister has tested positive. She's very fatigued and can't taste, but otherwise ok. Local barber, barman, it's rampant and we all need to step up and act responsibly.

Well, if schools/uni were all closed as well i.e. as suggested above, a full proper lockdown, then two weeks should be enough to make a statistical difference. Enough to prove the point.

The National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) have reccommended a six week lockdown. Unfortunately our government are passing the buck and trying to introduced half arsed measures. I'd be happy with a 6 week lockdown and see where we go from there.
Two weeks isn't enough in my opinion.